Re: [IxDA Discuss] A New Browser: Google Chrome

2008-10-05 Thread Gilbert Corrales
have any of you guys tested IE8? I've been playing with it lately among the latest builds of Safari and Chrome and got to say that I am impressed on how far they have got from IE7... with that said I've found that there would be some work to be done to get to into a Standards world, but with all t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] why the hate-on User-centered Design? (was Re: practice vs. discipline & roles vs. people

2008-10-05 Thread Kontra
> So why the backlash? Because there's more to design than just the user. > It feels like a backlash against love songs, sandwiches or democracy. There are horrible love songs, revolting sandwiches and atrocities committed in the name of democracy. -- Kontra http://counternotions.com __

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A New Browser: Google Chrome

2008-10-05 Thread Kontra
> But by that logic, even though Firefox and Opera and Safari have obtained > significant pieces of the market, they are not "successful" either, because > IE is still around and prominent. In case it wasn't obvious, the point is to "dismantle Internet Explorer" (as you put it) not to get rid of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Norman
Brett said >> In my personal opinion, I don't see developers having the savvy interpersonal passion to link hearts with clients to see their (the client's) vision come to pass. Where I work the Agile teams are not in practice working with customers. The prod manager shows a mid-stream version

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Acuity Corp
Will, A little "collateral damage" during that hunting trip would be beneficial to everyone using these distortions. I'd ask that Cheney also take Paulson along on the trip. The propaganda tactics continued this week with threats of imminent unmitigated financial ruin and martial law unless $700

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Acuity Corp
They know about Alan Cooper and Inmates. I've given persona training to prod managers at the company so they believe there is something there. This tells me that people without sensitivity towards design will doom design. Alan Cooper's hardline sentiment is right, there is a war in a sense betwee

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Kontra
> Capture & define the user's _workflow_ > > 'Prove' you're an interaction designer by _understanding your > audience_ (external and internal). Differentiate yourself from the > role of developer by advocating 'solutions' over 'features'. > Those are caricatures: none of this stuff is beyond the a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Since you all be my peeps - I wanted to share THIS news

2008-10-05 Thread Erin Malone
congrats david - a very good friend of mine from graduate school teaches there in the graphic design program - joseph digioia - also originally from the NYC area. he loves it! say hi when you get there and good luck. erin . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Post

Re: [IxDA Discuss] why the hate-on User-centered Design? (was Re: practice vs. discipline & roles vs. people

2008-10-05 Thread Jared Spool
I think the problem is that UCD means whatever people want it to mean. And that's often, "You're not doing things the way I think they should be done, so you're not doing UCD." Personally, my argument is that we've never been able to define it with any rigor and, therefore, it quickly becom

[IxDA Discuss] why the hate-on User-centered Design? (was Re: practice vs. discipline & roles vs. people

2008-10-05 Thread Christina Wodtke
Lately a lot of senior folks seem to be railing on user-centered design. Now, I thought UCD was the idea of putting the users in the center of the design choices. To do that, you can do it with a bunch of methodologies, or visit the users in their native habitat then keep them in mind later, or inv

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A New Browser: Google Chrome

2008-10-05 Thread Jim Drew
On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:28 AM, Kontra wrote: Do they have to completely dismantle Internet Explorer in order to be successful..? Absolutely. IE has been a cancerous blot on the web for about half a decade, impeding standardization and innovation in browsers. Once enjoying 95% dominance, it'

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Andreas Ringdal
Do you want to remain at this company? Another approach might be to start your own business and ask them to hire your new company to handle their overall deign strategy. If you want to start you own business this might help you get started. Andreas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design Books

2008-10-05 Thread M Matty
Thanks, Andrei, for the wonderful list, and to others for the great additions: ! Here are a few suggestions; IMHO, an in-depth understanding of color and typography is critical to information design in any medium: Joseph Albers: The Interaction Of Color http://www.amazon.com/Interaction-Color-Expa

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread M Matty
Speak to an attorney - employment law varies by state, and a lawyer can give you the best advice about how to proceed. Keep in mind that quitting vs. getting laid off because your position is no longer viable can mean the difference between getting severance, unemployment, maybe paid benefits for a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Brett Lutchman
Norman: "Advice on how I might "prove" that interaction design and developer is not the same role if this ever gets to court." Norman, whatever the outcome, be prepared for a blessing in disguise. The first thing that stands out to me in regards to the differences between an interaction designer a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] practice vs. discipline & roles vs. people

2008-10-05 Thread Jared Spool
On Sep 27, 2008, at 4:18 AM, Nick Gassman wrote: On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:32:30 -0400, Jared wrote: And it's often overlooked by the foundations of the discipline. How do you identify the excellent within the field? How do you extract what makes them excel? How do you teach those elements to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Advice? Dismissal over "no more design"

2008-10-05 Thread Will Evans
And now for a constructive answer after having gotten my snarky answer out of my system. Clearly they are moving in a direction that does not value UCD, and they think developers can magically gain the skills, methods, and processes necessary to design good applications without designers - they ar

[IxDA Discuss] Article in Today's New York Times on Design and Design Thinking

2008-10-05 Thread Chauncey Wilson
Today's Sunday New York Times has an article on design and design thinking. It is accessible at: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/business/05unbox.html?_r=1&ref=business&oref=slogin (Note, you might have to have a subscription to this read) A few quotes from the article by Janet Rae-Dupress (Oc

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Design Books

2008-10-05 Thread Andreas Ringdal
A few books I missed from the list. Donald A. Norman. "The design of everyday things". It is 20 years old and still relevant. I re-read it a few months ago, glanced down at our office phone system and laughed. http://www.amazon.com/Design-Everyday-Things-Donald-Norman/dp/0385267746 And for dis

Re: [IxDA Discuss] best practices: integration of tools within a content site

2008-10-05 Thread Nick Gassman
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:04:11 -0400, Lis wrote: >What I'm looking to do is put together a list of best practices for >integrating supporting tools into the content portion of a site. For >instance let's say I'm trying to plan for college and I go to a college >planning site (not sure one like this