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> And if ya look at the history of Apple, you can see that is > exactly what they've done. Cuil is not much more than a concept product, not terribly mindful of real-life constraints in competing against Google. While Apple is certainly peerless in packaging technology into products people want t

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Hello, cloud computing. On Aug 7, 2008, at 7:36 AM, Alexis Brion wrote: Well, the web browser is becoming so important that maybe it should become an even more relevant part of the OS. Or maybe it should become "the" OS. It could also work the other way round, the OS becoming nothing more than

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The contraption they have for a mouse could cause some 'gorilla arm' issues, but there are other 3D input devices that work fine - anyone played a Wii? The second and third videos don't show all the different contexts the mobile device could get used in, but I think something really interesting li

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the lines are definitely blurring, but I believe that OS providers do so because they want to take advantage of their proximity tot he OS code in their task oriented applications, that put them at an advantage to other vendors who aren't creating OS. Further, MOST of an OS has little to do with UI,

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Well, the web browser is becoming so important that maybe it should become an even more relevant part of the OS. Or maybe it should become "the" OS. It could also work the other way round, the OS becoming nothing more than a web browser... Alex . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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to the point about the "web browser". Is AIR just an "invisible" web browser to specific data points or applications? Try to be flexible in your response. What I mean to say is that you are right and wrong. I don't think the OS is the right place to do what you are thinking, but the appearance of

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Looks sharp -- just what I'd like to imagine for a Semantic Web desktop. Could be done by clicking and dragging RDF named-graphs, in which case the API for all the apps and files would be already standardized (assuming there would be RDF behind the scenes). Bravo! ~valeska o'leary > Also, he

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I think the demo was fine. But what I'd like to question is the necessity of a "browser" in the first place. From all the tasks that were demonstrated, the browser was acting like the OS, except for all things online. Why not just get back to the real issues at hand and think about doing away wi

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On the one hand, I would want to say that the concept isn't at all about the mouse - it's about the browser. The mouse is just there to look futuristic - so although discussions about input devices are interesting, they're not at all related to the main idea of this video. On the other hand, since

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What David said. I think as a group we could really put a lot more work into supporting and recognizing the work that goes into some of the things this list is so ready to dissect... to be more supportive as an international team but it's late, so I will step down off this box. In lieu of my s

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I have a question about everyone's "gorilla arm" concern. Is web browsing (the primary thing we are talking about here) a sovereign activity like say composition? Or let me be more precise, unlike say photoshop which is about 90% mouse control, does web browsing really require the same percentage o

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When we've finally perfected a touchscreen that can incorporate the users ability to "reach in" and "pull out" I think we're in business. One of the most compelling things I found about the Aurora experience was the (for lack of a better term) 'intuitive' incorporation of the 'z axis' which, appar

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There was a logitech mouse that did just this. When you rolled over links, window borders or other "known" targets it would "thump" as you put it. It was geared towards people who were visually impaired. I tried it and after an hour, I turned off the feedback. While game console feedback is immer

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> Go buy/borrow a modern game console and check out the various "rumble" > and "shock" controllers. It really does make a significance difference > in gameplay. yes, of course! I'm not a console gamer, but you're right - like the steering consoles that rumble/shake when you "drive" over rough ter

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Evan K. Stone wrote: [tangent] One thing I found interesting is that on a USB-based DJ controller I recently purchased, I can configure it so that it receives MIDI messages that cause indicator lights to turn on this just got me thinking about other physical (haptic?) controllers that not onl

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> i'm saddened that this application relies on some crazy > unconventional mouse that no person would ever have in their home. hmmm... I didn't get the sense that the application necessarily *relied* on it, but that the application could interpret input from alternate controllers should you feel i

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re: aurora i'm saddened that this application relies on some crazy unconventional mouse that no person would ever have in their home. how about touchscreen considering gestures are on the way in... not huge industrial mouse-like controllers was any of that even considered for this? re: touchsmart

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I'm a little disappointed that the mouse-like controller for Aurora was seemingly industrial and not very fitting for a home-based setting contrast that with the entirely touch-based mobile device... it starts to make Aurora look like old news, not the future. This Aurora video was reliant on a

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On 5 août 08, at 16:52, Drausio Very innovative!!! They are using a "novint falcon" in the video demo. Http://home.novint.com/products/novint_falcon.php Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to th

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Very innovative!!! They are using a "novint falcon" in the video demo. Http://home.novint.com/products/novint_falcon.php Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsu

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Also, here are some more detailed documents about the concepts and interface design: Dan Welcome to the Interaction Design Association

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I surely don't want to detract from the bigger picture of the concepts behind the app. Aside from the controller there are some really great ideas presented here. Part 2 has been released of the presentation, which focuses completely on a small mobile device and its experience. I particularly lik

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Shaun Bergmann wrote: (however yes, the repetitive strain injuries yet to be discovered are going to be fun to watch for) Why are those 3d/space balls always sitting way forward on someone's desk? Why not beside the chair, or held in the lap like a game controller? In the dark ages I tried

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> (however yes, the repetitive strain injuries yet to be discovered are going > to be fun to watch for) ...that was the first thing I thought of when I saw her using the arm device. yikes. ///eks Welcome to the Interaction Design A

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I like the production value of the piece. Most of the concepts exist already, from shotgun menus to navigating a dimensional space. But putting them together with visual quality enables people to invision a potential future. It reminds me of the Sun Starfire video from wayback. Where I found it la

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That would be interesting, because I'm assuming the robo-arm ball they are currently using works much like the Novint Falcon: navigation through the 3D space is achieved by pushing away and pulling toward the user. The two-finger pinch and spread pattern that Microsoft Surface uses to "zoom in and

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I wonder what it would be like to demo this on an HP TouchSmart or similar type multi-touch/direct action desktop device, as opposed to a moused-system like this one. I'm not sure I agree with all of Stews complaints because it is very unclear from the video the full interaction design model. .

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Some quick thoughts.. There's some strong ideas in here. The concept of presentation views is good and the collaboration works well. Where it is weak is in the actual interface. There is simply too much competing on the screen to make this a strong interface from user experience point of view. Dem

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Also see Andy Rutledge's commentary on their vision for the New York Times of 2018: http://www.andyrutledge.com/times-new-omen.php#fragment-5 I thought the concept of simple audio navigation was interesting. Saying "politics" will take you to articles related to politics, and so forth. This is

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>* Was that some new user input device I saw on her left there? Looked like a 3D mouse that I can only >guess would facilitate the pulling, pushing, lifting, dropping interactions that were alluded to. Or >maybe it was just that thing from *Flight of the Navigator*? :) Looks like the Novint Falc

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The bigger point here is that this is part of a CFP from Mozilla Labs for contributions from designers for whom the normal open source contribution channels are a bit challenging: http://labs.mozilla.com/2008/08/introducing-the-concept-series-call-for-participation/ This is an interesting chan

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I think Aurora looks pretty darn cool. Whoever that guy was on the other end, it reminded me of somebody on *Prarie Home Companion*. Very folksy and friendly. Nice touch. :) I was surprised by a few things that I'd love to hear the thinking behind. I do get that this is about dreaming of the fu

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I am most interested in/excited about the semantic analysis for clustering around shared concepts. On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:12 AM, David Malouf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to say there are so many elements I like about this concept and > it is only part 1 of the video. > Kudos to Jesse Ja

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I have to say there are so many elements I like about this concept and it is only part 1 of the video. Kudos to Jesse James Garrett and the rest of the AP design team on Aurora. Check out the demo video of their browser concept video. http://adaptivepath.com/aurora/ -- David Malouf http://synap