Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

The transportation isn't what seems so insane - it's the conference fee. In the current economic climate most companies can't put in $20k to send a team, and most individuals probably have stiff questions about how that $5k would fit in their personal budgets. If the conference fee were more like

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

Thank you for your engagement and many serious and sometimes humorous points. OK, here we try to answer some of the questions: IS THIS GENIUS DESIGN? We know that a good and realistic prototype of a system with all the background research etc. can't be done in two days. Therefore we will provide a

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On Feb 12, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Will Evans wrote: So that is her argument. Smart little lady you got there, Sir. Will. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. -- Contact Info Voice: (215) 825-7423

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When I described this entire thread to my brilliant significant other - who just won an award for the redesign of a major society non-profit (Mazel Tov! to her), and her take is that the legitimate arguments tend to be: 1. Not everyone has/can/wants to spend $5k to go - and thats a fair arg

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200 people $5000 = $1,000,000 You could probably get a heckuva nice Senate seat in an under-developed political state. Better yet: What world probably could you solve with $1MM? Just a thought. Or we could invest in DTDT across all of the disciplines. We might need some more money, th

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

I think $5,000 worth of chocolate chip cookies would go a lot farther to promote peace than a website, but perhaps I'm naïve. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=38434 _

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I see your two words and give you one: RAMBO . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=38434 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (I

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On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Andrew Boyd wrote: Two words: Chuck Norris ;) Now we're getting somewhere! Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe

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On Feb 11, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: Much more specific. But then again, we know the real goal for the event is to try to kill IA. Or a polar bear. Or maybe it was Jesse James Garrett. Ah, the man in black. I always suspected there was something special about *him*. ___

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

> > "Contribute" to, not "bring about". Key difference. No website will ever > bring it about, but we can all certainly contribute to it. > Specifically, the site says you'll work towards "creating a prototype for a web system with the goal of creating dialogue between people under and after a con

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> > My god, the very *premise* of the challenge is patently absurd: let's build > a website/application to bring about world peace! > "Contribute" to, not "bring about". Key difference. No website will ever bring it about, but we can all certainly contribute to it. -r- ___

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> > I'm still trying to figure out why it needs to be a website. That seems > also pretty limiting, assuming a lot of the people that could be reached may > not have web access (!!!). > Me, too. But then, it's about "contribute to world peace and reconciliation", and there's definitely some potent

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

Okay, that was brilliant ~ will "Where you innovate, how you innovate, and what you innovate are design problems" Will Evans | User Experience Architect tel: +1.617.281.1281 | w...@semanticfoundry.com http://blog.s

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It sounds like the key UX Challenge here is Affordance. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines .

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On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Will Evans wrote: > > You forgot the key ingredient: > > > Christopher Walken > > And his key ingredient: cowbell c a s e y e d g e t o n - Interaction Designer | http://www.designasaurusrex.com cedge...@gmail.com | casey.edge

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On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Jared Spool wrote: On Feb 11, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Christian Crumlish wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: And as far as the "extreme" aspect goes, sure it's in the Arctic, but that fact doesn't make the challenge any more challengi

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

On Feb 11, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Christian Crumlish wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: And as far as the "extreme" aspect goes, sure it's in the Arctic, but that fact doesn't make the challenge any more challenging. It's not like you'll be bolting together mac

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

On Feb 11, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Andrew Boyd wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Jared Spool wrote: On Feb 11, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: Sponsorship. Sponsorship. Sponsorship. (Playing devil's advocate.) Make a case for this. What would a sponsor get out of the deal?

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Touche Gabby, Thank you for the slap in the face. I think I was just starting where Robert did. Dan seems to have a similar response. "A Web Site"? Oy! -- dave . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=38434

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

So I take it you will *not* be watching the Olympics :-) The carbon footprint and hubris behind a bunch of pampered, drugged-up athletes getting million dollar deals while the world goes to war and Al Gore racks up billions of pounds in carbon emissions flying around the globe selling green

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

I find it deeply amusing that the price and the logistics of attending are what people find unbelievable. My god, the very *premise* of the challenge is patently absurd: let's build a website/application to bring about world peace! Talk about first world privilege obliviousness. My god. . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Caroline Jarrett wrote: Isn't this also an example of 'genius design' at its worst? The basic premise of the competition is that they want a web site that will help to bring peace to an area of conflict - but they are going to do it by locking designers into a

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nice idea... we could follow what they used to do at the college of surgeons in dublin... 1/3 from developed countries 1/3 Ireland 1/3 from developing countries In essence those with paid for those without. I'm sure they could work out an inclusive formula __ Catríon

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Great! Ok, this Adobe, Omnigraffle sponsorship really only makes sense if you have an us vs. them competition, where you have Adobe Tools vs. Microsoft tools, or Mozilla sponsors a team dedicated to purely open sources tools (or Sun, b/c they have OpenOffice). Which was the original point of car s

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Will mentioned several products like OmniGraffle, Adobe Illustrator, Fireworks, etc. Perhaps Adobe, OmniGroup, and other "tool" folks would like to sponsor the overall event? At least to cover travel and entry for people who do not have the necessary means for the necessary means for participating.

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On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Jared Spool wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: > > Sponsorship. Sponsorship. Sponsorship. >>> >>> >> (Playing devil's advocate.) Make a case for this. What would a sponsor get >> out of the deal? >> > > Well, the constant ESPN cover

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On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: >> > And as far as the "extreme" aspect goes, sure it's in the Arctic, but that > fact doesn't make the challenge any more challenging. It's not like you'll > be bolting together machinery out in the cold, bracing wind — you'll be > using

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> > Do it at the bottom of the ocean! > > Or on the surface of the sun! Or in the back seat of a Volkswagon Beetle. (Mall Rats joke. Sorry. Had to be done.) -r- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

On Feb 11, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Will Evans wrote: it's about contributing And that's why I'm interested. Well, that and the celebrity ESPN photos ;). Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. --

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I have started to open up some of my wireframe designs, interaction models, concept models and task flows over the past month, and plan to be doing a lot more of that because I see a real lack of deliverables being shown/highlighted in the community. Truth is that most is locked behind NDAs

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One of my heroes is fellow Irishman Ernest Shackleton... His Antarctic expedition back in 1901-04 is legendary and made me go there. However I went on a commercial expedition ship but want to return to do Shackleton's trip and with an altruistic purpose. When I did some work for Burberry a

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> > You kidding me? Can you imagine the prestige of sponsoring the winning team > at an extreme challenge like this? It's like sponsoring the first balloon or > boat to make it around the world. Or the first spaceship to the moon or > Mars. This is extreme in so many ways it's not even funny. > Th

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On Feb 11, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: (Playing devil's advocate.) Make a case for this. What would a sponsor get out of the deal? You kidding me? Can you imagine the prestige of sponsoring the winning team at an extreme challenge like this? It's like sponsoring the first

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

On Feb 11, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: Sponsorship. Sponsorship. Sponsorship. (Playing devil's advocate.) Make a case for this. What would a sponsor get out of the deal? Well, the constant ESPN coverage and the celebrity photo shoot with supermodels is what interests m

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Jay Morgan wrote: Todd wrote: "Part of the challenge is getting there." I left that out of my other message, but this was another part of it. There are barriers to getting there. There are barriers to entering. There are barriers to participating. The playa would be much cheaper and more challe

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> > Sponsorship. Sponsorship. Sponsorship. > (Playing devil's advocate.) Make a case for this. What would a sponsor get out of the deal? -r- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@

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Todd wrote: "Part of the challenge is getting there." I left that out of my other message, but this was another part of it. There are barriers to getting there. There are barriers to entering. There are barriers to participating. It is a challenge on multiple levels. I think it's even been a chall

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On Feb 11, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Scott McDaniel wrote: (Of course, the standard answers are valid: time, money, will, etc.) Sponsorship. Sponsorship. Sponsorship. Part of the challenge is getting there. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Informatio

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> > What is stopping anyone unable and unwilling to go and engage in what > this conference has to offer from producing their own solutions? > I can answer for myself. I work on socially-conscious/responsible projects all the time because my company offers a discount on t

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On 11 Feb 2009, at 16:01, Jared Spool wrote: On Feb 11, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Caroline Jarrett wrote: Isn't this also an example of 'genius design' at its worst? The basic premise of the competition is that they want a web site that will help to bring peace to an area of conflict - but they a

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On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Caroline Jarrett wrote: > Jorge: >> >> $5k per person in huge -- if you live/work in the "developed" markets. >> For those of us in less developed countries, it is simply unrealistic. >> >> A shame, too -- if the objective really is to "bring forth a web >> concep

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On Feb 11, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Caroline Jarrett wrote: Isn't this also an example of 'genius design' at its worst? The basic premise of the competition is that they want a web site that will help to bring peace to an area of conflict - but they are going to do it by locking designers into a

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Jorge: > > $5k per person in huge -- if you live/work in the "developed" markets. > For those of us in less developed countries, it is simply unrealistic. > > A shame, too -- if the objective really is to "bring forth a web > concept that will contribute to world peace and reconciliation", > maki

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On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Will Evans wrote: > 5K per person is huge $5k per person in huge -- if you live/work in the "developed" markets. For those of us in less developed countries, it is simply unrealistic. A shame, too -- if the objective really is to "bring forth a web concept that w

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My personal take is that this is such a unique event, that I am working with a few folks to assemble a team - and we have all started saving for it - your right though - 5K per person is huge - but for me and my team, we think its worth it. ~ will "Where you innovate, how you innovate, and

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Robert asked:"Who do these people think they are?" I believe the perspective of the Arctic Challenge is: "Who do you think you are?"...Given that you enter and must be selected. And, "Are you good enough to compete?"...Given that it's an arctic competition, and the judges must be persuaded to selec

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Todd wrote: > Especially cool payoff if you sponsor, say, a Jamaican Bobsled team: > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106611/ I worked as a user experience designer in Jamaica for 3 weeks, do I qualify for the team? And I can spell "bacon" in Jamaican: "b-e-e-r-c-a-n!" :-) Peter "Sanka, you dead?" B

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...Erm could be worse I suppose; the world could be hampered by a global economic meltdown and the worse recession for about 75 years! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=38434 ___

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Guys, the reason to put a logo on a jacket is so the jacket gets exposure w/ or w/o winning. If the only way to get exposure is to win, then you want to do more than sponsor a "random" team. You want the team to be PART of you. You want credit, i.e. you want the team to be in your employ! -- dave

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Especially cool payoff if you sponsor, say, a Jamaican Bobsled team: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106611/ - Nasir Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe ...

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

Imagine sponsoring a team at the inaugural UX Challenge. That sponsor could promote the event along w/UX Challenge. It's a win win. On Feb 10, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: Great idea! Though, I think sponsors prefer to somehow benefit from the deal. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfe

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That came up at Ixd09. It's a fantastic sponsorship opportunity. On Feb 10, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Jared Spool wrote: Sponsorship! Team jackets with logos! This is the NASCAR of UX. Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.

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> > Sponsorship! Team jackets with logos! > > This is the NASCAR of UX. > Great idea! Though, I think sponsors prefer to somehow benefit from the deal. Regardless, the Miskeeto logo sure would look great on one of those satin jackets. ;) -r- __

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On Feb 10, 2009, at 3:12 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: In short, assuming $1,000 for airfare to Oslo (from the USA), it would cost close to $20,000 to send a team of five people to the UX Challenge. And this is for an event you have to qualify for to even attend in the first place. Sponso

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Just be sure to take off your shoes whenever you enter a shop in Longyearbyen, the capital of Svalbard! I never would have learned that had I not seen that link. Thanks, Robert! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/di

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Might be a way to weed out people. Perhaps you could contact them regarding offering some scholarships. I've already assembled a team and will be attending (if we get accepted), but realize that it's not accessible to everyone. Perhaps future years will be more affordable. On Feb 10, 2009

[IxDA Discuss] The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

Looks like the UX Challenge organizers changed a few details along the way. >From the site : - There's a conference fee of $2,000 per person - The hotel is not included — it's $450 per person for four nights - Contrary to what is implied on another

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Well, it looks like getting there may be part of the challenge... On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: > Looks like the UX Challenge organizers changed a few details along the way. > >From the site : > > - There's a conference fee o

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Yeah... but there's polar bears! On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote: > Looks like the UX Challenge organizers changed a few details along the way. > >From the site : > > - There's a conference fee of $2,000 per person > - The ho