Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-29 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Dec 29, 2007, at 6:31 AM, dave malouf wrote: > Having worked for a technology leader for the last year, I > really see how thinking about technology first and foremost (must > create patent) really leads the design direction into weird > spaces/places. I agree whole heartedly with this. It's

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-29 Thread P Maher
Hi Dave, Thanks, for the tips. I am really looking for a course in Europe but I like your idea of just being the interaction designer. Not many apps with interaction in my group but am not adverse to changing to another group which does. If anyone knows of such a course in europe please let me kn

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-29 Thread dave malouf
The short answer to your question is "YES!!!". There is so much need for people doing hardware design to be thinking about what they do from the perspective of user behavior and context of use. Having worked for a technology leader for the last year, I really see how thinking about technology firs

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread P Maher
Hi all, I have recently discovered IxD as a discipline and I am very interested in it. I am an electronic engineer(Msc) with 5 yrs Industy experience in design,research and management. My question is: Is there any room for electronic engineers in IxD? My background is digital design (System on C

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread Phil Chung
"Exactly. Is ego fulfillment worth the $20-40k? If I were single, maybe. If a lateral move would result in a significant pay raise, maybe. But the truth is that an IxD with enough experience, these days, is so in demand that this huge pile of cash may not be a wise investment." I'm under 30 and

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread Robert Hoekman, Jr.
> Any one else encounter the glass ceiling? What did you do? I may have hit, or at least encroached, the glass ceiling for Phoenix, but for me, the decision to start my own firm came from the realization that by joining another company, I'd become an anonymous cog in the machine. Instead of aband

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread Susanne Furman
HI all Thanks to Eva. I work in an environment that anyone who 'thinks' they know how to do usability claims the title. People with BAs in English. NOW - I can rewire my switch plates in my house - but I will never claim to be an electrician!!! What this causes is little respect for the disclipine

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread Christian Beck
Robert's point is well-taken: "They said a Usability Specialist does design work. After that discussion last week, I'm surprised no one jumped on this." That was my initial reaction as well. In my graduate coursework in HCI, we were taught usability techniques. However, I don't consider myself a U

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread Fred Beecher
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:38:59, dave malouf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Graduate education is really such a personal decision. I think Dan and > Eva outlined all the great reasons there can be for doing it. Then > there is just taking that time to explore things for yourself. Doing > a thesis at a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Dec 28, 2007, at 12:33 PM, William Evans wrote: > Any one else encounter the glass ceiling? What did you do? There's not really a glass ceiling in this field yet, in large part due to the fact that the field can't even define what it is that we do with any consistency, much less what we do

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread William Evans
Dave, You bring up an interesting point about the glass ceiling in the design/IxD/IA fields - you get to a point where you either start mentoring and managing and Not designing - or stay in the same position and be happy or ??? What? Start your own firm? Try and compete with some of the gr

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread dave malouf
Graduate education is really such a personal decision. I think Dan and Eva outlined all the great reasons there can be for doing it. Then there is just taking that time to explore things for yourself. Doing a thesis at a program like ITP or an ID masters can be quite a cathartic and well self fulfi

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread Phil Chung
ime for in the real-world.. like the Google search engine. http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html Phil - Original Message From: Dan Saffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IxDA Discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:01:38 PM Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News th

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread Dan Saffer
On Dec 28, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Eva wrote: > I found that what I got from my Master's degree was quite different > than > what I've gotten from work experience. It gave me a theoretical > framework > to base my decisions on, and to better persuade others. And yes, it > helps > with job choic

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread Eva
On Dec 27, 2007 2:11 PM, Fred Beecher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's the thing that gets me... if you've got 8+ years of experience a > master's program isn't going to teach you much that you haven't already > experienced in the real world. At least that's the case for the programs > I've c

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-28 Thread Peter Boersma
Robert wrote: > 2) They said the median salary is over $98,000. I don't remember any salary > survey saying the median was anywhere near this high. Did I miss something? The 2007 Salary Survey by the Information Architecture Institute (http://iainstitute.org/en/learn/research/salary_survey_2007.p

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-27 Thread Desiree McCrorey
Fred Beecher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (But yeah, $98k as a median is ridiculous... in Minneapolis, $98k will get > you a UXP manager with 10+ years of UXP experience and maybe a few years > management experience as well... of course, Minneapolis is not NYC or SF) I suspect places like Silicon

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-27 Thread Dmitry Nekrasovski
Looks like that bit of advice is already being taken to heart - two of the top tags for this article on del.icio.us are "pay" and "salary"... Dmitry On Dec 27, 2007 5:19 PM, Robert Hoekman, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And hey, maybe the in-house people here can use it as leverage for > ne

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-27 Thread Robert Hoekman, Jr.
> I, for one, am not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. > Considering how few people actually know what we do, having our > profession featured so prominently in US News is an unequivocal win. And hey, maybe the in-house people here can use it as leverage for negotiating better salaries. :)

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-27 Thread Paul Nuschke
Well said. I'd also add that location makes a big difference in salary figures, and there are a lot of UX jobs in NYC and SanFran. Regardless, you'd think that anyone serious about the field would find a better salary survey, such as the one UPA does every year, so that they know what to expect.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-27 Thread Eva
I, for one, am not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. Considering how few people actually know what we do, having our profession featured so prominently in US News is an unequivocal win. Am I surprised they didn't get it exactly right? Of course not. The people who wrote the article are no

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-27 Thread Chaitrali Dhole
Hello Chris, Thanks for bringing this article to the highlight on this forum. In India, this is a emergeing field in a nascent stage. We are more known as "Usability Engineers", than User Experience professionals, in the Indian market. Quite inspiring to know what the market holds for us.. Chaitra

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-27 Thread Benjamin Ho
Wow. What I'm surprised about are some people that communicate here like they have a constant chip on their shoulder! Knock one off and find another one on someone else. Don't expect the media to totally understand what we do. I don't. So feel free to get over it. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-27 Thread Fred Beecher
On 12/27/07, W Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > To get into the 90s - you best be fantastic - with over 8 years > experience, > and a masters in HCI or a related field > > At least that's the market in Boston. Here's the thing that gets me... if you've got 8+ years of experience a maste

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-27 Thread W Evans
Your right Robert - I was so F*&^ing pissed about the use of the term "Specialist" that I skipped over that. As I said before - in many agency/consulting environments - Specialist means something very specific - that is 1-4 years at the most in experience - and no masters degree with a median salar

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-27 Thread Robert Hoekman, Jr.
I'm most interested in these two points: 1) They said a Usability Specialist does design work. After that discussion last week, I'm surprised no one jumped on this. 2) They said the median salary is over $98,000. I don't remember any salary survey saying the median was anywhere near this high. Di

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-27 Thread Benjamin Ho
Reading the articles, they're a good starting point for those not knowing what the occupations really entails. It's a good thing USNews also placed resource links to more qualified information. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http:

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-24 Thread Desiree McCrorey
Chris Dame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I saw that US News recently ran an article on the "Best Careers of 2008" > This seems like a great sign that we are nearing the tipping point, along > with all of the good and bad things that come along with it. > > Personally, I was excited to see it and r

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-24 Thread Bryan Minihan
Unfortunately, I knew several such leaders in the network engineering and tech support fields, but can't recall any in web design/development (caveat: I haven't worked in an agency or big SW shop like SAP/IBM/MS, so can only speak for my enterprise and startup experience). On the other hand, I hav

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-24 Thread Bryan Minihan
for sharing, made my day =] Bryan http://www.bryanminihan.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Dame Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:48 PM To: discuss@lists.interactiondesigners.com Subject: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential! I've

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-24 Thread Jeff Seager
>"Science has a while before osmosis becomes >a viable business practice." Yep! I think your reservations about this article tie together some things others here have said in a different thread (or threads) in the last few days, Chris. Mark Schraad lamented the occasional disadvantages of compro

Re: [IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-24 Thread William Evans
My only bone to pick with them, well - one bone to pick is the use of "specialist" which in a narrow sense is a very specific title for people in our field with 1-3 years of expertise - or in the pejorative sense means someone who can 'only' do usabilty or UX. Specialization is for ants. Th

[IxDA Discuss] US News thinks we have potential!

2007-12-24 Thread Chris Dame
I saw that US News recently ran an article on the "Best Careers of 2008" (http://www.usnews.com/features/business/best-careers/best-careers-2008.html), and a new addition this year is "Usability/User Experience Specialist", which arguably we are. This seems like a great sign that we are nearing the