I've seen enough great reusable packages for Django.
I've also seen a lot of really bad packages and even have been forced to
use bad apps in production, that you should really either fork or hack in a
very strange way.
Some awesome packages:
- South https://pypi.python.org/pypi/South
- django
> Given this control flow let's try to do some of the typical
> modifications mentioned above:
> Authorization:
> Django has a beautiful mechanism for authorization, which is using
> decorators (@may_do_a_b_or_c) directly in the views.py.
> Tempting, but will not be modifyable in any way once you l
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Klaas van Schelven <
klaasvanschel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://djangocon.eu/ is going to be in the spring of 2011. Let's see
> how many of the "best of the bunch" are going to make it to
> Amsterdam :-)
>
>
Wanted to attend this year. Missed.
How was it?
-V-
>
> Sure. However, Djangocon 2010 finished a week ago, so you're going to
> have to wait until next year before we have the next serious
> opportunity to do this.
>
http://djangocon.eu/ is going to be in the spring of 2011. Let's see
how many of the "best of the bunch" are going to make it to
Amst
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Yo-Yo Ma wrote:
> Hey Russell,
>
> Do you think a round table discussion in a real person context with
> whiteboards and the best of the bunch (ie, at Django con or similar
> event) would be a good time/place to re architecture of the
> abstraction layers, perhaps
Hey Russell,
Do you think a round table discussion in a real person context with
whiteboards and the best of the bunch (ie, at Django con or similar
event) would be a good time/place to re architecture of the
abstraction layers, perhaps to address some of the concerns brought up
in the slide show
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Klaas van Schelven
wrote:
> On Sep 23, 2:01 am, Russell Keith-Magee
> wrote:
>
> So, we run into a few problems:
> * How do we extend the models from the original extendible
> application?
> For this to work, we need to provide hooks in the application for
> exten
On Sep 23, 2:01 am, Russell Keith-Magee
wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Klaas van Schelven
>
> wrote:
> >> I'm yet to see a genuine case of (a) -- every time I've seen (a), it's
> >> really masked version of (b), (c) or (d).
>
> > I disagree. I think there are very specific problems, t
On 9/22/2010 8:36 AM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
> Lastly, I can't deny that reusability has it's price. Engineering an
> application to be reusable takes more effort and planning than
> building an application as a once-off.
Well, Unix certainly came a long way with this philosophy
> The aim i
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Klaas van Schelven
wrote:
>> I'm yet to see a genuine case of (a) -- every time I've seen (a), it's
>> really masked version of (b), (c) or (d).
>
> I disagree. I think there are very specific problems, that has not
> been adressed by any of the responses above.
>
Thanks Russell Keith-Magee's comments. Very helpful.
I think the main question is still about the whole architecture.
I'm a WebObjects developer for many years. I think WebObjects' architecture
is great:
(1) EOModel: a set of propertyList files describes the mapping of database
tables to
sub
Ok, it actually turns out the above idea works. That is to say, with a
minimal amount of weird tricks (an empty models.py, plugging in some
app_labels in the right places).
Of course: without the tricks it would be even better.
http://bitbucket.org/vanschelven/extendible_app_experiment
A few note
> I'm yet to see a genuine case of (a) -- every time I've seen (a), it's
> really masked version of (b), (c) or (d).
I disagree. I think there are very specific problems, that has not
been adressed by any of the responses above.
Let's focus on one for now: how to extend models in any given app.
A
On Sep 21, 4:26 pm, "klaasvanschel...@gmail.com"
wrote:
> One thing that deserves extra stress is that apss should be easily
> extendable. Exactly the fact that every customer want something that
> is slightly different from the next is how we're able to provide
> value. (This is also the reaso
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Ramdas S wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Klaas van Schelven
> wrote:
>>
>> Shawn: thanks
>> Just started watching the video and I'm noticing my complaints are not
>> unique.
>>
>> > Wow! I guess your definition of an app and expectation of re-usuab
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:26 AM, klaasvanschel...@gmail.com
wrote:
> tl;dr
> * Django Apps Suck. Your reply explaining why they don't is expected.
> * Reuse of a lot of things doesn't suck. But the specific unit app,
> meaning a bunch of models that can be modified and presented with
> their model
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:48 AM, Klaas van Schelven <
klaasvanschel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shawn: thanks
> Just started watching the video and I'm noticing my complaints are not
> unique.
>
> > Wow! I guess your definition of an app and expectation of re-usuability
> > from an app written by some
Also at pycon-au http://glamkit.org/ where the talk focused on
reusability of apps.
On 22/09/2010 6:26am, klaasvanschel...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok here it goes: I don't have a proper platform for my observations /
rants so I figured I'd try my luck here. Django has been my favorite
framework for d
Shawn: thanks
Just started watching the video and I'm noticing my complaints are not
unique.
> Wow! I guess your definition of an app and expectation of re-usuability
> from an app written by someone else
> is fairly high!
Actually, a big part of the problem is reusing my own apps. Mostly
since
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:56 AM, klaasvanschel...@gmail.com <
klaasvanschel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok here it goes: I don't have a proper platform for my observations /
> rants so I figured I'd try my luck here. Django has been my favorite
> framework for developing web applications for about a ye
Just FYI, the videos from DjangoCon 2010 are already up on blip.tv.
The Python AV team was awesome.
Here's that talk:
http://blip.tv/file/4112452/
Shawn
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Ok here it goes: I don't have a proper platform for my observations /
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so it comes from a position of love when I say that the Django app
really sucks as a leve
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