e definition
Programlisting or screen or literallayout are common choices.
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is also not good idea.
Nope. I don't want to do that.
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I'd be delighted if another 100 folks would chime in.
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | and society, men
e somewhere?
They're surely in CVS in the defguide/en/build directory. But they're
not well documented, so you may have to ask for help.
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|> | Should I file an RFE?
|> Sure.
|
| Done:
| http://snurl.com/v2i
| (RFE 692319)
| (second try; first one disappeared)
Uhm, I think I moved it because I thoug
late it directly into another language without adding more markup
to make it more "semantic".
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http:
x27;t really close the issue. Paul was unable
to attend the January telcon where we initially made the decisions.
And he missed the February telcon too, so I guess this will come up
again this month.
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|> Yes, in the modern world there are several ways to deal with this. A
|> little Schematron embedded in your RELAX NG would probably be the
|> easiest way t
ilelistingsyntax="XML" (DocBook snippets etc)
|programlisting syntax="XML" (XSLT etc)
|screen syntax="XML" (eg in an editor)
|[more?]
|
| Should I file an RFE?
Sure.
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|> You have to use the sectN hierarchy if you want to control the section
|> depths used by your authors. For example, you could write a
|> customization lay
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[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml#sec-predefined-ent
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ |
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Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | effectually. With most men life is
gest that we add it to "phrase", but I think it might be
more appropriate to simply make it a common attribute. I don't see why
one might not wish to indicate that a paragraph or blockquote or even
a table should be in a specific direction.
minutes.
| Agenda
|
| 1. Roll call
Present:
Steve Cogorno, Sun Microsystems [1:20]
Dick Hamilton, HP
Scott Hudson, Sun Microsystems
Bob Stayton, Individual Member
Mike Smith, Individual Member
Norman Walsh, Sun Microsystems, Chair
Regrets:
Paul Grosso, Arbortext
Mark Johnson, Debian
Absent:
Nancy
rence pages:
http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/keywordset.html
http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/subjectset.html
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http://www.o
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|> / Alex Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
|> [...]
|>
|> Have you considered simply moving the m
.
| Thanks for any guidance you can provide.
That's my first thought, anyway :-)
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The skill of writing is to create
http://www.oasis
seems reasonable to me. I might use ,
if I was being really precise.
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Necessity may be the mother of
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ou show us an example of what you're trying to do?
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | thoughtful,
://www.docbook.org/ | DocBook: The Definitive Guide|
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enough to give it a markup of its own.
File an RFE. I think it's been discussed a few times, but perhaps it's
never been pushed through to conclusion.
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urn on section TOCs to list nested groups.
I think this is probably the best answer, for all the reasons Bob
outlines.
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|> Add a 'continuation' attribute with enumerated values "continues" and
|> "restarts"
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| Norman Walsh wrote:
|> / Camille Bégnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
|> | I was probably sleeping when TC discussed the new blockinfo element. I
|> | feel
If you allow section to be recursive at all, it's infinitely recursive.
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Mankind are always happy for
http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/
s added to DocBook in the first place.
So that customizers could limit users to a para element that didn't
allow block content.
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Klein bottle f
case were
linebreaks occur inside markup.
# telnet
i wasn't expecting a linebreak here
where you?
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Perhaps, but let's not get bogg
mber for that environment is one more than the
starting line number from the previous environment.
It is an error to specify both and startinglinenumber takes precedence.
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.
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Clearness is so eminently one of
http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | the characteristics of truth that
Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | of
class attribute with the same enumerated values.
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | different fingers.
Chair, DocB
Member
Norman Walsh, Sun Microsystems, Chair
Mark Johnson, Individual Member
Regrets:
Paul Grosso, Arbortext
Absent:
Michael Smith, Individual Member
| 2. Accepting the minutes[1] of the previous meeting
Accepted.
| 3. Review of the agenda
Charter update.
| 4. Review of open action items {5 min
t your chapter with a "here's
what we'll cover in this chapter", it belongs in the highlights.
Abstracts are not always presented, they're metadata. Highlights
aren't metadata, they're part of the chapter.
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originally. Because it was believed that some people would want, for example,
to restrict the metadata allowed on chapters and sections without
restricting it on books.
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ly write a
stylesheet to produce dc: RDF from the *info metadata in DocBook.
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | If we could read the secret
http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ |
hat we could cover the Dublin Core.
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | A book is like a garden carried in
http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | the pocket--(Arabic)
Chair, DocBo
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | undervalue others, and he that
Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | undervalues others will oppress
e by containment?
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | enjoy themselves, without harming
Chair, DocBook Technical Commi
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P.S. The TC didn't meet yesterday as planned due to failure on my part
to manage my schedule as effectively as I expected to. I'm hoping to
reschedule soon and get this RFE dealt with for you.
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good indexes are authored by hand. It's true
that in some documents most databases, filenames, etc., probably
appear in the glossary but it's not universally true that they all
should always appear there.
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are they really just
part of a function library, not that the distinction is necessarily
deep or clear.)
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h
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | selfish genes, blind physical
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eforge.net/tracker/?atid=423969&group_id=21935&func=browse
I do try to reply to the comments I get, but I'm sure I forget sometimes.
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k one of the
effectivity attributes, maybe UserLevel. For no particular reason.
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you from using the elements actual ID as it's context ID?
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | ba
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | ascend / The brightest heaven of
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| stage, princes t
tp://nwalsh.com/docbook/dsssl | DocBook DSSSL Stylesheets|
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++
Contact
If you have any questions or problems, please contact Nor
?
Try
java. org.apache.xalan.xslt.Process -in autolayout.xml -xsl
../xsl/chunk-tabular.xsl -PARAM output-root /path/you/want
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norm
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Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | remembered.--W. H. Auden
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would help
with the problem you described.
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | and some misfortunes so h
'link' or 'xref'?
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | nor anyone. No one to notice that
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| | attribute and enumerated valu
chema exist, or is it possible to modify the original one
Try the new V4.2 version. It's probably a lot better.
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s, but it would be quite
tricky.
And it would only work in browsers/FO renderers that had really good
support for relative positioning of objects.
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ess worthy of further
| discussion?
Uhm, I don't recall seeing it, actually.
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The public! The public! How many
http://www.oasis-open.org/docbo
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | happiness.--Jules Renard
Chair, DocBook Technical Committee |
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CO element in a number of other environments.
These callouts identify the
portions of the object described by this Callout.
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ntation
| for an emacs key sequence is (AFAICT) C-x C-c instead.
|
| comments?
Stylesheet bug. I think the markup is correct.
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keep this thread separate from the HTML tables
thread, which is certainly related.)
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[1] http://oasis-open.org/specs/tr9503.html
[2] http://oasis-open.org/specs/a502.htm
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s.
(I got swamped the last few weeks.)
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Consume less, share more.
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n the attribute instead of just a keyword, appeals to
me less, but if there's demand for it, I expect it'll get implemented
too.
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| still uses the (older, deprecated?) element
| for that.
|
| is it just that the example has not been brought into
| line with 4.2 usage?
Yes. Fixed locally.
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he documentation (locally, no checkins until I get
back home :-/)
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et of DocBook simply by removing the 'para'
element from the DTD.
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | In science, "fact" can only mean
http://www.oasis-open.
;ve just lost it (the answer, not my mind).
It means the processor is free to impose any "implied" semantics that
it wants. In this case, probably 'normal' spacing.
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| for 90 minutes.
|
| Agenda
|
| 1. Roll call
Steve Cogorno
Dennis Evans
Paul Grosso
Nancy Harrison
Scott Hudson
Bob Stayton
Norman Walsh
Regrets:
Dick Hamilton
Absent:
Sabine Ocker
Michael Smith
| 2. Accepting the minutes[1] of the previous meeting
Accepted.
| 3
numbering from
the previous listing?
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Chair, DocBook T
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| Norman Walsh said:
|> If you don't allow stepalternatives at the top level, you've made the
|> first step in a procedure different from all the other steps. I don't
|
ut that either.)
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | unfortunately it kills all its
Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | pupils.--Berlioz
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | ignorant today as you were a year
Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | ago.--Bernard Berenson
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her than inward.
That looks good to me, though I think I still favor having
step+|stepalternatives
at the top level, for logical consistency.
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| the marked-up content is from (for example, a program f
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|>| 6. Instance-based cross-reference text
|>
|>This is on the agenda for Paul to consider use cases. Unfortunately,
|>Paul is
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | reason.--Tom Paine
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| Agenda
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| 1. Roll call
Attendees
Dennis Evans
Dick Hamilton
Nancy Harrison
Sabine Ocker
Michael Smith
Bob Stayton
Norman Walsh
Regrets:
Paul Grosso
| 2. Accepting the minutes[1] of the previous meeting
Accepted.
| 3. Review of the agenda
Accepted.
| 4. Review of open
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|> Personally, I'm inclined to the middle course. To wit:
|>
|> * Add alternatives to procedure as I suggested previously:
|&
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[4] http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9643&group_id=21935
[5] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200207/msg9.html
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|> I'm trying to recap where we stand on this proposal.
|>
|> There seems to be general agreement that it's a good id
xpect it'll pass.
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | his existence by asking a question
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | lived long in order to see how
Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | short life is.--Schopenhauer
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Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | for individuals.--Goethe
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validation. This is possible using the XNI interfaces in Xerces, though
I don't know of any code that implements it that way (yet).
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Life always comes to a bad
http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | end.--Marcel Aymé
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | make of the mess we have made of
Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | things.--T. S
up this
early so I can do things like that :-)
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The irrational is not necessarily
http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | unreasonable.--Sir Lewis Namier
Chair, DocBook
No rush for me, just interested if someone has some pointers.
The short answer is, if you use the MathML module, you can use
in and .
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|
|>Carefully document his processing expectations. I mean, if you rely on
|> or or even with (or without) a role
|>attribute to give speci
The 'srccredit' attribute is for things like "Photo credit A.
Nonymous, 1976", not the alt text.
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e that down somewhere.
It'll save you hours of pain later when you give the document to
someone else to process and they use some different tools.
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ntly of the content model
of chapter sections.
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| * Norman Walsh; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 16 Oct, 2002 wrote:
|>I'm personally quite unhappy with this proposal as it's written. It
|
| me too with what I see below
;address" has not been declared
I think I've fixed all these problems. The results are checked into CVS;
I'll do another release next week.
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rkup is to make sure that the structure contains
enough information to drive the presentation you want.
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | All the good maxims already exist
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icating that the element
| "address" in website.dtd was undefined. Thinking that this might be
Hmm. How embarrassing. Apparently my customization layer is...uhm,
imperfect. I'll fix that :-)
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| DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 15 Oct 2002
| ===
|
| The DocBook Technical Committee met on Tuesday, 15 October 2002
| at
ly and you should get landscape pages.
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | If you understand: things are as
http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | they are. If you do not
Chair,
the right model is to have
several separate procedures.
But maybe not. Allowing stepalternatives as a child of procedure would
be more consistent, perhaps.
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s work?
...
...
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Norman Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Ambition, n. An overmastering
http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | desire to be vilified by enemies
Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | while living and
send it along soon. I expect
we'll consider this proposal next Tuesday.
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http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | to exercis
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