[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

@paddy-landau, i'm aware of that ppa but no package for utopic yet. unity version on utopic up to now is 7.3.1+14.10.20141016-0ubuntu1. fyi, the patch on https://github.com/chenxiaolong/Unity-for- Arch/tree/master/unity works :D -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of D

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

@rezzafri See comment #42 for a patch that already whitelists the systray. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974480 Title: Notification area

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

There is systray whitelist patch and other patches for arch here https://github.com/chenxiaolong/Unity-for-Arch/tree/master/unity, right now i am compiling for utopic with this patch -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubu

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Anton, the Skype package in the Ubuntu archives uses an application indicator via sni-qt. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974480 Title: Not

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

It is a bit of a mixture. Looking at my status bar (with hacked unity) I see an external (bought in) app - antivirus. Skype is sometimes quoted by others. I also see two internal icons, which are related to our internal compliance. I also have two IBM applications which are sold, and will try and

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Anton: I'm interested in understanding the situation a little better: 1. Internal applications originally targeting eg. GNOME 2, and you're now needing to run these under Unity. 2. Bought-in (external non-IBM) applications originally targeting eg. GNOME 2, and you're now needing to run thes

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

mpt, that doesn't seem to me a reason why we can't have a drop down area for legacy apps. Yes their behaviour will be unpredictable for Ubuntu but it would still work for legacy apps. I run a corporate repository for 6000 users and we are having to fix each unity version so our corporate apps w

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Vdragon, see my 2014-02-24 comment for why the notification area can't just be provided as an indicator. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/97448

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Hi, Is it possible to implement a indicator for a place for those legacy software icons? People may shut up if there's still a way to access them. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-p

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

@mtp, I have reported the most important (for me) applications in question and nothing has happened. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974480 T

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Paddy, no it doesn't mean anything in particular, for the reasons I gave you on January 6th. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974480 Title:

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

@mpt, you can explain all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that this has broken a valuable part of Ubuntu. Does not the chorus of complaints mean something to you? We know that we want the developers to make their changes, but some developers simply just don't care (I know, because I have t

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

varlesh, I published our reasons for removing the notification area four years ago. If the apps you list claim to work on Ubuntu but do not, please report bugs to the developers of those apps. -- You received this bug notification because y

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Liferea, Geary, Qutim, Venom and other necessary and good programs do not working as they should on Ubuntu 14.04. Why do you deprive users habits and why you trim features? Why? Everything worked fine before, why should all break??? I'm upset and disappointed! -- You received this bug notificati

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Folks, all words were said and you already know how your users hate you for this decision. You already know that users of Cryptkeeper, Audacious and many more have to rely on PPA because you broke what was working without any (even theoretical) advantage for them. But I'm soory frustrated after 12.

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Dear Mark, Since you are 'on' this thread...Please see this post from the perspective of some one who has been an unabashed fan of Ubuntu, Canonical and your personal investment into an open source OS with the aim of making it self sustaining ...all of which are noble goals and I fully apprecia

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

So, trusty is here and i'm desperately waiting for the ppa update -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974480 Title: Notification area whitelist

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Ed, as Paul Sladen explained in 2013-02-09, the notification area was basically a set of tiny windows: a program could put anything in its window, responding to clicks, right-clicks, double-clicks, drags, or anything else, and doing anything in response, including opening menus in any toolkit. As a

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Just wondering: Would it be possible to create a new Ubuntu component that makes use of the new indicator system ... to display stuff that would otherwise go the system tray? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Ma

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Thank you for your reply, Matthew. I have already contacted the most important of the apps in question, and while one of them was most helpful and has changed the package, the others have not even replied, such is their indifference. I had understood you to mean that I should raise a bug report on

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Paddy, yes, it may help to contact the developers of those applications -- though if they run their apps on Ubuntu at all, almost certainly they have realized by now that their notification area items don't show up by default. The Ubuntu Developer site has a reference for using the indicator syste

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Matthew, thank you for posting that link. It would have been useful if I had had it when I previously requested third party developers to modify their programs. It is notable that two of those developers have not even bothered to reply to me; clearly, they don't care about Ubuntu (they obviously kn

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Paddy, if you know of other popular runtimes that allow graphical applications with notification area elements to run on Ubuntu, where their developers are likely to be unaware of Ubuntu, please report those individually. (Anton's examples of C++ and Python don't fall into that category: they're ju

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Matthew, the last line reads, "… Java and Wine would be hard-coded as the only software still able to use the menu bar as if it was a notification area, because their developers don't necessarily know that Ubuntu even exists." You do realise that there are other developers who "don't necessarily k

Re: [Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Whereas my c++ and python developers also may not know that Ubuntu exists, so I am forced to use a PPA back port in a 6000 user corporate deployment as they have no plans to rework their code in the next 5 years. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Maxim, the reason for excepting Wine and Java is stated in the last line of the bug description. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974480 Title

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

@Stephen >Third-party software is free to implement the common specification or not. Should they choose to not implement it or use the functionality if available in their toolkit of choice, their software will not work well on Ubuntu or many of its flavours. We hope they would choose to work well

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

@Paddy Landau Not a single package in this bug is "broken" since they conform to the published status notifier specification, a common public specification developed through the freedesktop.org collaboration environment by a number of individuals representing various desktop toolkits, including bu

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

@bregama — "… rather than commenting on a fixed and released bug…" Fixed? How can you say "fixed"? This bug has broken packages, caused regressions, and fixed nothing whatsoever. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

@Stephen Thanks for the link. > design of one particular desktop environment that also happens to use code > that implements the specification which developed this specification, forcefully dropped support of previous specification with similar functionality and obviously lacking the direction

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

@Maxim Loparev Thank you for making the effort to improve the Ubuntu desktop. The status notifier specification is popular and mature enough that in the half-decade since it was first published, most desktop toolkits have implemented and integrated it. You can find excellent documentation, inclu

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Hey Mark, can you please comment on this. According to the origin of this bug "The application indicator system has been in place for two years now, which should be long enough for applications to adopt it." Ok, i asked one of the (Debian) developers to consider to support it in some tk app(so a

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Jason, thank you. We all appreciate your efforts. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974480 Title: Notification area whitelist is obsolete St

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Finally got around to updating to 13.10 and find my patch no longer works. As Maxim stated com.canonical.Unity.Panel is not being used. So, now my ppa just whitelists everything. Again, the ppa is here: https://launchpad.net/~timekiller/+archive/unity-systrayfix to use it, of course: sudo apt-a

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

@milos-sd That's empty autobuild according to the diff from saucy version https://launchpadlibrarian.net/155818257/unity_7.1.2%2B13.10.20131014.1-0ubuntu1_7.1.2%2B13.10.20131014.1-0ubuntu1systray1.diff.gz. The old patch can't be applied to the new sources, as it seems whole com.canonical.Unity.Pane

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

I installed Unity from unity-systray PPA on 13.10, but systray doesn't work. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974480 Title: Notification are

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Will you release packages for 13.10? :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974480 Title: Notification area whitelist is obsolete Status in Ay

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

@Rainer, I suggest that you raise a new bug. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974480 Title: Notification area whitelist is obsolete Status

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Skype no longer shows up in the indicator in 13.10, fresh install. Needless to say, Skype is actively running, I just can't get to it to control it without indicator... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Comment #84 : Sorry, Mark, I really thought that you no longer saw this thread. I take back comment #83. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/97448

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Mark, meanwhile what do you think about tcltk and JavaFX toolkits. Shouldn't they exists in Ubuntu universe? To be precise i'm talking about tkabber and davmail packages which broken by this amazing decesion for more than a year now. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

desperately waiting for timekillers PPA update since upgrade to 13.10 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974480 Title: Notification area white

Re: [Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Hello Paddy ;) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/974480 Title: Notification area whitelist is obsolete Status in Ayatana Design: Fix Relea

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Jason, Mark Shuttleworth does not receive comments from this bug. Please add comments and your vote to the bugs listed in comment #81. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https:/

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

To belatedly add my $0.02: I'm a user of Rackspace's backup product Jungle Disk (https://jungledisk.com/). They provide Jungle Disk binaries for Linux, even packaging them as DEBs, which has made it very convenient to use with Ubuntu. Unfortunately their software relies on a systray icon to provi

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

#80: Please go to the following bugs and vote for each of them (click on the green writing near the top-right of each page). It may be worthwhile posting any relevant comments in those bugs, where applicable. Also, raise a new bug report for each of Pidgin, Workrave and the other apps. Bug #11194

[Dx-packages] [Bug 974480] Re: Notification area whitelist is obsolete

Oop, they did it again - upgraded to 13.10 and my pidgin, workrave and other apps disappeared from the indicator area :-( -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of DX Packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. Matching subscriptions: dx-packages https://bugs.launchp