IEC 61000-4-5 Surge Lower Levels

2002-06-11 Thread w w
Thank you all for the feedback on lower levels for ESD. What an education! Without question, we certainly need to consider lower-levels to minimize ESD failures/issues in the field. How about Surge? Is it overkill performing lower levels? Should this only be considered for devices with gas tube a

RE: DOC "Assembled from tested components"

2002-06-11 Thread Peters, Michael
Hello Rocky, It could very well be that most (if not all) floppy drives have been certified and are labeled with an FCC ID (There probably haven't been any improvements in floppy drives that would warrant a recent new design). Do you see an FCC ID number on the product? TEAC's registration numb

RE: (off topic) Stirling cycle

2002-06-11 Thread Robert Wilson
Best use of a Stirling engine I have seen, was implemented by a friend of mine in Germany about 15 years ago. He added a miniature Stirling engine he had made (it could be held in one's hand) to his butane powered barbecue grill. The heat of the grill drove the Stirling engine, which in turn opera

Re: mains leads with integral ferrites

2002-06-11 Thread Lfresearch
Chris, I've made, in small quantities, mains leads with distributed ferrites. I did that to avoid the big clunky "wart" on the cable. Derek N. Walton Owner, L. F. Research EMC Design and Test Facility 12790 Route 76, Poplar Grove, IL 61065 www.lfresearch.com

RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD & 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-11 Thread Pommerenke, David
Dear Group, The physics of air discharge (= the reason for the variatins, the effect of humidity, speed of approach) is quite well explained in D. Pommerenke, 'ESD: Transient Fields, Arc Simulation and Rise Time Limit' , Journal of Electrostatics 1995 36 (1995), pp. 31 - 54 David Pommerenke

RE: DOC "Assembled from tested components"

2002-06-11 Thread John Juhasz
Rocky, While your message indicates that the FCC may not have a problem with the 'assembled from tested components' concept, it does not mean that the end-product will actually meet the limits. Poor routing of internal cables, insufficient grounding, just to mention a couple of items, can cause

RE: 1kW per square meter.......free

2002-06-11 Thread Andrew Carson
On this topic of oil consumption and the oil producers being opposed to Alternative energy sources, the following link gives a good break down of oil consumption and usage. http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/analysis_publications/oil_m arket_basics/Full_contents.htm A couple of interes

RE: DOC "Assembled from tested components"

2002-06-11 Thread Colgan, Chris
The prosecutions were for a little more than just CE + CE + CE. In the first case heard the company pleaded guilty but their defence lawyer claimed CE + CE = CE as mitigation. However, not all the sub assemblies were CE marked! In the second case, the manufacturer didn't even bother to produce

mains leads with integral ferrites

2002-06-11 Thread Colgan, Chris
Hello Can anyone send me details of manufacturers or suppliers of the above? Cheers Chris Colgan Compliance Engineer TAG McLaren Audio Ltd The Summit, Latham Road Huntingdon, Cambs, PE29 6ZU *Tel: +44 (0)1480 415 627 *Fax: +44 (0)1480 52159 * Mailto:chris.col...@tagmclaren.com * http://www.tagm

RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD & 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-11 Thread Neil Helsby
Further to my earlier email. The ESD test that we were undertaking was on a digital device. The ESD was direct discharge and at the voltage level of failure, about 3 out or 10 discharges were failing. Since device operation was dependent upon the data being received, it was considered that th

RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD & 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-11 Thread Charles Grasso
Hi - Quite a while ago, in the 80's I think W.M King published some papers that demonstrated the differences in the ESD waveforms in rise times as the voltage increased. So an ESD pulse of 2kV would occupy a wider spectral bandwidth than a 15kV pulse. Whats important to realize, is that he perfor

Re: PCB layout question for good EMC performance

2002-06-11 Thread Wan Juang Foo
Dear all, Are you working with a MLB, if so how many layers and what is your stack assignment? I think if you are looking for a rule of thumb on layout density, you can end up literally barking up the wrong tree. I believe the correct rule of thumb is not to let a critical trace/track cross any

RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD & 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-11 Thread Pommerenke, David
Dear Scott, (1) I have looked at quite a bit of literature that plots Failure propatibility vs. Stress level in contact mode like testing and have seen very few none-monotonic EUTs that show the none-monotonic behavior over a larger voltage range. (2) In my five year test practise at