Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-22 Thread Nicky Donald
I love that. At Glastonbury a couple of years ago I saw an intelligent-looking youth speaking on his phone thus: "Where are you? I'm just coming into a big field full of flags." Right next to him was a huge signpost, with arrows to all parts of the site. I also spoke to an 80-year-old grandmother

Re: [-empyre-] contesting the netopticon

2011-01-22 Thread Jon Thomson
Marc, Davin and everyone, We were chatting with a friend the other night and he was telling us about his teenage daughter spending the weekend, facebook updating and tweeting strategically about a sleepover and party at a particular friend's apartment that never happened. When he asked her why

Re: [-empyre-] networked art & the Netopticon

2011-01-22 Thread Jon Thomson
Marc, Thanks for your further comments (no furtherfield pun intended) > So, would you say that you are 'consciously' engaged in holding out a mirror > image of the netopticon? Not exactly, well maybe we are but that's not exactly our intention. We'd stick with the notion that we are trying to

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-22 Thread Jon Thomson
Thanks for the quotes and the link to the article. The spirit of it reminds us of Gustav Metzger's second manifesto of auto-destructive art (http://www.luftgangster.de/audeart3.html), and the drowning man imagery points us to the problems of cultural feedback loops in our societies (in the cy

Re: [-empyre-] networked art & the Netopticon

2011-01-22 Thread marc garrett
Hi Jon & alison, Just some thoughts responding to your last post... >If we think of yet another essay by Foucault, What is an >Author (http://www.scribd.com/doc/10268982/Foucault-What-is-an-Author) >and his ideas of an author being more like a conduit than originator >then, perhaps manipulation

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-22 Thread ajaco c/o bid
Hi Jon & Alison Sorry to be a bit incomprehensible, but I can add the following quotes to clarify a bit: [*] "Modern life appears as a drowning man filming itself in its dead struggle, the sight of a drowning man filming his own drowning in a world which as a whole is drowning is extremely abs

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-22 Thread marc garrett
Hi Davin, > Aside from the practical matter of keeping one's hands busy or putting > food in one's belly a way of thinking needs to accompany these > practices. And that, I think, is the greatest obstacle. We have no > patience for dialogic cultural processes. We are in the habit of > con

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-22 Thread Jon Thomson
Hi Simon and Andreas simon said: > Sometimes a cinema is just a cinema. Yes you're right sometimes a cinema is indeed just a cinema, although these days most are fitted with night vision cameras. andreas said: > No!, it is just another subversion of the mighty new media mob, disguised as > poli