, and the lack of modern
apps is very limiting. If it were cheap, I would use it for nostalgia,
but it's not -- it's priced like the 1990s as well.
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ay be truncated if there is not enough RAM available
Mouse cursor is currently not visible in Hercules mode
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that the ability is turned off in 32-bit Windows. It's there in the
hardware, but 32-bit XP/Vista/7/8.x/10 can't use it.
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le, no more.
As for the rest, I don't know. I have never tried DOS under VMM. What
drive letter is your boot media appearing as?
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the current version, or even the previous version if you
want some XUL addons.
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/releases/
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. The all-company server changed 3
times in 4 years.
> I already planned to switch, but it just didn't happen for now, because
> I did a lot of tweaking in TB2.
You can just load an old profile into a new version and that's it. If
you use extensions, then pick an old enough vers
ething dangerous
that's risky to your computer and your data, the same as I would to
anyone I saw behaving dangerously if I thought that they might not
realise. I was trying to be helpful.
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, and TBH I would not expect it to work well on modern kit.
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commercial
flop, but an important design all the same.
I have a new job and was too busy to prepare a talk. :-(
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technically is source-available not open-source. But, I’m no lawyer.
The original:
https://github.com/id-Software/Quake-2
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https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-pico/specifications/
133MHz CPU, 264 kB of RAM.
This is lower than a mid-1990s specification. It is not and never will
be a general-purpose computer.
TL;DR – Travis' statement is not true in any way for the
generally-available mass-market Pis.
-
ttle, and some other things I've thrown at
it -- OS/2 2/3/4, NT up to about XP, and so on.
I think I even had DOS and Win9x side by side using it. I think it
predates Vista and BCD boot so it might struggle with that.
It's my personal favourite, but System Commander was also very c
extended partition, with some logical
drives in it, which will be visible to both.
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s I have available in the DOS I'm using to do that (usually
> SUBST or SWSUBST, but e.g. in DOSBox I need to use MOUNT). I have the
> programs and batch files set up to assume S: instead of C: for the default
> drive.
>
> That's probably too complicated of a setup for most
u're not meant to do this; it wasn't in the DOS design.
Additional primaries were for non-DOS OSes with formats that DOS can't
read: back then, Netware, Xenix, etc.
It may work in later versions, but I advise against totally relying on it.
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I thought this post had some interesting info...
http://ridgecrop.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm
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network client to put
on top of it?
And can anyone point me to any instructions for installing under
DOSemu on a Linux box? I can't find anything, and the automatic
FreeFOS 1.2 installer doesn't even work any more... :-(
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Considered putting a cheap USB floppy drive onto your Win10 machine?
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not there to work yet.
> Any help much appreciated!
It sounds to me like you are way out of your depth, technically speaking.
Start with the basics: why are you doing this? What do you hope to achieve?
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eady have it, presumably licensed.
> Shame FreeDOS does not let you specify a different username in the net use
> command.
NET USE is not part of FreeDOS. It's part of the MS LAN Client for DOS.
The client does let you log in and out, and the username can be
changed... but I hav
n what you're recommending.
I am not saying there isn't. I am saying that there are easier ways
than a tool you happen to know well and be familiar with. I am not
telling you you're wrong or anything, just suggesting something to
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FreeDOS in a VM, IMHO.
I know that you can attach a USB device directly to a VirtualBox VM
and a VMWare VM, so that the dongle would be visible to the copy of
Windows inside the VM and therefore ought to active your app. I
presume this is also possible with Hyper-V but I have not tried it.
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sb support which we
> need. I'll see if I can keep this ancient program running for another year or
> two!
I suspect it's already out of support. XP itself is, VirtualPC is, and
Win7 is on special paid-for emergency patches only.
But then again, FreeDOS is out of support, because it
PATH line in autoexec.bat and remove it.
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 05:15, Travis Siegel wrote:
>
> Ok, odd question, (lots of emulation), but I've got ubuntu 20.04 running
> under win10, using wsl.
WSL1 or WSL2?
Might work on WSL2. Might not on WSL1 because there is no actual Linux
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act.
2 questions.
[1] You are running a real separate DOS inside DOSBOX (or DOSBOX-X).
These products come with their own built-in DOS. Why use your own? I
am just curious.
[2] Is there a version of GNU COBOL for DOS? I can't find any mention
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that a FAT filesystem. My Linux apps can't see into it. My DOS apps
can't see Linux files.
Whether it's in a window or not doesn't matter. That's just cosmetics.
I'm not starting an argument, I am just trying to understan
full native
execution speed. I don't want or need the weight of an emulator or
soundcard support or anything. It was just a way to work with my old
DOS apps on a modern computer as part of my modern OS.
These workarounds all sound more complex and more fiddly to me... or
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There's some possible OPL3 AdLib-type support:
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It's also better for people using accessibility tools, smaller
devices, takes less space, helps prevent
email-borne viruses, and aids quoting and conversations. I *highly*
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nted to a way to do it in QEMU, and Robert
> pointed to vvfat in Bochs.
Interesting workarounds, but I'm still interested in getting the
original, simpler tool working, so I don't need any virtual disk
drives or anything. Is that a strange thing to want? It doesn't feel
like
t tools for different jobs if there is a particular tool
that is better for a particular job. In this instance, one is.
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what I use. These days, I use QEMU and
> VirtualBox.
Well, AFAICS, because it was easier, smaller, faster, and offered
better integration with the host OS. Aren't those reason enough?
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 23:27, Travis Siegel wrote:
> How does one tell which version of WSL is in use?
https://pureinfotech.com/check-wsl-version-windows-10/
The command:
wsl -l -v
... should tell you.
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ywhere-apparently-also-means-windows-311-and-dos
https://github.com/MichalStrehovsky/SeeSharpSnake
A Snake game in _8 kB_ of .NET code. But using custom libraries and
disabling a lot of functionality.
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Cobol on DOS_ (which will be hard, and
a lot of work)...
Or do you want to develop in GNU Cobol and _run the program that comes
out on DOS_? That will be easier to do.
These are *very* different goals!
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as described above can be found here:
http://www-ftp.lip6.fr/pub/pc/garbo/pc/programming/
I hope this helps.
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f you like the WordPerfect keystrokes and UI (which personally I do
not) then the WordPerfect Editor is freeware. It does only plain text
but it's even lighter and quicker than the full app.
https://clasqm.github.io/freedos-repo/Productivity.html
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#x27; bridged networking functionality.
Connectix' VirtualPC used to offer DOS guest additions, but it only
works on VirtualPC. VPC is freeware now, but only supports up to Win7
(with a hack to run on Win8).
I don't think VMware has DOS guest additions.
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ong, VMware does not, *but*
there is a way round it?
Very useful info. Thank you!
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x27;s not just a computer with a formatted hard disk and FreeDOS on
it. It's considerably more complicated than that...
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ut it doesn't use the core QEMU emulator for
running x86 OSes on x86.
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lop is tiny: a few tens of kilobytes. Put it on a floppy, boot the PC
from the floppy, and then Plop will boot a CD for you.
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riants that had some adoption, including
Modula-2+, Modula-3,Turbo Pascal, Object Pascal, Delphi, Kylix and
FreePascal. All legit, all sold and were widely-used at some points in
time.
You can't say that there are too many Pascal variants unless you also
say that there are too many C vari
the project when I emigrated -- Red Hat was
going to ship it to Canada from the UK for me.
De Raadt changed his mind when he learned it wasn't the fastest model, and
Red Hat Farnborough lost the machine. 😡
Anyway, making new SSH keys on a VAX took as much as a couple of *days* in
some ins
ext best thing and I suspect as good as we will ever get.
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WIP release) and then
shut down.
Then Lineo found some Novell backups and re-incorporated them and
published bug fix releases. This was the basis of the 7.02 and 7.03
releases, I believe.
> Am I barking up the wrong tree, or is this just me misremembering things?
I think you are, I'm afrai
ter
version of PL/I.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/M
Some parts were hand-coded in assembly.
CP/M-68K was originally written in Pascal.
Later on, around the Concurrent CP/M-86 era, the OS was rewritten in
C, as was CP/M-68K I think.
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n German when I pick English.
Several others are under restrictive licences.
Even OpenGEM can't draw windows, under Virtualbox or on bare metal,
and its complicated batch-file setup system doesn't work and throws
errors.
Is there anything dead simple that isn't broken and is total
t it. It often seems to me nobody else knows what outliners
are for or how to use them.
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e 1980s
and I still don't, TBH. I am happy enough at the command line. It's
one of the often-included-with-Linux tools I am baffled about.
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her (DBGL), though I am fairly sure he'd be happy to provide
> anyone with the resources to his old copies - if not already on GIThub etc.
Not seen that, but I don't use DOSbox and I don't run games, so I
suppose I wouldn't.
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night Commander, it's a file manager, not an app launcher, isn't it?
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 at 15:20, Dave Stevens via Freedos-user
wrote:
>
> why not stuff the app launcher files into the default folder and point and
> click there?
What app launcher files?
What default folder?
Point and click with what -- there's no mouse interface by default?
-
adequate. He doesn't say
what folder it is *meant* to be in.
It does not work installed in \OPENGEM or \GEM so it is not either of those.
I am trying to work out what, but I don't know what config file to look in.
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DOS Shell" app, but it seems to have only 1
app in its list and no way to add more. It seems not to be a
functional app, just a demo of the programming library.
I suggest removing it as it does nothing useful.
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 at 18:28, Travis Siegel wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, the best dos menuing system I ever found was called
> Mark's Menu.
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categorised list of installed programs, with descriptions.
Failing that, a point-and-click GUI that lets users navigate
directories and start DOS apps without typing.
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ng for a simple app launcher.
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's the best way. Do it on Github? Send a PR, or just fork
the project and do my own?
Any comments or preferences?
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have a test install of that on DR-DOS 7.01-08 here. ViewMax can
use the TaskMax multitasking that is built into DR-DOS. FreeDOS has
nothing like that yet, AFAIK, and also AFAIK TaskMax won't work on any
other OS.
I suppose I could use ViewMax instead of full GEM, though, if it's
jus
can't get QEMM386 to run on any modern hardware. This makes me very sad.
Also, I tried 386Max as that is now GPL, as discussed on this list.
Like QEMM, it runs fine in a VM -- but for me, 386Max locks the
machine hard (hold-down-power-switch level) on the bare metal on the 3
machines I've
oo, so that those
> who use Windows XP (or higher) can enjoy it as well.
(Please, if you can, bottom post on mailing lists. It makes threads
*much* easier to follow.)
I am puzzled: I mean, XP can run DOS programs directly, without
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> > https://eideard.com/2018/08/27/remembering-marc-perkel/
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Robert
>
>
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quot;clear" at all. It's part of the hardware design and MS has
little influence over that. Remember, x86-64 is not even an Intel
design: it is from AMD.
Win64 drops 16-bit support. DOS is a 16-bit OS. It went along with
16-bit Windows support, no more and no less.
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6.x mouse driver should be detected and usable
> now.
>
> https://fd.lod.bz/repos/current/pkg-html/pgme.html
>
> :-)
Oh hurrah! Thank you.
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ment Project or possibly IBM
PC-DOS 7.1.
I have download links for both on my blog, but I've been accused of
spamming in the past so I won't give the links. I think they should be
easily Googled and I've shared them on both Reddit and Facebook in the
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d c:\apps\msword\mouse
This works fine in FreeDOS Edit, but PGME detects no mouse.
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y equipment. If you're asking about HP kit, ask HP.
FreeDOS is nothing to do with HP; HP just puts FreeDOS on some
machines to avoid paying Microsoft for Windows licences.
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stance on top.
https://blog.tmm.cx/2022/05/15/the-very-weird-hewlett-packard-freedos-option/
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 at 12:24, Thomas Desi wrote:
> Anyone any idea why this happens?
Might be worth checking for a firmware update. No harm in trying.
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 at 22:38, Walter Vermeir wrote:
>
> When I write the FreeDOS ISO to the SD-cards or the FreeDOS USB version
Write with what?
Have you tried USB?
If you don't know it, I recommend that you look at and try Ventoy. It
makes ISO/IMG file handling much easier.
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32MB of RAM? That is before SD existed. It's mostly before USB too --
maybe USB 1 at best.
If you want to boot a DOS-era machine from removable mass storage, try
the PLOP boot manager.
https://www.plop.at/
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rnal.com/50416.html
I've done this with FreeDOS 1.3 and it works very well. You can insert
the key and just copy DOS apps and things onto it, then eject it, put
it into another PC and boot it, and the new apps are right there.
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This recent post talked about the experience of using one:
https://ounapuu.ee/posts/2023/02/28/lattepanda-v1/
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IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK:
net/pathworks_DOS/AA-PAF5C-TK_Pathworks_for_DOS_Overview_V4.1_Aug91.pdf
You might be able to find a download of that out there somewhere. I
think it was free if you owned the PATHWORKS server.
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th Ventoy and copy ISO
files onto it and it generates a boot menu on the fly and boots DOS or
Linux or Windows or whatever for you.
Ventoy is great and a huge time saver and it just works, so I don't
usually use Rufus any more.
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hat is computing in 2023 for you. :-(
It's why I like DOS. ;-)
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There's always a tradeoff. Rufus is tiny and doesn't even need to be
installed, but it is slow to run: quick download, slow operation.
Etcher is huge, but writes fast: slow download, fast operation.
There are many others, too:
https://www.tecmint.com/linux-bootable-usb-creators/
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r, anything able to boot from USB that I own, has booted
from Ventoy... even if some OSes, such as Windows XP and eComStation,
will not start from an ISO on a Ventoy drive.
> I hesitated to mention yet an other program:
Hey, the more the merrier. :-)
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stuff stripped out (NetBIOS and
IPX/SPX support, RS/232 terminals, etc.) and could be useful to
someone somewhere.
I tried to contact 3 or 4 vendors of Multiuser DOS mentioned in my
article. Most didn't reply.
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complex).
True.
> Well, except Intel for its Management
> Engine. ;-)
Ha! Yes.
> I was always impressed by Minix and how much they
> accomplished, even in the 2.x days.
Oh really? I didn't look at 2.
> I'm sure there are dozens of improvements we could make to FreeDOS
On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 00:53, wrote:
>
> The original version of vmm386 was a fantastic dos multitasker,
I never heard of that one before!
Do you have any more info or links?
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if I read your multiple emails correctly, you are saying that it
got made open source in the end? Is that right?
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re isn't a DOS version, the
Windows one can work in a DOS extended called HX:
https://forums.scummvm.org/viewtopic.php?t=10327
Not tried, I just Googled...
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oard layout. EVERY English
language PC I ever set up in my >30y career ran some sort of keyboard
mapping tool to get my native English language, the language of
England, you know, us, the people who invented it, supported and
working.
keyb uk 437 c:\dos\keyboard.sys
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to such a printer.
MS's workgroup client would do that just fine and it's freeware.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc750214.aspx
http://www.computing.net/answers/dos/microsoft-network-client-30/7487.html
Connecting directly, though? I can't think of a way off the top
e structure, BCD, is a closed
binary format which must be edited with special tools, such as
EasyBCD:
http://neosmart.net/dl.php?id=1
This is a complete pain.
Also, Vista & Win7 automatically rename their boot partition as C:
when they boot, regardless of where it is in the partition sequence,
wh
that
emulates an 8086 CPU, at least, and preferably an 80386 or better.
Examples include BOCHS or QEMU, although QEMU would be more
complicated as it emulates many different computers as well as
PC-compatibles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bochs
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> recover the screen after closing a MSDOS session screen...)
Identify what graphics card VBox is emulating & look for a Windows 3
driver for it.
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On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 April 2010 18:09 (CEST), Liam Proven wrote:
>> Identify what graphics card VBox is emulating & look for a Windows 3
>> driver for it.
>
> Not that easy :)
> VirtualBox is emulating a "VirtualB
2's HPFS, and was generally a pleasure to work with. You
could run Netscape 4 32-bit on it, too, for a pretty good Internet &
Web experience - for 1995.
But of course it doesn't run on DOS.
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Windows solution is far preferable and
does an awful lot more, but it costs £1500 or so in software to
achieve what Ubuntu does for free.
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On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Sol-Terrasa mkfs ext4 da' Sussex
wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 14:22 +0100, Liam Proven wrote
>
>> > Windows 3.1x for high resolution displays i.e. beyond 1280x1024 with 16
>> > million colours. Sadly I've had to abandon it due
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Sol-Terrasa mkfs ext4 da' Sussex
wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-04-09 at 13:46 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
>
>> > *sigh* I'd forgotten about that 64k limitation. :(
>>
>> There is a /reason/ why people dropped Windows 3 like a hot potato
atch – there is Free code
out there that could be used, or at least studied. It would be a
bootstrapping process, as once the system got to a level where Linux
tools could be cross-compiled, there is tons of suitable Free software
available: lightweight window managers, editors, Internet tools and
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