On 28 Nov 2012, at 15:05, Alan DeKok wrote:
> BALSIANOK, Peter wrote:
>> Sorry, i didnt read doc/variables.txt carefully ( missed %Z ).
>> To have one packet in one line ( AVPs separated with delimiter ) from my
>> point of view is better (simple). Of course i can pars
On 28/11/12 14:57, BALSIANOK, Peter wrote:
Last question. Is writing to detail file serialized ( paralel threads can
write data at the same time to one file ) ?
Yes. The detail writer (and reader) use locking.
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BALSIANOK, Peter wrote:
> Sorry, i didnt read doc/variables.txt carefully ( missed %Z ).
> To have one packet in one line ( AVPs separated with delimiter ) from my
> point of view is better (simple). Of course i can parse current detail file
> format :).
I wouldn't agree wit
Sorry, i didnt read doc/variables.txt carefully ( missed %Z ).
To have one packet in one line ( AVPs separated with delimiter ) from my point
of view is better (simple). Of course i can parse current detail file format :).
Last question. Is writing to detail file serialized ( paralel threads can
defined part of accounting packet ).
See doc/variables.txt This is documented.
But... there really isn't any point. Why is so vital to have them all
on one line? Why not just use the detail file? Do the extra linefeeds
really cause that much panic?
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BALSIANOK, Peter wrote:
> Is there any way to change / simulate functionality of the detail module
> like this ?
>
> Timestamp=“ Tue Nov 27 15:03:35 2012“[delimiter]Packet-Type =
> Accounting-Request[delimiter]NAS-Port-Type = Virtual[delimiter]
> NAS-Port-Type = Virtual[delimiter] [end of line
Hi,
I want to store accounting packet(s) for future processing.
[radiusd@tdrad1 freeradius-server-2.2.0]$ cat
/app_log/radius/ggsn-acct/radacct/127.0.0.1/pre-proxy-detail-20121127
Tue Nov 27 15:03:35 2012
Packet-Type = Accounting-Request
NAS-Port-Type = Virtual
Hi,
> How do I ensure the buffered-sql file gets included by the server? Do I need
> an additional default Virtual Server configuration to enable the buffered-sql?
you ensure theres a link to it from sites-enabled into sites-available
> Where are the SQL queries picked up from if there is no bu
Thanks Alan and Fajar,
How do I ensure the buffered-sql file gets included by the server? Do I need an
additional default Virtual Server configuration to enable the buffered-sql?
Where are the SQL queries picked up from if there is no buffered sql?
Also, how does dialup admin interface pick up
y the server?
buffered_sql takes a detail file and dumps the contents into SQL - theres no
querying
involvedits just a single thread that runs when the main radiusd processes
are
quiet(er) - there are some variables in the buffered_sql that allow you to
change
its load variance and how often it poll
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Vivek Mehrotra wrote:
> As the number of queries increases to a few ten-thousands, mysqld monopolizes
> the CPU.
> We wish to stop querying MySQL at that point.
> There's only so much "load_factor" can help?
> Would welcome alternate solutions as well..
You shoul
As the number of queries increases to a few ten-thousands, mysqld monopolizes
the CPU.
We wish to stop querying MySQL at that point.
There's only so much "load_factor" can help?
Would welcome alternate solutions as well..
Regards,
vivek
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On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Vivek Mehrotra wrote:
> Hello,
> We are using Freeradius2 with MySQL at the backend.
> I understand that the buffered sql takes care of buffering queries. What is
> the best way to stop querying MySQL altogether and return a negative
> response, after a certain t
Hello,
We are using Freeradius2 with MySQL at the backend.
I understand that the buffered sql takes care of buffering queries. What is the
best way to stop querying MySQL altogether and return a negative response,
after a certain threshold of processing is reached by the server?
Thanks in advance
> sql {
> invalid = 2
> fail = 2
> }
> if (fail || noop || invalid) {
> ok
> }
>
> in the buffered-sql (that syntax might work, take care!)
&g
Gary T. Giesen wrote:
> I tried adding the noop block to the detail reader and doesn't seem to
> make a difference. I'm still seeing this suspicious debug:
...
> Tue Nov 8 10:34:18 2011 : Debug: [sql-acct] stop packet with zero
> session length. [user 'u...@realm.com', nas '10.99.0.39']
> Tue Nov
}
in the buffered-sql (that syntax might work, take care!)
or, even better, make sure the situation where the detail file
gets such a thing doesnt happen in the first place eg, in your
virtual server accounting section...
if (Acct-Session-Time != 0) {
I tried adding the noop block to the detail reader and doesn't seem to
make a difference. I'm still seeing this suspicious debug:
Tue Nov 8 10:34:18 2011 : Debug: [] server buffered-sql {
Tue Nov 8 10:34:18 2011 : Debug: [] # Executing section
preacct from file /etc/raddb/sites-enabled/buffered-
Gary T. Giesen wrote:
> I made the change to the configuration, watch the server go a little
> nuts with writing SQL to the database, and then it stops, and I'm
> still stuck with a detail.work file that's not getting processed...
As always, debug mode. You can use "raddebug" to debug a running
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Gary T. Giesen wrote:
> I made the change to the configuration, watch the server go a little
> nuts with writing SQL to the database, and then it stops, and I'm
> still stuck with a detail.work file that's not getting processed...
As usual, if something doesn't wor
I made the change to the configuration, watch the server go a little
nuts with writing SQL to the database, and then it stops, and I'm
still stuck with a detail.work file that's not getting processed...
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Gary T. Giesen wrote:
> I spoke too soon, that does not seem t
I spoke too soon, that does not seem to have solved the issue
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Gary T. Giesen wrote:
> Uncommenting:
>
> if (noop) {
> ok
> }
>
> solved the issue.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> GG
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Alan DeKok wrote
Uncommenting:
if (noop) {
ok
}
solved the issue.
Thank you very much.
GG
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Alan DeKok wrote:
> Gary T. Giesen wrote:
>> Mon Nov 7 15:51:12 2011 : Info: [sql-acct] stop packet with zero
>> session length. [user 'u...@realm.com', na
Gary T. Giesen wrote:
> Mon Nov 7 15:51:12 2011 : Info: [sql-acct] stop packet with zero
> session length. [user 'u...@realm.com', nas '10.99.0.39']
Read raddb/sites-available/default. Look for "zero".
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I believe I've setup buffered SQL correctly in my configuration, and I
do have some data that's made it into SQL...
I used the default buffered-sql in sites-enabled on RHEL 6...
In my sites-enabled/default, I have it logging to a detail file (and
not SQL). I also have the sites-enable
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:07 PM, tonimanel
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> Now, I don't have clear why configuring proxy.conf and implementing
> copy-acct-to-home-server, accounting packets have different times(I know
> that these are using different timestamp).
That's the way it is.
> You have said that this is
> pos
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> is proxy configuration, but I don't want a proxy configuration, I would like
> to get a copy-acct-to-home-server configuration
Remember how I said multiple times that you REALLY need to understand
the basics first? Here's some:
- radius accepts a packet, whether fro
onfiguration is being very difficult. :(
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On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:01 PM, tonimanel
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> Yes, I knew that code is to define a reader. Thanks. ;)
>
> I think that this function incorrectly (I have some mistake) because when I
> list /var/log/freeradius/radacct, not appears second_detail file.
Did you read the logs you posted?
The fi
I have check that I had not defined the pool as acct_pool, for this reason
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that I had defined the second writer fine, but something it's
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On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:30 PM, tonimanel
wrote:
> I have defined a second detail file writer that functions correct writting a
> second file. When I define in radiusd.conf this code:
>
> server radiusB {
> listen {
> type = detail
>
I have defined a second detail file writer that functions correct writting a
second file. When I define in radiusd.conf this code:
server radiusB {
listen {
type = detail
filename = /var/log/freeradius/radacct/second_detail
load_factor = 25
Benjamin Marvin wrote:
> Howdy,
> Is the timeout/retransmit timer adjustable for the detail file reader
> (copy-acct-to-home-server).
I'm not sure what that means.
> If not, what is the default retransmit time for the reader?
30 seconds. You can change it via the "r
Howdy,
Is the timeout/retransmit timer adjustable for the detail file reader
(copy-acct-to-home-server).
If not, what is the default retransmit time for the reader?
Just to double/triple verify, this is a serial reader (it waits to send a
second packet until it has a response from the first
a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote:
> grrr. i was looking at the debug log sent and seeing the sql operation
> return an 'invalid' operator... and so Alans method seemed operative
> however - as you say, the code is doing something a little narky and
> unlogged underneath - hence the result code check d
Hi,
> Hi,
> >> Or maybe better:
> >>
> >> sql
> >> if (noop || invalid) {
> >> ok
> >> }
> >
> > doesnt appear to work...
> Tsk tsk, did you even read my post ? :P
>
> sql {
> invalid = 2
> }
>
> Gotta override the default priority, else it'll return a handled rcode.
g
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Hi,
>> Or maybe better:
>>
>> sql
>> if (noop || invalid) {
>> ok
>> }
>
> doesnt appear to work...
Tsk tsk, did you even read my post ? :P
sql {
invalid = 2
}
Gotta override the default priority, else it'll return a handled
e, the bit of unlang asking for the return code doesnt
seem to be called at all (unlike the successful packet) and therefore
the duff packet stays in the detail file queue...to keep the detail
instance clogged up.
alan
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nd they have to do
> to their configs ...at the end of which we get a nice comprehensive
> list of updates needed for the core server configuration (and hopefully
> a large number of 'you need to change this or add that' blog/wiki/random
> document entries removed across t
Hi,
> > (I've already got, on my list, use Calling-Station-Id
> > instead of NAS-Port for the unique function as many
> > NAS use the same port for every accounting packet :-|)
>
> Create a patch, and send it to the list via git format-patch. "Best
> practices" really need to go into the serve
ve been approached today by someone who has a
> rather large detail file (few gigs)
Bad. Bad, bad, bad. They should be writing detail files per day, or
per hour. If they're using a version of the server from the last 6
months, it supports file globbing, which helps with this.
> th
hi,
okay. so i've been preaching that people use eg
the buffered-sql virtual machine rather than do accounting
DB entries 'live' - therefore giving the admin better
FR performance with slower DBs etc...
however, I've been approached today by someone who has a
rather large d
I have performed the following actions, however, the listener files are
still being deleted when the home accounting server is down.
# Mark this home server alive ONLY when it starts being responsive
status_check = status-server
You have altered this from robust-proxy-accounting exampl
JDL wrote:
> I have performed the following actions, however, the listener files are
> still being deleted when the home accounting server is down.
Please run it in debugging mode. The output is likely too large to
post here, but only debugging mode will tell you what's happening.
It will pr
I have performed the following actions, however, the listener files are
still being deleted when the home accounting server is down.
Alan DeKok wrote:
1) Don't write to the detail file twice.
I have commented out ALL detail lines from all active configuration
files (including sites-en
Alan DeKok wrote:
On top of that, your configuration clearly logs to the detail file
*twice*. Once when the packet is read from the network, and then again
when it's read from the detail file.
I assume you are referring to this
server acct_detail.imaginenet {
accou
JDL wrote:
> I just tried the 2.1.5 pre-release and the issue with the detail file
> listener going crazy seems to have been corrected. Thank you.
That's good.
> However, the issue of the spooled detail files being deleted remains.
> Doing my best to analyze the debug file a
Alan DeKok wrote:
Some people have seen the detail file listener go "crazy", and use
lots of CPU. I've managed to reproduce the problem, and have committed
a fix to the "stable" tree.
Please see http://git.freeradius.org/pre/ for tar files && debian
files
Some people have seen the detail file listener go "crazy", and use
lots of CPU. I've managed to reproduce the problem, and have committed
a fix to the "stable" tree.
Please see http://git.freeradius.org/pre/ for tar files && debian
files
al pat wrote:
> Hi Ivan,
>
> Hmm, on my ubuntu system - I am not able to execute a basic perl module
> from freeradius.
> It is freeradius version 1.1.7 (installed using apt-get install freeradius)
Build 2.1.3 from source. Or build a debian package.
Ensure that you install libperl-dev, too.
Hi Ivan,
Hmm, on my ubuntu system - I am not able to execute a basic perl module from
freeradius.
It is freeradius version 1.1.7 (installed using apt-get install freeradius)
When i start freeradius with -X option, I am not seeing any indication of
rlm_perl being loaded.
(I have included a perl {}
>Sat Aug 16 19:02:04 2008
>
>NAS-IP-Address = 101.101.101.3
>
>Acct-Status-Type = Interim-Update
>
>Acct-Session-Id = "I=220+00\000\000\000\t"
>
>CableLabs-Event-Message =
>0x0004493d32202020202020202032302b303030303039000100012020202020202032302b
> >> >I am trying to decode accounting message from a device which sends
> >> >PacketCable Event Messages.
> >> >
> >> >These are VSAs and the payload has a custom format.
> >> >
> >> >Freeradius dumps the octet string of t
>> >PacketCable Event Messages.
>> >
>> >These are VSAs and the payload has a custom format.
>> >
>> >Freeradius dumps the octet string of the length of the message which it
>> >cannot decode (due to custom format)
>> >
>> >I wan
a device which sends
> >PacketCable Event Messages.
> >
> >These are VSAs and the payload has a custom format.
> >
> >Freeradius dumps the octet string of the length of the message which it
> >cannot decode (due to custom format)
> >
> >I want to dump t
dump these specific attributes in the message. How do I go about
>doing that?
>I want to dump the output in the "detail-..." file along with the other
>attributes.
>
>I am using freeradius version 1.1.7 (built March 10, 2008) on ubuntu with
>linux kernel 2.
attributes in the message. How do I go about
doing that?
I want to dump the output in the "detail-..." file along with the other
attributes.
I am using freeradius version 1.1.7 (built March 10, 2008) on ubuntu with
linux kernel 2.6.26-19
Thank You.
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I upgraded to 2.0.2 but still have a problem with reading detail (to do
copy-acct-to-home-server ):
It only processes the first request of the detail file and stops after
receiving the accouting response.
May some one help me?
here follows part of freeradius -X:
Polling for detail file
from detail file , accounting
Ellis, Scott 1 (N-Comptel Inc.) wrote:
> I have the new version 1.1.4 up and running. I also have uncommented
> the "suppress" stanza in radiusd.conf below. However, in
radacct/auth-
> files, the password is still showing up..???
Did you add the &
Ellis, Scott 1 (N-Comptel Inc.) wrote:
> I have the new version 1.1.4 up and running. I also have uncommented the
> "suppress" stanza in radiusd.conf below. However, in radacct/auth-
> files, the password is still showing up..???
Did you add the "suppress" section to the configuration for *a
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Hi,
> Is there a way to eliminate the password from being written to the
> accounting log file
Angel L. Mateo wrote:
> My problem is that this is working fine for the auth-detail file, but
> detail file is still logging individually, without using the
> Huntgroup-Name variable.
Accounting requests aren't processed through the "huntgroups" file.
You'l
ry identify by its
client ip address.
My problem is that this is working fine for the auth-detail file, but
detail file is still logging individually, without using the
Huntgroup-Name variable.
Any idea?
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Ellis, Scott 1 (N-Comptel Inc.) wrote:
> ThanksI am running 1.0.1 Scott ...
Do you really mean that the accounting "detail" file has passwords?
Why? I've never seen that.
If you mean the equivalent file for authentication records, stripping
the password is easy:
ThanksI am running 1.0.1 Scott ...
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Hi,
> Do you know what version was the first to introduce this feature?
1.1.2
Feature improvements
* Allow tagged VSA's for Juniper. Closes bugs #367 and #368.
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Subject: Re: Restrict Password from detail file , accounting
Hi,
> Is there a way to eliminate the password from being written to the
> accounting log files? Either not in clear text or altogether?
which accounting logs?
with the recent versions of FreeRADIUS y
Thanks. I will give it a try.
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Hi,
> Is th
Hi,
> Is there a way to eliminate the password from being written to the
> accounting log files? Either not in clear text or altogether?
which accounting logs?
with the recent versions of FreeRADIUS you can add the following
to the last part of each detail logging stanza
suppress {
Is there a way to eliminate the password from being written to the
accounting log files? Either not in clear text or altogether?
I know that read access is restricted to Root access only.
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"Angel L. Mateo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But now I want to send all the logs for requests from a group of
> clients (defined as a huntgroup) to the same files, and the request for
> all other clients as now (classified with the IP address of the client).
> Is there any way to redefine th
}
I have activated the detail file in the accounting section and the
auth_log in the authorize and are working fine.
But now I want to send all the logs for requests from a group of
clients (defined as a huntgroup) to the same files, and the request for
all other clients as now
Is your NAS sending accounting records?
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&
Hi everyone,
Here is my problem, I think I configured everything but the detail
file is never created for accounting. I also use a mysql data base
for accounting only and nothing is appended to the table radacct
either. It is like accounting does not work at all. Here are some
parts of
Phil Mayers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am sorry if this is a silly question but I have been trying to find a
> > solution for quite a while now and still haven't found anything.
> > Is it possible to make sure the passwords are not stored in the
> > auth-detail files?
>
> Not without sourc
Axel Seguin wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am using Freeradius with LDAP. I use EAP-TTLS for authentication with
PAP (the passwords in LDAP being crypted).
In the ldap.conf file I have :
log_auth_badpass = no
log_auth_goopass = no
But I still see the user password in clear text in the auth-detail
Hi everyone,
I am using Freeradius with LDAP. I use EAP-TTLS for authentication
with PAP (the passwords in LDAP being crypted).
In the ldap.conf file I have :
log_auth_badpass = no
log_auth_goopass = no
But I still see the user password in clear text in the auth-detail file.
I am sorry if
On Friday 31 March 2006 14:17, Ben Plimpton wrote:
> But when I start radrelay the permissions change:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] radacct]# radrelay -a /var/log/radius/radacct \
> -d /etc/raddb -n ns2-new detail-combined
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] radacct]# ls -la total 44
> drwx-- 9 radiusd radiusd 40
I have setup radius to log detail files for radrelay to use. I think
that I followed the documentation exactly except for the name of the
detail file.
detail detail-combined {
detailfile = ${radacctdir}/detail-combined
detailperm = 0600
dirperm
Walter Reynolds wrote:
I am currently running freeradius 1.0.4 I have the following line set
log_auth_goodpass = no
I am also using krb5 module under PAM.
The problem I am having is while I do not get the User-Password in the
/auth-detail log, it does show up in the 127.0.0.1/auth-detail
I am currently running freeradius 1.0.4 I have the following line set
log_auth_goodpass = no
I am also using krb5 module under PAM.
The problem I am having is while I do not get the User-Password in the
/auth-detail log, it does show up in the 127.0.0.1/auth-detail file.
I have tried to
The last few days with moving over to our new dialup that uses a realm
we seemed to have lost our login accounting to our detail file only for the
out of area realm logins. The local logins yet still are posted to the
detail file.
In the clients.conf I have the shortname that points to the
Hello,
I am running freeradius version 1.0.4 on Fedora Core 4. I have a problem
with the detail file that writes to the radacct directory. I noticed that this
log file is setup to write by default. I have uncomment the appropriate lines
to have the auth-detail and replay-detail log files
"Kris Benson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone come up with a way to either A) ensure the outside username
> matches the inside one (guaranteeing the outside one isn't falsified) or
> B) log the accounting details with the tunnel information?
Use the "class" attribute. Set it to some val
Hi all,
So I have FreeRadius set up (and working) to authenticate off an LDAP
installation. Everything is great.
I even have EAP-TTLS/PAP working, so I don't have to store the plaintext
passwords.
I just have one problem now: accounting data. Since I'm using TTLS, the
User-Name field is not th
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> My problem is that I haven't defined a client 127.0.0.1 but the file
> /var/log/radius/radacct/127.0.0.1/detail
> exist and is growing with only Stop records coming from the NASes but with
> 0 Acct-Session-Time
See the "clients" file. FreeRADIUS also reads that.
.1
Acct-Unique-Session-Id =
"d0bc8c64f6bb1766"
Timestamp = 1101790857
when the Stop packet goes to the right detail file xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/detail ,
is like this
Thu Nov 25 14:58:48
2004
NAS-IP-Address =
NAS-Port =
5
Cisco-NAS-Port =
"Async5
Alan DeKok wrote:
Is this a bug? As the detail file is correct, it does imply this isn't a
network or frontend problem.
The detail file can't be "correct", it's just a blind dump of packets.
Well yeah - but it does mean FreeRADIUS received the data and it
logout record to a
login record.
> Is this a bug? As the detail file is correct, it does imply this isn't a
> network or frontend problem.
The detail file can't be "correct", it's just a blind dump of packets.
I suggest running the server in debugging mode to s
move them*... I have checked out STOP records from ones that
successfully got removed from the radwho file (i.e. radutmp), and cannot
see any real difference between that and one that didn't update radwho
correctly.
Is this a bug? As the detail file is correct, it does imply this isn't
Sound of Silence.
>"Yyc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I notice the attributes logged in detail file were written in
>> radiusd.conf:
>> acct_unique { key = "User-Name, Acct-Session-Id, NAS-IP-Address,
>> Client-IP-Address, NAS-Port" }
&g
"Yyc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I notice the attributes logged in detail file were written in
> radiusd.conf:
> acct_unique { key = "User-Name, Acct-Session-Id, NAS-IP-Address,
> Client-IP-Address, NAS-Port" }
So? Those attributes are referenced all
I notice the attributes logged in detail file were written in radiusd.conf:
acct_unique { key = "User-Name, Acct-Session-Id, NAS-IP-Address,
Client-IP-Address, NAS-Port" }
but after i delete Client-IP-Address for acct_unique{}, Client-IP-Address
still in detail-2004;
what should
"Yyc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can I change it simeply? or add some attributes?or use some funcs
> directely output the Online time ?
The detail file logs the accounting packets. If you want to log
additional attributes, use other modules to add them to the accounti
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