Re: gEDA-user: Expert help needed - gschem/ngspice etc...

2006-07-31 Thread John Coppens
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:43:17 -0300 John Coppens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all. > > 7) And, to top things off, I can't seem to get this running with ngspice > - I get a report of 'singular matrix'es and non-convergence. Ok... That one's solved: the output circuit contained effectively two c

Re: gEDA-user: Expert help needed - gschem/ngspice etc...

2006-07-31 Thread John Coppens
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:00:39 -0600 John Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Slotting is a fabrication concept. SPICE doesn't understand slotting. > Don't use it in your sims. Hi John... Thanks for the reply. I thought the idea of gEDA was to make a complete package, including fabrication and sim

Re: gEDA-user: Expert help needed - gschem/ngspice etc...

2006-07-31 Thread John Doty
Slotting is a fabrication concept. SPICE doesn't understand slotting. Don't use it in your sims. In general, schematics you simulate are not schematics you use for board layout: they contain extra things like independent sources and parasitics. There are even problems of convention: board d

gEDA-user: Expert help needed - gschem/ngspice etc...

2006-07-31 Thread John Coppens
Hi all. What's the correct way to define things (mainly the symbol) when, defining a dual or quad opamp? Here are the problems I bounced against: 1) The quad or dual evidently has common power lines. 2) The model defines the pins in order +, -, V+, V-, and output (which seems quite common) 3) H

Re: gEDA-user: Preliminary release of Install CD

2006-07-31 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
Stuart, Machine is not portable. This Thurs is NEMES and the speaker is a very accomplished blacksmith. The make fails but the installer.exe continues to run at 100% cpu utilization. The Install.log is 1.5MB. Attached is the tail end with error. George make[1]: Leaving directory `/home1/g

Re: gEDA-user: Preliminary release of Install CD

2006-07-31 Thread Stuart Brorson
Try clicking the "close" button X in the upper right hand corner of the window. If the program is responsive, it will offer you the chance to not close. Close it up and send me the Install.log file. If the program is really dead, then kill -9 it and send the Install.log file. Another thing you

Re: gEDA-user: Preliminary release of Install CD

2006-07-31 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
Stuart, No it wont. Its hung George On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 16:56 -0400, Stuart Brorson wrote: George, If the installer stops at GSpiceUI, and you don't need it, just click the continue button, and the installer will contine with everything else. Stuart On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, George M.

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread Dan McMahill
Levente wrote: Note that you should put into the README.* that automake 1.9.x is required, hence I tested with 1.7, and it was not working properly. Levente I just changed this (in README.cvs): automake -- ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/automake/ The developers use the 1.9.* versi

Re: gEDA-user: Preliminary release of Install CD

2006-07-31 Thread Stuart Brorson
George, If the installer stops at GSpiceUI, and you don't need it, just click the continue button, and the installer will contine with everything else. Stuart On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, George M. Gallant, Jr. wrote: Stuart, I currently don't need gspiceui. It it the first failure point in the ins

Re: gEDA-user: Preliminary release of Install CD

2006-07-31 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
Stuart, I currently don't need gspiceui. It it the first failure point in the install and I was just trying to save an hour of build time. George On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 16:23 -0400, Stuart Brorson wrote: George -- If all you want is GSpiceUI, the easiest thing to do is grab teh source tarb

Re: gEDA-user: Preliminary release of Install CD

2006-07-31 Thread Stuart Brorson
George -- If all you want is GSpiceUI, the easiest thing to do is grab teh source tarballs off the CD or off the gEDA website and build them by hand. Stuart On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, George M. Gallant, Jr. wrote: Stuart, Copied cd to home dir and running from there. Is there a way to install j

Re: gEDA-user: gattrib crashes when window is resized

2006-07-31 Thread Taylor Jones
On 7/31/06, Stuart Brorson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks.  I reproduced the bug on my machine.  Then I fixed it and putthe fix into CVS.  Please grab it and try it out and let me know howit goes.Fixed on my machine. Much appreciated. - TaylorOn Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Taylor Jones wrote:> On 7/31/06,

Re: gEDA-user: Preliminary release of Install CD

2006-07-31 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
Stuart, Copied cd to home dir and running from there. Is there a way to install just the gspiceui? George On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 15:41 -0400, Stuart Brorson wrote: George -- Try this: 1. Mount the CD in the usual place: su -c "mount -o exec /media/cdrom" (or whatever magical incantatio

Re: gEDA-user: Preliminary release of Install CD

2006-07-31 Thread Stuart Brorson
George -- Try this: 1. Mount the CD in the usual place: su -c "mount -o exec /media/cdrom" (or whatever magical incantation works for you) 2. Cd to your home directory and run the CD from there: cd ~ /media/cdrom/installer --log This will drop the Install.log file into your local director

Re: gEDA-user: Preliminary release of Install CD

2006-07-31 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
Stuart, I am using Fedora Core 4. Can't run "installer --log" from CD!!! George On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 15:11 -0400, Stuart Brorson wrote: George -- WHat Linux distro are you using? Also, please run the installer with the --log flag set & send me the resulting Install.log file. Stuart O

Re: gEDA-user: gattrib crashes when window is resized

2006-07-31 Thread Stuart Brorson
Thanks. I reproduced the bug on my machine. Then I fixed it and put the fix into CVS. Please grab it and try it out and let me know how it goes. Stuart On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Taylor Jones wrote: On 7/31/06, Stuart Brorson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not sure if this is a known problem?

Re: gEDA-user: Preliminary release of Install CD

2006-07-31 Thread Stuart Brorson
George -- WHat Linux distro are you using? Also, please run the installer with the --log flag set & send me the resulting Install.log file. Stuart On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, George M. Gallant, Jr. wrote: Stuart, I am hung while installing the 7/30 iso. Installing on a slow dual cpu system. One c

Re: gEDA-user: Preliminary release of Install CD

2006-07-31 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
Stuart, I am hung while installing the 7/30 iso. Installing on a slow dual cpu system. One cpu is 100% busy in install.exe. No other jobs running. Last log message complained about unable to install gspiceui with unresolved symbols starting with "xw". Also just got a page of junk after the fo

Re: gEDA-user: gattrib crashes when window is resized

2006-07-31 Thread Taylor Jones
On 7/31/06, Stuart Brorson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not sure if this is a known problem? Everything else seems to work fine.> I'm running on an up-to-date Gentoo box. I've attached a gdb backtrace.> Any help would be appreciated. Or even pointing me in the right > direction to solve the problem

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread Levente
Note that you should put into the README.* that automake 1.9.x is required, hence I tested with 1.7, and it was not working properly. Levente -- http://web.interware.hu/lekovacs pgpeaMPoI4CD6.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ geda-user mailing lis

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
Thanks. Built without error. However, I still think that the cvs (or any other release mechanism) should build without intervention. George On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 11:13 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > Take a look at README.cvs which gives specific instructions about > tracking cvs sources. In p

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Monday 31 July 2006 15:54, Stuart Brorson wrote: > George -- > > When you pull stuff out of CVS you usually need to use the automake > tools before doing configure. The easiest way to do that is to run > autogen.sh (assuming it exists) like this: > The GNU docs recommend using autoreconf, if y

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread DJ Delorie
> Take a look at README.cvs which gives specific instructions about > tracking cvs sources. In particular, you either need to disable > building the docs or enable maintainer mode. We got to that place > after many headaches over makeinfo version problems. So, do we want maintainer mode to enab

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread Dan McMahill
DJ Delorie wrote: puller.png & thermal.png appear to be missing in cvs. They're built by the Makefile, so they're not supposed to be in cvs. Note that doing so requires you have the PNG portion of the "gd" library, so that you can build a src/pcb-bin that supports the png HID. Yes, all of

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread Stuart Brorson
George -- When you pull stuff out of CVS you usually need to use the automake tools before doing configure. The easiest way to do that is to run autogen.sh (assuming it exists) like this: rm -rf pcb cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/pcb login cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/pc

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread DJ Delorie
Ah, I see it. We have a maintainer-mode conditional much earlier on that hides the dependencies, so while we have a rule to build it, we don't know that we should. If you configure with "--enable-maintainer-mode" it whould build. Dan, how do we want to handle this? ___

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
DJ, The only log file is config.log. Restarted from scratch:     rm -rf pcb     cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/pcb login     cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/pcb co pcb     cd pcb     ./configure     make The following is the last few lines of the make output George Ma

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread DJ Delorie
> Executing make from the top level fails without these files. I > copied them from 20060422 to get past the problem. Either they are > needed or the make file needs reflect the current condition. That's odd. The Makefile has an unconditional rule to build them: .pcb.png : ../src/pcb-bi

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
Executing make from the top level fails without these files. I copied them from 20060422 to get past the problem. Either they are needed or the make file needs reflect the current condition. George On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 10:08 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > puller.png & thermal.png appear to b

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread DJ Delorie
> > puller.png & thermal.png appear to be missing in cvs. > They're built by the Makefile, so they're not supposed to be in cvs. Note that doing so requires you have the PNG portion of the "gd" library, so that you can build a src/pcb-bin that supports the png HID. Yes, all of our illustrations

Re: gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread DJ Delorie
> puller.png & thermal.png appear to be missing in cvs. They're built by the Makefile, so they're not supposed to be in cvs. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

gEDA-user: PCB from cvs

2006-07-31 Thread George M. Gallant, Jr.
puller.png & thermal.png appear to be missing in cvs. George ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Importing Orcad (or other) symbols into gschem

2006-07-31 Thread Patrick Doyle
On 7/31/06, Stuart Brorson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought I read somewhere that it was possible to import symbols into > gschem that were made for other schematic capture programs. Am I > misremembering this? I can't find any references to it now. smash_megafile Written by: Mik

Re: gEDA-user: Importing Orcad (or other) symbols into gschem

2006-07-31 Thread Stuart Brorson
I thought I read somewhere that it was possible to import symbols into gschem that were made for other schematic capture programs. Am I misremembering this? I can't find any references to it now. smash_megafile Written by: Mike Jarabek, [EMAIL PROTECTED] smash_megafile is a C pr

Re: gEDA-user: gattrib crashes when window is resized

2006-07-31 Thread Stuart Brorson
Not sure if this is a known problem? Everything else seems to work fine. I'm running on an up-to-date Gentoo box. I've attached a gdb backtrace. Any help would be appreciated. Or even pointing me in the right direction to solve the problem myself. I checked out the latest CVS code and poked around