Re: gEDA-user: How to have two installations of PCB at once

2006-12-19 Thread Dan McMahill
John Griessen wrote: John Griessen wrote: I have two different pcb programs installed now. I used .configure --prefix=/opt/pcbhead --enable-maintainer-mode make make install for one, and PATH leads to both /opt/pcb/bin:/opt/pcbhead/bin The other installed PCB was made with ./configure --p

Re: gEDA-user: Mask clearences on vias

2006-12-19 Thread DJ Delorie
> Sounds like badly defined footprints. Check how you defined your > soldermask clearance. Vias? Also, mask clearance is one of those things that each fab defines a minimum for, so I've gotten into the habit of checking mask clearance for each board. I added an action for it, too... MinMaskGa

Re: gEDA-user: Mask clearences on vias

2006-12-19 Thread Stuart Brorson
I'm running the 20060907 release of the gEDA tools. I'm getting complaints from board houses that the vias placed on the board (either auto or manual) have no solder mask clearance (i.e. the vias and the mask diameters are the same). Sounds like badly defined footprints. Check how you defined

Re: gEDA-user: Mask clearences on vias

2006-12-19 Thread DJ Delorie
> I'm running the 20060907 release of the gEDA tools. I'm getting > complaints from board houses that the vias placed on the board > (either auto or manual) have no solder mask clearance (i.e. the vias > and the mask diameters are the same). Have you tried viewing the mask? Just enable the mask

gEDA-user: Mask clearences on vias

2006-12-19 Thread Harold D. Skank
People, I'm running the 20060907 release of the gEDA tools. I'm getting complaints from board houses that the vias placed on the board (either auto or manual) have no solder mask clearance (i.e. the vias and the mask diameters are the same). I realize that I can modify this situation by manually

Re: gEDA-user: Re: hierarchy of schematics

2006-12-19 Thread John Luciani
On 12/19/06, Kai-Martin Knaak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:09:05 -0500, John Luciani wrote: >> It would be very useful to have the subsheet symbol generated by some kind >> of script. Has anybody done this before? > > My sch-matrix script (http://www.luciani.org/geda/util/ma

gEDA-user: Re: hierarchy of schematics

2006-12-19 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:09:05 -0500, John Luciani wrote: >> It would be very useful to have the subsheet symbol generated by some kind >> of script. Has anybody done this before? > > My sch-matrix script (http://www.luciani.org/geda/util/matrix.html) creates > copies of a schematic with updated re

Re: gEDA-user: Re: hierarchy of schematics

2006-12-19 Thread John Luciani
On 12/19/06, Kai-Martin Knaak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Come to think of it: Creation of a subsheet symbol seems to me quite a laborious task. I need to manually create and rename pins for every port. My diode laser project involves ten sheets with numerous connections... It would be very usefu

gEDA-user: Re: hierarchy of schematics

2006-12-19 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 22:01:44 +0100, Werner Hoch wrote: >> Finally a decent way to define master sheet. > > Little bit more than that. You can reference a subcircuit multiple > times. How does gschem2pcb deal with this? Does it include the components of the subsheet multiple times? If so, does i

gEDA-user: Re: tragesym.py question

2006-12-19 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:18:45 -0500, Stuart Brorson wrote: > * Make sure gafrc lives in your main project directory. > * Run all gEDA programs from your main project directory. > * Run the programs from the command line in a terminal >shell -- don't use any whizzy, shiny desktop icons to run

RE: gEDA-user: tragesym.py question

2006-12-19 Thread Ostheller, Joel A.
Solved! Ahhh... =) I would be willing to bet my issue was with the "./dir_name". I believe I tried $HOME, ~, dir_name, with the origional gschemrc file. Had I tried ./dir_name it probably would have worked. It is nice to know that gschemrc has been dated with gafrc. Thank you Additionally... Thank

Re: gEDA-user: tragesym.py question

2006-12-19 Thread Stuart Brorson
Please put all of this into the FAQ ... it's quite non-obvious! First I want to hear that it solves the OP's problem. BTW: I found a misdirection in my original post. Here's a cleaned up version which I can stick on the wiki -- assuming it works for the OP. 1. Create a project directory, f

Re: gEDA-user: tragesym.py question

2006-12-19 Thread Andy Peters
On Dec 19, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Stuart Brorson wrote: I am not sure if the "~" gets resolved. You may want to try "${HOME}/user/trunk/symbols" This also had no effect. Neither ~ nor ${HOME} will get resolved by guile. Use "." That is, do this: 1. I assmue your project directory is ${HOME}/

RE: gEDA-user: tragesym.py question

2006-12-19 Thread Stuart Brorson
I am not sure if the "~" gets resolved. You may want to try "${HOME}/user/trunk/symbols" This also had no effect. Neither ~ nor ${HOME} will get resolved by guile. Use "." That is, do this: 1. I assmue your project directory is ${HOME}/user/trunk. If not, then make it so from now on out.

RE: gEDA-user: tragesym.py question

2006-12-19 Thread Ostheller, Joel A.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:geda-user- > > On 12/19/06, Ostheller, Joel A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Semi related... I am having a difficult time getting gschem to recognize > my > > symbols. Steps I have taken... 1. Created directory "symbols" 2. Create

Re: gEDA-user: tragesym.py question

2006-12-19 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi Joel, On Tuesday 19 December 2006 21:50, Ostheller, Joel A. wrote: > The version I was running is the version that was available on > http://www.h-renrew.de/h/tragesym/tragesym.html . I think I'll forward that page to the wiki, which is more up to date: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:tragesym

Re: gEDA-user: Re: hierarchy of schematics

2006-12-19 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi Kai-Martin, On Sunday 17 December 2006 17:22, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:45:21 +0100, Werner Hoch wrote: > > How does it work? > > If a symbol has a attribute source, then hierarchy down will follow > > that source. > > Ah! :-) > Thanks for hinting! > Finally a decent way

Re: gEDA-user: tragesym.py question

2006-12-19 Thread John Luciani
On 12/19/06, Ostheller, Joel A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Semi related... I am having a difficult time getting gschem to recognize my symbols. Steps I have taken... 1. Created directory "symbols" 2. Created file in the project directory named "gschemrc" 3. gschemrc has command component-library

Re: gEDA-user: hierarchy of schematics

2006-12-19 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi Martin, On Sunday 17 December 2006 14:54, Martin Habets wrote: > On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 01:45:21PM +0100, Werner Hoch wrote: > > How does it work? > > If a symbol has a attribute source, then hierarchy down will follow > > that source. > > Does this mean I could create heavier symbols by sourc

RE: gEDA-user: tragesym.py question

2006-12-19 Thread Ostheller, Joel A.
Thanks Werner- The version I was running is the version that was available on http://www.h-renrew.de/h/tragesym/tragesym.html . I missed the fact that it is now included in the gEDA package, and thanks to your email I am now running 0.0.9 which was included in the gEDA package I installed. Thanks

Re: gEDA-user: licensing (GPL or otherwise) for hardware?

2006-12-19 Thread DJ Delorie
> I also don't think you can verbatum copy someones schematics and > re-layout the board without violating the schematics copyright. I think you can if you don't copy or redistribute the schematic itself. IANAL, but I think the schematic as a *published work* (printout or file), is protected by

Re: gEDA-user: licensing (GPL or otherwise) for hardware?

2006-12-19 Thread Steve Meier
Think about it this way. Can I take a best selling novel scan it into an electronic file, change the font and then publish it? I don't think so. I also don't think you can verbatum copy someones schematics and re-layout the board without violating the schematics copyright. Anyone who releases a ver

Re: gEDA-user: licensing (GPL or otherwise) for hardware?

2006-12-19 Thread DJ Delorie
> I think the printed circuit board itself can have a copyright. Yeah, that's the tricky question. The board *as made* may be copyright-protected, but the *circuit* on the board may not be. So, if you take Ronja's schematics and do your own layout, the resulting board may not be illegal, but co

Re: gEDA-user: licensing (GPL or otherwise) for hardware?

2006-12-19 Thread Steve Meier
I think the printed circuit board itself can have a copyright. Therefore, copies of it can not legally be made except for "fair use". What "fair use" is for a pcb I have no idea. Certainly building and selling copies would be a violation of US law. It would be up to the copyright holder to seek an

Re: gEDA-user: How to have two installations of PCB at once

2006-12-19 Thread John Griessen
John Griessen wrote: http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/john_griessen/ Has a howto on this now. JG PS I did not have to use a password, and it involved 5 commits to correct typos and html mistakes till it was right... about a minute and a half.

gEDA-user: How to have two installations of PCB at once

2006-12-19 Thread John Griessen
John Griessen wrote: I have two different pcb programs installed now. I used .configure --prefix=/opt/pcbhead --enable-maintainer-mode make make install for one, and PATH leads to both /opt/pcb/bin:/opt/pcbhead/bin The other installed PCB was made with ./configure --prefix=/opt/pcb --disa

Re: gEDA-user: tragesym.py question

2006-12-19 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi Joel, On Tuesday 19 December 2006 19:09, Ostheller, Joel A. wrote: > I am running Python 2.3.4 on RHL 2.6.9-42.0.3.ELsmp #1 SMP Mon Sep 25 > 17:24:31 EDT 2006 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > I ran the command below, and received the error below: > > --- cut --

Re: gEDA-user: licensing (GPL or otherwise) for hardware?

2006-12-19 Thread John Griessen
> He didn't actually copy the schematic. He just built devices according to it, > added his own mechanics, and sold it without giving the sources to the > mechanics to that people. That's not illegal even is US then as you say. > > CL< DJ Delorie wrote: That's not illegal even is US then as you

Re: gEDA-user: licensing (GPL or otherwise) for hardware?

2006-12-19 Thread DJ Delorie
> >> That's not illegal even is US then as you say. > > > > Right, unless you patented it. > > Even if it was patented. It would still be illegal. They just wouldn't get caught. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org

gEDA-user: tragesym.py question

2006-12-19 Thread Ostheller, Joel A.
Hey guys- I am running Python 2.3.4 on RHL 2.6.9-42.0.3.ELsmp #1 SMP Mon Sep 25 17:24:31 EDT 2006 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux I ran the command below, and received the error below: --- cut - $./tragesym.py tests/test1.src max1684.sym sys:1: DeprecationWa

Re: gEDA-user: licensing (GPL or otherwise) for hardware?

2006-12-19 Thread Andy Peters
On Dec 19, 2006, at 10:38 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: That's not illegal even is US then as you say. Right, unless you patented it. Even if it was patented. The patent hold would have to defend the patent. -a ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@m

Re: gEDA-user: licensing (GPL or otherwise) for hardware?

2006-12-19 Thread DJ Delorie
> That's not illegal even is US then as you say. Right, unless you patented it. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: licensing (GPL or otherwise) for hardware?

2006-12-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 02:26:44PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > It happened in CZ that someone did this with my Ronja and I was > > pissed and I thought what he did was illegal. But looked into the > > law and finally understood electronics design cannot be protected by > > copyright there, so i