Re: gEDA-user: OT: Opencores CORDIC - bugs?

2007-03-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Peter Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: gEDA-user: OT: Opencores CORDIC - bugs? Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:14:19 + Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi, Peter, > I was just curios if anyone on list has used the open-cores cordic VHDL. Haven't played with that. Haven't had the need s

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Opencores CORDIC - bugs?

2007-03-09 Thread Darrell Harmon
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 08:51:37PM -0800, Ben Jackson wrote: > On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 04:14:19AM +, Peter Clifton wrote: > > > Perhaps the best way is for me to keep the cordic operating in the > > 0<->45 degree angle range, rather than the -45<->45 I've been using so > > far. > > I thought

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Opencores CORDIC - bugs?

2007-03-09 Thread Darrell Harmon
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 04:14:19AM +, Peter Clifton wrote: > Does anyone per chance know an efficient hardware algorithm which can > produce the same /2 results for +ve and -ve twos complement numbers? > > Depending on which stage in the cordic pipeline, the shift may be up to > one less than

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Opencores CORDIC - bugs?

2007-03-09 Thread Ben Jackson
On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 04:14:19AM +, Peter Clifton wrote: > > In twos complement - for the specific implementation used at least - > which sign extends with the original MSB: > > -2 >> 1 == -1 > -1 >> 1 == -1 > (etc..) > > Clearly this is different from the behaviour

gEDA-user: OT: Opencores CORDIC - bugs?

2007-03-09 Thread Peter Clifton
Hi, I was just curios if anyone on list has used the open-cores cordic VHDL. I'm using it to generate a reference waveform for a PWM generator, and have been bashing my head against the wall with little oddities and glitches like different results for +ve and -ve angles (which should read the same

Re: gEDA-user: pcb program

2007-03-09 Thread Harry Eaton
I've fixed the problem in rats.c; Just grab the latest cvs. h. --- Seb James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In that case I have the changes you made, and I am > still seeing the rats > nest problem. No need

gEDA-user: Google Summer of Code on gEDA Webpages

2007-03-09 Thread Stuart Brorson
Dan started a set of webpages about the gEDA Project's participation in Google's Summer of Code. I finished them off and have posted them on the main gEDA site. If you are interested in participating in the Summer of Code, and want to work on a gEDA Project, please browse over to: http://geda.s

Re: gEDA-user: ERP Systems

2007-03-09 Thread Andy Peters
On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:04 AM, Jeff VR wrote: I'm very interested to see how your evaluation turns out. I watched some of the demos of TinyERP and it looks like it will meet my needs. I'm not sure I need as much material management as your looking for. I'm mainly looking for something to t

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread joeft
DJ Delorie wrote: I think one good way to approach this would be to pitch the *file format*, not the software...at first. The industry has proven that it will standardize on file formats (witness Gerber RS-274X) if they work well. Granted the Gerber format (as far as I know) really be

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 9, 2007, at 3:19 PM, David Kerber wrote: Actually, I've often thought that we should advertise gEDA to the big chip guys as a method to distribute reference designs -- schematics, layouts, and Gerbers. I think one good way to approach this would be to pitch the *file format*, not

Re: gEDA-user: pcb program

2007-03-09 Thread Seb James
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 12:42 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > In that case I have the changes you made, and I am still seeing the rats > > nest problem. > > Your clip.h looks like this? > > /* --- > * prototypes > */ > > /* Cli

RE: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread David Kerber
> > Actually, I've often thought that we should advertise gEDA > to the big > > chip guys as a method to distribute reference designs -- > schematics, > > layouts, and Gerbers. > >I think one good way to approach this would be to pitch > the *file format*, not the software...at fi

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread Michael Sokolov
Stuart Brorson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I've often thought that we should advertise gEDA to the big > chip guys as a method to distribute reference designs -- schematics, > layouts, and Gerbers. Yeah, right... When you find a chip vendor like that, please let me know. Anyone care

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
>I think one good way to approach this would be to pitch the *file > format*, not the software...at first. The industry has proven that > it will standardize on file formats (witness Gerber RS-274X) if they > work well. Granted the Gerber format (as far as I know) really > became wel

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 9, 2007, at 7:33 AM, Stuart Brorson wrote: Since it's quite common to get reference designs that include gerbers, I was wondering if it would be feasible to to convert these back into, effectively, a pcb footprint. Actually, I've often thought that we should advertise gEDA to the big c

Re: gEDA-user: pcb program

2007-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> In that case I have the changes you made, and I am still seeing the rats > nest problem. Your clip.h looks like this? /* --- * prototypes */ /* Clip X,Y to the given bounding box, plus a margin. Returns TRUE if ther

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread Seb James
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 11:22 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > I forgot to ask. Why are the meetings called "freedog" meetings? > > Free EDA Users Group. > > Technically, it's freeedaug. > > http://www.freeedaug.org/ > Thanks, all, for the explanations. __

Re: gEDA-user: pcb program

2007-03-09 Thread Seb James
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 11:20 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > I don't seem to be able to get this latest code from anonymous cvs - but > > then you can only have checked it in about 6 hours ago. There used to be > > a lag between what was available to anonymous cvs users and dev cvs > > users on sourcef

gEDA-user: Re: gEDA-announce: Information about Google Summer of Code and the gEDA Project

2007-03-09 Thread Stephen Williams
Stuart Brorson wrote: > * Any open-source organization can have several proposed projects for > a Google-supported student to work on. The list of projects is being > formulated and will be posted on the gEDA website soon. Once that's > done, students are invited to apply to work on one or anoth

Re: gEDA-user: Questions concerning footprints and libraries

2007-03-09 Thread Ryan Seal
2. Under the pcblib-newlib directory, there are two locations for the 1206.fp footprint; 1) geda and 2) generic. Is this a problem and how does PCB handle this? PCB doesn't. When you load from the library, you specify exactly which one you want. Once it's loaded, there'

Re: gEDA-user: Questions concerning footprints and libraries

2007-03-09 Thread Ryan Seal
What I do is I place all of the footprints I have reviewed in a single directory and I only use footprints from that directory. I have a shell script called sch2pcb which contains the lines --- #!/bin/bash gsch2pcb --use-files --elements-dir /local/lan/pcb/packages $@ Only footprints from the

Re: gEDA-user: Questions concerning footprints and libraries

2007-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> 1. In the schematic should I use "footprint=1206.fp" or > "footprint=1206" ? Does the ".fp" extension designate the newer footprints? .fp is a convention I added when I set up gedasymbols.org, as the web server needed some standard suffix in order to add a handler for them. So far, nothing t

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> I forgot to ask. Why are the meetings called "freedog" meetings? Free EDA Users Group. Technically, it's freeedaug. http://www.freeedaug.org/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-use

Re: gEDA-user: pcb program

2007-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> So a possible workaround would be to get myself a 64 bit computer? The problem is caused by the X protocol using 16 bits to hold coordinate values. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda

Re: gEDA-user: pcb program

2007-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> I don't seem to be able to get this latest code from anonymous cvs - but > then you can only have checked it in about 6 hours ago. There used to be > a lag between what was available to anonymous cvs users and dev cvs > users on sourceforge, don't know that's still true. Likely still true. > W

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> The thumbnails are too small to see anything, and the large version > take long time to load. Could you add a size in-between for us who > just want to see what is going on and not measure the width of the > PCB-tracks :-) I recompressed them with the Gimp, they're about 1/3 the file size for t

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread DJ Delorie
> The furnace controller board looks nice. Appears that the rj45 is in > the wrong spot ?? The ethernet board is stacked on top of the gumstix, which is stacked on top of the furnace board. The prototype (which is what you see) has the RJ45 still on the ethernet board. The one that ends up in

Re: gEDA-user: Questions concerning footprints and libraries

2007-03-09 Thread John Griessen
Like that one John! Just copied it into my workflow. Thanks, John G John Luciani wrote: I have a shell script called sch2pcb which contains the lines --- #!/bin/bash gsch2pcb --use-files --elements-dir /local/lan/pcb/packages $@ Only footprints from the directory /local/lan/pcb/packages ar

Re: gEDA-user: gerber import (was: freedog pictures)

2007-03-09 Thread Stuart Brorson
In the past we have discussed creating a utility which would read a Gerber file and output either a .pcb or a .fp file corresponding to the contents of the Gerber. I know gerber is vector format, so this is possible, but how close are we to being able to do this? Are there any first attempts at

gEDA-user: gerber import (was: freedog pictures)

2007-03-09 Thread John Griessen
Since gEDA is completely free (both cost-free and open source), it's a good, neutral vehicle for chip vendors to distribute reference designs. In the past we have discussed creating a utility which would read a Gerber file and output either a .pcb or a .fp file corresponding to the contents

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread John Griessen
"daug" is more properly pronounced "dawg", which is an American hillbilly way of pronouncing the word. But since we're Yankees (i.e. Bostonians), we say "dog". :-) Stuart Those New Yorkers might say it like free-dug -- three syllables. John Griessen Austin TX where we might say it free

gEDA-user: Information about Google Summer of Code and the gEDA Project

2007-03-09 Thread Stuart Brorson
Greetings gEDA users -- I thought I'd post some information about what we're planning on doing for Google's Summer of Code. Over the last 24 hours we have gotten our act together to participate in the SoC. First off, the Summer of Code works this way: * Any open-source organization can have

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread John Luciani
On 3/9/07, Peter Baxendale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That board is the Zigbee radio board for my MSP430F169 board. The DB-9 is > an RS-232 port (the uC board has a USB port). The T-shaped trace is a > folded dipole > that should match the Chipcon 2500 reference design. I do not see a TO220 ;-)

Re: gEDA-user: Questions concerning footprints and libraries

2007-03-09 Thread John Luciani
On 3/9/07, Ryan Seal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have noticed there are more than a few duplicated footprints sprinkled throughout the footprint libraries ? I can go in and make custom footprints for everything but that kind of defeats the purpose. Is there a particular directory that I should

gEDA-user: Questions concerning footprints and libraries

2007-03-09 Thread Ryan Seal
I am trying to use a "1206" smd footprint in my schematic and have the following questions: 1. In the schematic should I use "footprint=1206.fp" or "footprint=1206" ? Does the ".fp" extension designate the newer footprints? 2. Under the pcblib-newlib directory, there are two locations for t

Re: gEDA-user: cvs version of pcb seems to be missing some documentation image files

2007-03-09 Thread Stuart Brorson
This is a common problem. IIRC, you need to configure the CVS version of PCB with the --enable-maintainer-mode flag set. Stuart On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Seb James wrote: The CVS version of pcb didn't compile for me after a cvs checkout. After checkout I did an "autoreconf -is" configured fine,

gEDA-user: cvs version of pcb seems to be missing some documentation image files

2007-03-09 Thread Seb James
The CVS version of pcb didn't compile for me after a cvs checkout. After checkout I did an "autoreconf -is" configured fine, but make failed. The problem was in the doc/ directory - the *.gif and *.eps and *.png files were missing. Not a big deal; I put the files there from the distributed versi

gEDA-user: List of PCB (and gnetlist) troubles

2007-03-09 Thread Seb James
Hello all, Here's a summary of the problems I'm having, with some links to examples. One. Crashing bug related to rats nests in lesstif version of pcb - The pcb file: http://www.esfnet.co.uk/geda/pedio.pcb for which you'll need the

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread Peter Baxendale
> Since gEDA is completely free (both cost-free and open source), it's a > good, neutral vehicle for chip vendors to distribute reference > designs. Any engineer who wants to use the reference design can grab > the tools off teh web, open the reference design file, > and make immediate use of the

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread Peter Baxendale
> A different point: In the past we have discussed creating a utility > which would read a Gerber file and output either a .pcb or a .fp file > corresponding to the contents of the Gerber. Maybe the utility could > be instructed to know which file is associated with which PCB layer? > In any even

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread Stuart Brorson
Since it's quite common to get reference designs that include gerbers, I was wondering if it would be feasible to to convert these back into, effectively, a pcb footprint. Actually, I've often thought that we should advertise gEDA to the big chip guys as a method to distribute reference designs

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread Patrick Doyle
Since it's quite common to get reference designs that include gerbers, I was wondering if it would be feasible to to convert these back into, effectively, a pcb footprint. I'd have thought there was enough information in the gerber and drill files to do this - but I admit I haven't thought it thro

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread Stuart Brorson
Just a couple of photos from tonight's meeting... http://www.delorie.com/photos/20070308-freedog/ I forgot to ask. Why are the meetings called "freedog" meetings? It's the Free EDA User's Group => FreeEDAUG => Free Dog. Acutally, this spelling of "daug" is more properly pronounced "dawg", w

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread Peter Baxendale
> That board is the Zigbee radio board for my MSP430F169 board. The DB-9 is > an RS-232 port (the uC board has a USB port). The T-shaped trace is a > folded dipole > that should match the Chipcon 2500 reference design. I do not see a TO220 ;-) I'd be interested to know how you copied the reference

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread Seb James
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 23:17 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > Just a couple of photos from tonight's meeting... > > http://www.delorie.com/photos/20070308-freedog/ > I forgot to ask. Why are the meetings called "freedog" meetings? ___ geda-user mailing lis

Re: gEDA-user: pcb program

2007-03-09 Thread Seb James
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 00:59 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > With the advent of hid that was removed and now zooming in runs the > > risk of overflow with its unlimited zoom capability. > > > Third is it's time to put proper clipping into the hid > > drawing routines. > > I've re-added basic line cli

Re: gEDA-user: pcb program

2007-03-09 Thread Seb James
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 16:19 -0800, Harry Eaton wrote: > I noticed the problem is occuring during an extremely > high zoom in. pcb used to have code to clip the zoomed > lines to the screen in order to prevent integer > overflow. With the advent of hid that was removed and > now zooming in runs the

Re: gEDA-user: freedog pictures

2007-03-09 Thread John Luciani
On 3/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Also, there is this intriguing board with a db-9, to-220 and some totally elegant T-shaped trace ... what is it? Cool! That board is the Zigbee radio board for my MSP430F169 board. The DB-9 is an RS-232 port (the uC board has a USB port)

Re: gEDA-user: pcb program

2007-03-09 Thread Seb James
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 00:59 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > With the advent of hid that was removed and now zooming in runs the > > risk of overflow with its unlimited zoom capability. > > > Third is it's time to put proper clipping into the hid > > drawing routines. > > I've re-added basic line cli