Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread L.J.H. Timmerman
Hi Al and all on the list, A question comes to mind: are we going to change the naming scheme of the symbols, as for now this is like "name-1.sym". If not, the search order may become an issue for identical named symbols. If yes, and if a following naming scheme like "04-04-01.sym" would be used

gEDA-user: New gnucap development snapshot 2007-03-29

2007-03-30 Thread al davis
There is a new development snapshot of gnucap available. There's a package at: http://www.gnucap.org/devel/gnucap-2007-03-29.tar.gz or http://geda.seul.org/dist/gnucap-2007-03-29.tar.gz Models have also been updated: http://www.gnucap.org/devel/gnucap-2007-03-29-bsim-models.tar.gz http://www.gnuc

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:09 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Have a numeric keypad for setting the alarm time. And since we're all geeks, you only need two buttons anyway. Or one, if you know morse code. --. . . -.- ! -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL _

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread DJ Delorie
> think of the other person in your bed... She has her own alarm clock. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread Steven Michalske
think of the other person in your bed... On Mar 30, 2007, at 7:09 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Have a numeric keypad for setting the alarm time. And since we're all geeks, you only need two buttons anyway. Or one, if you know morse code. ___ geda-

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread DJ Delorie
> Have a numeric keypad for setting the alarm time. And since we're all geeks, you only need two buttons anyway. Or one, if you know morse code. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-use

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread Steven Michalske
Have a numeric keypad for setting the alarm time. I don't want to have to use a computer to set the alarm, hence the local keypad. I hate holding the buttons to loop through time. Steve On Mar 30, 2007, at 6:45 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: how about an adjustment based on weather. That way if I'

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread DJ Delorie
> how about an adjustment based on weather. That way if I'm planning on > doing the 2 mile hike into my favorite fishing spot I won't be woken up > at 4:30 if its raining hard! Ok, so we need something that can run embedded linux (or other OS), with LCD, ethernet, audio. A gumstix can do all

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread Dan McMahill
Randall Nortman wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 09:05:06PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: I know everybody's got a long list of projects tucked away in the back corner of a desk... Is there one that you'd like a jump-start on? Clock radio with ethernet (ntp, remote alarm set, wake up to mp3s, etc).

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread DJ Delorie
> While we are at it, it should make good toast and it should include > a built-in e-mail client. :) Or at least, an LCD display with your day's schedule and weather report. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread DJ Delorie
> I've been thinking the same thing, except the key feature I'm after > is a morning alertness test: to turn off the alarm, you have to play > a game of "simon", repeating some random pattern on four buttons, or > maybe even doing some math or something. The point of all that is > that I too ofte

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] > >And don't forget automatic weekday/weekend adjustments. > While we are at it, it should make good toast and it should include a built-in e-mail client.:) -Ales ___ geda-user mailin

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread Randall Nortman
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 09:05:06PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > I know everybody's got a long list of projects tucked away in the > > back corner of a desk... Is there one that you'd like a jump-start > > on? > > Clock radio with ethernet (ntp, remote alarm set, wake up to mp3s, > etc). Mine i

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread DJ Delorie
> I know everybody's got a long list of projects tucked away in the > back corner of a desk... Is there one that you'd like a jump-start > on? Clock radio with ethernet (ntp, remote alarm set, wake up to mp3s, etc). Mine is a couple of decades old, time for an upgrade.

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread John Griessen
Jason Aron wrote: Does anyone have some good ideas for me? I'm a hardware guy with lots of experience in building radios and audio systems (RF and audio). Are you interested in Akustica digital microphones? I"ve got a back burner want to see what their power draws are, and how their datastre

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread Dan McMahill
Peter Clifton wrote: All in all, it seems like a pretty pointless standard if we can't make a free symbol library from it. (Or even one which looks similar, but doesn't bear the standard's name). no kidding. Luckily I don't have to use any symbol set that anyone could come even close to call

Re: gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread Dan McMahill
Jason Aron wrote: Hey anyone I've been using geda for about six months and I think I'm about done with my current project (I get the final boards next week). So while I'm waiting for my boards, I'm thinking about what I'm going to do next... and I'm drawing a complete blank. Does anyone have s

gEDA-user: Looking for a project

2007-03-30 Thread Jason Aron
Hey anyone I've been using geda for about six months and I think I'm about done with my current project (I get the final boards next week). So while I'm waiting for my boards, I'm thinking about what I'm going to do next... and I'm drawing a complete blank. Does anyone have some good ideas f

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread al davis
On Friday 30 March 2007 18:30, al davis wrote: > Just do it different.  Try to outclass them. I forgot and explicitly grant permission to implement our "standard" to everyone, in hopes that they do. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seu

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread al davis
On Friday 30 March 2007 15:42, Steve Meier wrote: > The following areas are covered in the database: >  1. Conductors and connecting devices >  2. Basic passive components >  3. Semiconductors and electron tubes >  4. Production and conversion of electrical energy >  5. Switchgear, controlgear and

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread Steve Meier
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 18:05 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: > I've no idea what the scope of the IEC standard is. Standard electronic > components appear to be covered, as do control system components. We'd > need people familiar in various fields to submit symbols (or > descriptions). Assuming the re

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 19:41 +0200, kmk wrote: > Imagine a copyrighted alphabet ;-) > > Bottom line: Non-open standards should be avoided if possible. Ha... I was thinking about drawing the parallel between symbols and fonts which has been made before! Keeping the parallel, the "Alphabet" is es

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 13:19 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > The Licensing would want to be as free as possible, so "Open" > > standard doesn't mean "non-commercial". > > Since I work for Red Hat, I'm sensitive to the difference between > "commercial" and "proprietary". You can be commercial and full

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread kmk
Peter Clifton wrote: > All in all, it seems like a pretty pointless standard if we can't make a > free symbol library from it. Ack. Methinks, an enforced copyright or any other interlectual property on a standard defeats its purpose. A standard is the collective attempt of those who conform to i

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread DJ Delorie
> The Licensing would want to be as free as possible, so "Open" > standard doesn't mean "non-commercial". Since I work for Red Hat, I'm sensitive to the difference between "commercial" and "proprietary". You can be commercial and fully open, but you can't be proprietary and fully open. ___

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 08:56 -0800, Steve Meier wrote: > IANAL but I did find this web site interesting and relevent > > > http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/database.html > > > I believe that the IEC database itself can will not be covered by > copyright since the materials lack originality. The f

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 08:13 -0700, Harry Eaton wrote: > --- Peter Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Does anyone care to comment / speculate how much a > > standard can cover by > > Copyright? Whether symbols looking similar (or the > > same, even) are in > > breach of Copyright? If one symbol

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread Steve Meier
IANAL but I did find this web site interesting and relevent http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/database.html I believe that the IEC database itself can will not be covered by copyright since the materials lack originality. The fact that they have a symbol for resistor and that symbol might be copy

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread Harry Eaton
--- Peter Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone care to comment / speculate how much a > standard can cover by > Copyright? Whether symbols looking similar (or the > same, even) are in > breach of Copyright? If one symbol on its own isn't, > is there some > "literary work" in the databa

Re: gEDA-user: gEDA vs commercial product

2007-03-30 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2007-03-29 at 23:59 +0200, Alessandro Baretta wrote: > [snip] But it has features I need and cannot do without: a full > standards compliant library of IEC components, a notion of modular components > (think of a relay, where the solenoid appears on one page and each of the > contacts