Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Duncan Drennan
> Works now! Thanks, guys. I find it a bit clumsy to have to change > directories and call gschem from there but hey, at least it works. You can also use the global gafrc which is under your home directory in .gEDA. If you add a gafrc there is will apply to all schematics that you open. If you add

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: >> Yes, you need that first-time load feature. Most folks use a header. > > The R8C family has a standard header for programming, too, but adding > the $2.65 USB chip means you don't need any $150 custom hardware (the > standard debugging/flashing pod) to program the device - jus

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> Yes, you need that first-time load feature. Most folks use a header. The R8C family has a standard header for programming, too, but adding the $2.65 USB chip means you don't need any $150 custom hardware (the standard debugging/flashing pod) to program the device - just a USB cable. _

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: >> I don't know the R8C. But for other uC such as the MSP430 you can >> write a little "Delorie-Bootloader" that works without the >> manufacturer prescribed HW-handles. > > Yup, the R8Cs can "flash from within" also. The problem is, this > doesn't let me flash it the *first* ti

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> I don't know the R8C. But for other uC such as the MSP430 you can > write a little "Delorie-Bootloader" that works without the > manufacturer prescribed HW-handles. Yup, the R8Cs can "flash from within" also. The problem is, this doesn't let me flash it the *first* time, or debug the bootloade

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: >> Of course, the super deluxe solution would be PoE but that is a recipe >> for project drag because now you'd have to add a litte switch-mode >> converter. > > I've looked at PoE before. I need an AC reference signal anyway, I'll > just use that. I mean... I'm inside the so

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> Of course, the super deluxe solution would be PoE but that is a recipe > for project drag because now you'd have to add a litte switch-mode > converter. I've looked at PoE before. I need an AC reference signal anyway, I'll just use that. I mean... I'm inside the source of power for the hous

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: >> But a doorbell transformer is a whole lot cheaper than a PC. > > Getting it into the panel upstairs might be tricky; the box is in a > finished wall. I guess I could just plop it inside the box. > Of course, the super deluxe solution would be PoE but that is a recipe for p

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> But a doorbell transformer is a whole lot cheaper than a PC. Getting it into the panel upstairs might be tricky; the box is in a finished wall. I guess I could just plop it inside the box. > And with my wife the WAF for PCs next to the sub-panels would be > pretty low. Two are in the basemen

Re: gEDA-user: Slotting and visible power connections

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: > There are two options: > > option 1: create two gate symbols, one with power leads and one > without. Both have the same slotting info. > > option 2: create one slotted gate symbol with no power info, and a > second box symbol with just power info. This lets you group all yo

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: > Joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Ethernet would be isolated > > Hmmm... maybe I'll look into an ENCJ ethernet part; it's got 5v > tolerant inputs, is small, provides isolation, and I won't need to put > PCs at each box. Of course, this means I need to put a power supply >

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
Joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ethernet would be isolated Hmmm... maybe I'll look into an ENCJ ethernet part; it's got 5v tolerant inputs, is small, provides isolation, and I won't need to put PCs at each box. Of course, this means I need to put a power supply on the board now ;-) I also h

Re: gEDA-user: Slotting and visible power connections

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: > There are two options: > > option 1: create two gate symbols, one with power leads and one > without. Both have the same slotting info. > > option 2: create one slotted gate symbol with no power info, and a > second box symbol with just power info. This lets you group all yo

gEDA-user: Missing I/O symbol with refdes [pin] in sch. for the symbol [x1]

2008-11-04 Thread Rama krishnan
Hi When I do a schematic with Hierarchy and try to netlist it, I'm getting this error, Missing I/O symbol with refdes [pin] in sch. for the symbol [x1] I came to know that gnetlist is popping this error and s_hierarchy.c has the error messageand not the backend. But I don't

Re: gEDA-user: Slotting and visible power connections

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
Mark Rages wrote: > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sorry for asking a lot here lately but I believe others will hit this >> snag as well and I could not find much info about it, not even via a web >> search outside geda.seul.org: >> >> Often power pins must be m

Re: gEDA-user: Slotting and visible power connections

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
There are two options: option 1: create two gate symbols, one with power leads and one without. Both have the same slotting info. option 2: create one slotted gate symbol with no power info, and a second box symbol with just power info. This lets you group all your power connections in one pla

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> Maybe it's best to just keep it simple for now. Otherwise it'll be > one of those projects that is still unfinished after Christmas ;-) And the sooner I finish this and start saving money on my electric bill, the more toys I can buy! :-) ___ geda-u

Re: gEDA-user: Slotting and visible power connections

2008-11-04 Thread Mark Rages
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry for asking a lot here lately but I believe others will hit this > snag as well and I could not find much info about it, not even via a web > search outside geda.seul.org: > > Often power pins must be made visible. For example

gEDA-user: Slotting and visible power connections

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
Sorry for asking a lot here lately but I believe others will hit this snag as well and I could not find much info about it, not even via a web search outside geda.seul.org: Often power pins must be made visible. For example if you have to filter the supply for digital parts or opamps separately

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
Stefan Salewski wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 04.11.2008, 15:21 -0800 schrieb Joerg: [...] >> My goal is to be able to always have the standard symbols as well as my >> own available for placement, in the same gschem "Add -> Components" tab. >> And be able to backup the custom symbols I made. >> >

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Steven Michalske
On Nov 4, 2008, at 4:28 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> Theoretically you could use a doorbell transformer, > > Hmmm... theoretically, I could use the doorbell transformer I already > have, on that panel at least. The other two panels don't already have > that. But I need to get the data off the boa

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: [...] >> Ethernet would be isolated but I don't know what's out there on the >> market to isolate USB. > > There's probably a simple radio link for the UART too. If I knew it > could get out of the metal box and across the house, I'd take the time > to figure it out. It would

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> Theoretically you could use a doorbell transformer, Hmmm... theoretically, I could use the doorbell transformer I already have, on that panel at least. The other two panels don't already have that. But I need to get the data off the board and into a PC too. > For data USB needs a direct conn

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: >> Be careful. If for some reason the USB ground comes off and that's the >> only ground it'll be anyones guess where any capacitively coupled 60Hz >> will go. If it picks the data lines ... bzzzt ... poof. At least there >> should be some kind of bleeder. > > Thanks for the w

gEDA-user: Part Rotation in XY-data

2008-11-04 Thread John Luciani
I have an SMD XTAL, rectangular package, pad in each corner. When I place two footprints on the top side of the board I get angle=0 and side=top for both parts in the xy-data file (which is correct). If I move one part to the bottom without rotation the part on the bottom has an angle=90 in the xy

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> Be careful. If for some reason the USB ground comes off and that's the > only ground it'll be anyones guess where any capacitively coupled 60Hz > will go. If it picks the data lines ... bzzzt ... poof. At least there > should be some kind of bleeder. Thanks for the warning. > If by circuit

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: >> Could you add another regular quad or octal ADC? Or replace one of >> the ADE7753 with it? That way you could hook up things like water >> pressure sensors, thermistors and other things that could be useful >> in correlating power usage and outside effects. > > I'm already goi

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Dienstag, den 04.11.2008, 15:21 -0800 schrieb Joerg: > Yes, I'll have to do that. Looks like gschem should not really be > started from the GUI or the pull-down "Applications" tab. Very different > from Eagle, but that's life. > No, gschem, pcb and the other gEDA tools are not eagle clones.

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: >> Nice job. The only thing left is to decide what to do with the circuit >> ground. Wherever safety regs permit I always run that straight to all >> the bolts. Whatever you do never leave that floating about. Same for the >> enclosure. Of course if the enlosure is plastic this

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
Mark Rages wrote: > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> John Luciani wrote: >>> For simple modifications I would use EMACS. >>> The file format is very simple. Should be quite >>> easy to find the string 74141 ;-) >>> >> Ok, yes, with any kind of ASCII editor I could

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
Stefan Salewski wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 04.11.2008, 16:20 -0600 schrieb Mark Rages: >> I've done several medium-size boards with gschem and I've had to use a >> text editor for each one. > > Of course one can use a text editor to edit gschem or pcb files. But one > can do most with pcb or gschem

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
Stefan Salewski wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 04.11.2008, 14:13 -0800 schrieb Joerg: >> Now I am going to have to figure out how to make gschem find it in the >> menu. > > One way is to have a configuration file called gafrc in your working > directory, like > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/gEDA/DAD $ cat

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Dienstag, den 04.11.2008, 16:20 -0600 schrieb Mark Rages: > > I've done several medium-size boards with gschem and I've had to use a > text editor for each one. Of course one can use a text editor to edit gschem or pcb files. But one can do most with pcb or gschem program. I think I have never

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Dienstag, den 04.11.2008, 14:13 -0800 schrieb Joerg: > > Now I am going to have to figure out how to make gschem find it in the > menu. One way is to have a configuration file called gafrc in your working directory, like [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/gEDA/DAD $ cat gafrc (component-library "../gsch

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> I just finished a pair of boards at 5:00 this morning (am I the only > one who can only concentrate on layout work when I'm dead tired?) I do most of my layout work after midnight too. > If it's any comfort, gschem is user-interface heaven compared to > pcb, the layout tool. Hey! ;-) _

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> Could you add another regular quad or octal ADC? Or replace one of > the ADE7753 with it? That way you could hook up things like water > pressure sensors, thermistors and other things that could be useful > in correlating power usage and outside effects. I'm already going to need four of these

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> Nice job. The only thing left is to decide what to do with the circuit > ground. Wherever safety regs permit I always run that straight to all > the bolts. Whatever you do never leave that floating about. Same for the > enclosure. Of course if the enlosure is plastic this doesn't matter. On

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Mark Rages
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Luciani wrote: >> For simple modifications I would use EMACS. >> The file format is very simple. Should be quite >> easy to find the string 74141 ;-) >> > > Ok, yes, with any kind of ASCII editor I could "wing it", I was just >

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
Duncan Drennan wrote: >> Trying to modify a symbol with gschem, no luck. > > Are you sure you have correctly entered in the symbol you want to > edit? Select the symbol in the schematic then right click and select > "Down Symbol" or open it up directly with gschem. If you type "en" now > all the i

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
Stuart Brorson wrote: >> Now I am wrestling with library paths. Being new to Linux it looks like >> the path concept doesn't exist. > > ? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environment_variable > >> Did a new opamp to try to see if I can >> cut the repeated supply pins on a dual opamp by hand-

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Stuart Brorson
> Now I am wrestling with library paths. Being new to Linux it looks like > the path concept doesn't exist. ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environment_variable > Did a new opamp to try to see if I can > cut the repeated supply pins on a dual opamp by hand-editing them out of > slotdef2. It s

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Duncan Drennan
> Trying to modify a symbol with gschem, no luck. Are you sure you have correctly entered in the symbol you want to edit? Select the symbol in the schematic then right click and select "Down Symbol" or open it up directly with gschem. If you type "en" now all the invisible properties will be shown

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: > Ok, final layout... I hope... > > http://www.delorie.com/electronics/powermeter/ > > I added a back photo, a PDF of both schematic pages (every channel is > the same, of course), and gerbers. > > DJ > Dang, with gmane it can take a day for a reply to show up. Maybe too la

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
John Luciani wrote: > For simple modifications I would use EMACS. > The file format is very simple. Should be quite > easy to find the string 74141 ;-) > Ok, yes, with any kind of ASCII editor I could "wing it", I was just hoping there was a more elegant way. But maybe not. Personally I don't t

Re: gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread John Luciani
For simple modifications I would use EMACS. The file format is very simple. Should be quite easy to find the string 74141 ;-) (* jcl *) -- http://www.luciani.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: > Ok, final layout... I hope... > > http://www.delorie.com/electronics/powermeter/ > > I added a back photo, a PDF of both schematic pages (every channel is > the same, of course), and gerbers. > With help from a German NG I finally got my Ubuntu to run full screen. Much eas

Re: gEDA-user: powermeter board, with less ground planes :-)

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
Dave McGuire wrote: > On Nov 1, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Joerg wrote: > At the end of the day the only thing that counts is whether it's > good enough and it looks like DJ's board should perform pretty well > now. And yet I keep improving it anyway. >>> If there's one thing I've learned a

gEDA-user: Is there a more detailed gEDA symbol edit turorial?

2008-11-04 Thread Joerg
Trying to modify a symbol with gschem, no luck. Ales' instruction is probably really good for folks who know gEDA already but it doesn't get into details like how to organize new symbols into fresh directories, how to unhide hidden power pins, etc. Heck, I tried to modify the 74141 symbol into

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with gEDA Makefile on ubuntu

2008-11-04 Thread John Luciani
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Ethan Swint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hmm... I'm not sure about many things Linux. But I did run the > apt-get instruction as listed in the original message (with tetex); > the make process complained and suggested texlive be installed. I > obliged and

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with gEDA Makefile on ubuntu

2008-11-04 Thread Ethan Swint
Hmm... I'm not sure about many things Linux. But I did run the apt-get instruction as listed in the original message (with tetex); the make process complained and suggested texlive be installed. I obliged and the make process carried on until the "Overfull /hbox", after which the

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with gEDA Makefile on ubuntu

2008-11-04 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Dienstag, den 04.11.2008, 15:19 -0500 schrieb Ethan Swint: > Many thanks for this! I've verified this on Ubuntu 8.04 /Hardy, and > found one package you left out, required by PCB: texlive. > > $ sudo apt-get install git-core cvs flex bison texinfo automake > autoconf libtool pkg-config gettext

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with gEDA Makefile on ubuntu

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> I still get an error running make on PCB - a bunch of messages > complaining about "Overfull \hbox". I can post the pcb.log if anyone is > interested. Easily reproduced, not very important - it's just text that flows past the right margin, usually just a little. ___

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with gEDA Makefile on ubuntu

2008-11-04 Thread Ethan Swint
Many thanks for this! I've verified this on Ubuntu 8.04 /Hardy, and found one package you left out, required by PCB: texlive. $ sudo apt-get install git-core cvs flex bison texinfo automake autoconf libtool pkg-config gettext groff intltool guile-1.8 guile-1.8-dev libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-dev libgli

Re: gEDA-user: Silkscreen Logo

2008-11-04 Thread Mark Rages
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Mike Crowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If an SVG file generated with third party software package (Potrace, > AutoTrace, Inkscape or Delineate, ) exists, then an xslt can in > theory be used to generate output compatible with pcb. > > Is someone working on such

Re: gEDA-user: Silkscreen Logo

2008-11-04 Thread Mike Crowe
If an SVG file generated with third party software package (Potrace, AutoTrace, Inkscape or Delineate, ) exists, then an xslt can in theory be used to generate output compatible with pcb. Is someone working on such an xslt? If not, what would be the best way to import the resulting output

Re: gEDA-user: Silkscreen Logo

2008-11-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> Looks like that program just reads in a PBM, inverts all the pixels, > and writes it back out as a PBM. I'm not seeing anything that > translates to PCB file format. Did you post the right program? You're right, wrong program. This one uses square vias with zero-sized holes, probably could b

Re: gEDA-user: Problem with gEDA Makefile on ubuntu

2008-11-04 Thread Craig Niederberger
Thanks super again, Peter--you were right! I just finished migrating to Intrepix Ibex ubuntu 8.10, and realized I needed to install libgd2-noxpm-dev as well. So for those who may be trying to figure out how to install gEDA on ubuntu 8.10 from the repository, here is my HOW-TO: $ sudo apt-get ins

Re: gEDA-user: 7905.sym

2008-11-04 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Dienstag, den 04.11.2008, 13:08 + schrieb Patrick Dupre: > Yes, 79xx, seems to have been derived from 7912.sym > If you do not find it at www.gedasymbols.org: gEDA is shipped with a lm7912 /usr/share/gEDA/sym/linear/lm7912-1.sym should only need minimal tuning with gschem. __

Re: gEDA-user: 7905.sym

2008-11-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Am Dienstag, den 04.11.2008, 10:47 + schrieb Patrick Dupre: Hello, Where can I find a 7605.sym ? Regards 7605 or 7905? Yes, 79xx, seems to have been derived from 7912.sym I think I have seen 78xx and 79xx (negative fix voltage reg.) at gedasymbols, you may search for 79xx. Voltages

Re: gEDA-user: Drill guide

2008-11-04 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Dienstag, den 04.11.2008, 09:23 + schrieb ST de Feber: > Dear all, > > I have tried to look-up this issue in the manual and > for but could not find a solution. > > Since i do all the manufacturing/drilling of my PCB's > my self i'd like to have drill guides. > How can i get these in to m

Re: gEDA-user: 7905.sym

2008-11-04 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Dienstag, den 04.11.2008, 10:47 + schrieb Patrick Dupre: > Hello, > > Where can I find a 7605.sym ? > > Regards 7605 or 7905? I think I have seen 78xx and 79xx (negative fix voltage reg.) at gedasymbols, you may search for 79xx. Voltages are set by attributes. If you really look for a

gEDA-user: 7905.sym

2008-11-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, Where can I find a 7605.sym ? Regards -- --- == Patrick DUPRÉ | | Department of Chemistry| |Phone: (44)-(0)-1904-434384 The University of York | |Fax: (

gEDA-user: Drill guide

2008-11-04 Thread ST de Feber
Dear all, I have tried to look-up this issue in the manual and for but could not find a solution. Since i do all the manufacturing/drilling of my PCB's my self i'd like to have drill guides. How can i get these in to my gerbers ? grtz Simon _