Re: gEDA-user: Google SoC : Potential Candidate seeking Info

2009-02-17 Thread Larry Doolittle
Dan - On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:01:57PM -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: > The tool worked and really my primary complaint was that you quickly > ended up with an expression that > a) was not at all a low entropy expression (see various papers by > Middlebrook or the textbook by Vorperian) Hey! I s

Re: gEDA-user: Google SoC : Potential Candidate seeking Info

2009-02-17 Thread Stuart Brorson
> If anyone would have a clue on how to contact Henry Yiu it might be > interesting to see if he would provide a license that allows for > redistribution. Did you try the addr on this web page? http://www.geocities.com/hyiu00/ Stuart ___ geda-user ma

Re: gEDA-user: Google SoC : Potential Candidate seeking Info

2009-02-17 Thread Dan McMahill
al davis wrote: > Another interesting type of analysis that Spice doesn't have is > a semi-symbolic analysis, where the result is a transfer > function, in S, that has some values carried through as > symbols. I would have to help you a lot, but it would be a > real accomplishment, and I think

Re: gEDA-user: Was there a major change to how power nets are handled in netlists?

2009-02-17 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] >I'll try the 2nd in the immediate term, but it makes me nervous to use >a netlister with a known bug. I have filed a bug ("artifact" as the new sf tracker likes to call them) on this issue (#2611098). -Ales __

Re: gEDA-user: Error compiling pcb from head repository when building docs

2009-02-17 Thread Peter Wiley-Cordone
Got it to build and work. Sorry about that. Pete On Feb 17, 2009, at 8:37 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Pleas read README.cvs > > > ___ > geda-user mailing list > geda-user@moria.seul.org > http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user Peter Wil

Re: gEDA-user: Error compiling pcb from head repository when building docs

2009-02-17 Thread DJ Delorie
Pleas read README.cvs ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

gEDA-user: Error compiling pcb from head repository when building docs

2009-02-17 Thread Peter Wiley-Cordone
I grabbed the had branch from the git repository, got configure to run and when I run make I get the following error (see below). I think some images are missing when it runs the make file in the doc sub directory? Pete Making all in doc make all-am rm -rf pcb.htp if /bin/sh /Users/Pete/s

Re: gEDA-user: GL pcb bugs and a question re the log/library window, gerber outline output

2009-02-17 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 11:29 +0100, Denis Grelich wrote: > On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:34:15 -0800 > Ben Jackson wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 02:56:44PM +0100, Denis > Grelich wrote: > > > > > > First there's a problem with polygon clearance. > > > > I think that might be a GL display bug. Ther

Re: gEDA-user: PCB step and repeat for hierarchy

2009-02-17 Thread gene
> Yes, that will work. What script language are you going to use? > Please tell us what happens. > > John Griessen Hi John, Well, I'm fairly proficient at java so that's how I'm doing it. It should take me very long to put it together. gene ___

Re: gEDA-user: order of defparam vs. #(.) parameters in icarus

2009-02-17 Thread Matt Ettus
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Stephen Williams wrote: > Matt Ettus wrote: >> In some Xilinx models, they make instantiations like this: >> >> block instance(ports); >> defparam instance.param=VALUE >> >> >> This normally works ok. The problem is that inside the block, >> generate statements ar

Re: gEDA-user: GL pcb bugs and a question re the log/library window, gerber outline output

2009-02-17 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 13:29 -0800, Ben Jackson wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:08:33PM +, Peter Clifton wrote: > > > > > > I think the only straightforward way to fix the self-intersecting arc is > > > to build it internally from two parts and union them. Might be slow on > > > teardrop'd

Re: gEDA-user: GL pcb bugs and a question re the log/library window, gerber outline output

2009-02-17 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 13:29 -0800, Ben Jackson wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:08:33PM +, Peter Clifton wrote: > It usually boils down to numerical instability in the polygon code. > I may have an example. I save all the strange boards people send in with > bug reports to use as regressio

Re: gEDA-user: GL pcb bugs and a question re the log/library window, gerber outline output

2009-02-17 Thread Ben Jackson
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:08:33PM +, Peter Clifton wrote: > > > > I think the only straightforward way to fix the self-intersecting arc is > > to build it internally from two parts and union them. Might be slow on > > teardrop'd boards. > > Probably just need some simple geometry to work ou

Re: gEDA-user: GL pcb bugs and a question re the log/library window, gerber outline output

2009-02-17 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 12:58 -0800, Ben Jackson wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 08:02:42PM +, Peter Clifton wrote: > > > > I think the first hint of trouble is exemplified by PCB's failure to > > clear this the 360 degree arc from the polygon. I've distilled a > > test-case from your example (

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Problems creating a ground plane and adding thermals

2009-02-17 Thread Susan Mackay
Did you check the wiki? Although the pcb section is called "tips" it is more like FAQ. For your particular question: [1]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_tips#why_is_it_possible_to_make_ a_thermal_for_pin_but_not_for_a_pad using the ground plane as the GND netlist? [2]http:

Re: gEDA-user: GL pcb bugs and a question re the log/library window, gerber outline output

2009-02-17 Thread Ben Jackson
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 08:02:42PM +, Peter Clifton wrote: > > I think the first hint of trouble is exemplified by PCB's failure to > clear this the 360 degree arc from the polygon. I've distilled a > test-case from your example (attached). Yes, as soon as he said it I figured that the self-i

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-17 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:11:53 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > this is 3.2*2.6*123 = 1023.36 Euro for one board. Look for the "Sparklasse". This assumes a per panel pricing. You get what ever number of identical PCBs fit onto on a panel for more or less fixed price. They keep your data. So the se

Re: gEDA-user: PCB step and repeat for hierarchy

2009-02-17 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:42:12 +, carzrgr8-p32f3XyCuykqcZcGjlUOXw wrote: > I'm pretty sure this idea is going to work. My design, although large > in component count, is really just a bunch of identical blocks repeated > many times. http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_tips#is_there_a_way_to_do_

Re: gEDA-user: Tutorial changes

2009-02-17 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:33:35 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > By the way: How can I set similar names that deviate from the >> path for my local libs? > > An optional final argument on the command which instantiates the library Thanks. ---<(kaimartin)>--- __

Re: gEDA-user: PCB step and repeat for hierarchy

2009-02-17 Thread John Griessen
carzr...@optonline.net wrote: > 6. Filter the file, renaming all the 'selected' parts that match 'S1/S101' > with 'S2/S101'. > > Assuming it works, I want to say that PCB file format makes stuff like this > pretty easy! > > gene Yes, that will work. What script language are you going to u

Re: gEDA-user: GL pcb bugs and a question re the log/library window, gerber outline output

2009-02-17 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 14:58 +0100, Denis Grelich wrote: > Sorry, forgot to actually attach the screenshot and the example ;) That's pretty broken looking.. I think the first hint of trouble is exemplified by PCB's failure to clear this the 360 degree arc from the polygon. I've distilled a test-ca

Re: gEDA-user: PCB - How To Find A Component?

2009-02-17 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi all, On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 20:23 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Maybe I'm overlooking something very obvious and better should restart > > tomorrow morning after some coffee. > > Close! Elements don't always have names. You also didn't check for > missing arguments. Try this bit of code: > >

Re: gEDA-user: Tutorial changes

2009-02-17 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 14:57 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:51:54 +0530, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > > > http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial > > > > * There is no "Analog" library under Components. Under "Basic" devices, > > we have resistor-1.sym. > > I accommod

Re: gEDA-user: PCB step and repeat for hierarchy

2009-02-17 Thread DJ Delorie
The mark in a paste is the origin of the cut (and thus of the paste too), usually the crosshair position when you cut it or mark when you save a pcb. My scripts always zero that out (Cursor[] in the *.pcb) before pasting layouts so I get consistent results, otherwise the pasted regions may be off

Re: gEDA-user: PCB step and repeat for hierarchy

2009-02-17 Thread Ben Jackson
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 04:42:12PM +, carzr...@optonline.net wrote: > > So here's the plan: > 1. Place and route all the parts of one hierarchical block, for example > S1/S101. > 2. Select all the parts from S2/S101 and delete them ( I don't think there's > a 'delete > selected' menu, but '

Re: gEDA-user: Was there a major change to how power nets are handled in netlists?

2009-02-17 Thread Matt Ettus
> Depending on the order of the schematics on the gnetlist line, you will > get a different net renamed (DVDD_FPGA -> Vcco2 or DVDD_FPGA -> Vcco3). > > This is most certainly a bug in gnetlist and probably has been there > since the beginning of time. I am guessing it worked in the past due > to s

Re: gEDA-user: more board fab discussion (was Re: Interesting board defect)

2009-02-17 Thread joe tarantino
I just sent out a board which I had quoted on FR4 and Rogers 4350. The Rogers material was more expensive, but for sure not 4x more. I won't get the boards back for a couple days yet, but I've seen other proto's they did for us (on .031" Rogers 4350 w/ immersion silver plating) and

gEDA-user: PCB step and repeat for hierarchy

2009-02-17 Thread carzrgr8
I'm pretty sure this idea is going to work. My design, although large in component count, is really just a bunch of identical blocks repeated many times. For example, there's an input buffer section that's copied 8 times. Each of those buffers has a hierarchical reference designator, say S

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-17 Thread Stefan Salewski
Am Dienstag, den 17.02.2009, 14:41 + schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak: > On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:11:30 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > > > Yes, but total costs are still not bad. If I remember correctly: Four > > boards, 4 layer, each 26cm * 32cm will give total something about 1000 > > Dollar. > > My

gEDA-user: more board fab discussion (was Re: Interesting board defect)

2009-02-17 Thread Larry Doolittle
Gabriel - On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 03:47:10PM +0100, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > Did not nee for this, and my RF designs use Rogers' substrates which > are much more reproducible than FR4 at frequencies above 2GHz. I'm currently searching for a U.S. fab for prototype quantity of Rogers' boards that d

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-17 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 09:11:30PM +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > Am Montag, den 16.02.2009, 18:53 + schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak: > > > > Some remarks: > > > > * 4 Layers will take 12 working days minimum, plus what ever it takes for > > fedex to ship from china. If you don't register for "op

Re: gEDA-user: Google SoC : Potential Candidate seeking Info

2009-02-17 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:12:47 -0500, al davis wrote: > People spend lots of time trying to make a GUI, when there are problems > underneath. Is this true in this special case? (Doing gnucap sims with schematics designed with gschem) I got the impression, that all the infrastructure is there, but

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-17 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 05:36:02PM +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > Am Montag, den 16.02.2009, 09:50 + schrieb Dylan Smith: > > On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Dave N6NZ wrote: > > > > On Chinese fabs... > > > > > So... it's hard to beat BatchPCB's price for one-offs, but I've decided > > > to dial back

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-17 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:11:30 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > Yes, but total costs are still not bad. If I remember correctly: Four > boards, 4 layer, each 26cm * 32cm will give total something about 1000 > Dollar. My favorite Germany based fab, Basista, quotes 992.92 EUR for 5 such boards, shipp

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Problems creating a ground plane and adding thermals

2009-02-17 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:18:51 +1100, Susan Mackay wrote: > Thanks for that - Is this documented anywhere Did you check the wiki? Although the pcb section is called "tips" it is more like FAQ. For your particular question: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_tips#why_is_it_possible_to_make_a_ther

Re: gEDA-user: Interesting board defect

2009-02-17 Thread Dylan Smith
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: >Just checked it. > >Some remarks: > I have actually used PCB Cart, and found them to be good value and do a nice job - I had them make ten 4 layer 100x60mm boards with 6/6 rules. No faults (all electrically tested), arrived very well packed, and with

Re: gEDA-user: Was there a major change to how power nets are handled in netlists?

2009-02-17 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] >I will try making a smaller test case again, but haven't had luck so >far. I would feel better if I knew that you saw the problem in the >netlist I sent. > Okay, I am now able to reproduce the problem with the following attached schematics. I generally do not like to netlist sch

Re: gEDA-user: Google SoC : Potential Candidate seeking Info

2009-02-17 Thread John Doty
On Feb 17, 2009, at 2:12 AM, al davis wrote: > Another interesting type of analysis that Spice doesn't have is > a semi-symbolic analysis, where the result is a transfer > function, in S, that has some values carried through as > symbols. I would have to help you a lot, but it would be a > real

Re: gEDA-user: GL pcb bugs and a question re the log/library window, gerber outline output

2009-02-17 Thread Denis Grelich
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:34:15 -0800 Ben Jackson wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 02:56:44PM +0100, Denis Grelich wrote: > > > > First there's a problem with polygon clearance. > > I think that might be a GL display bug. There was a thread about that > recently. Try exporting your layout to Post

gEDA-user: djboxsym: vertical labels

2009-02-17 Thread DJ Delorie
I added an option to djboxsym to format labels for pins on the top and bottom edges of the symbols vertically, rather than the default horizontally. This seems to work better for chips with lots of power/ground symbols, or in cases where you want a physical representation of a QFN chip. http://w