>> For software to be truly expert friendly, it must use languages
>> that are meaningful in the application domain, and lots of
>> extendability. To a circuit designer, that is not C, Scheme,
>> M4, or XML.
>
> The ones I know circuit designers use are verilog, perl and python.
> and then there a
Am Thu, 07 May 2009 17:20:40 -0400 schrieb DJ Delorie:
>> Look in the tracker - there are patches. Not all for raising up
>> newbie-friedly level but patches. For example: Kai-Martin reported a
>> bug (#1988982) and Bert did a patch (#2686963). Ready for applying but
>> - nothing happend. Mmh, nee
Am Thu, 07 May 2009 14:19:26 -0700 schrieb Ben Jackson:
> Having watched the 'git format-patch + git send-email + git am' workflow
> in action, I think it's the best way I've seen for people without commit
> access to channel their work through a committer. Everyone can see and
> discuss the patc
> Look in the tracker - there are patches. Not all for raising up
> newbie-friedly level but patches. For example: Kai-Martin reported a
> bug (#1988982) and Bert did a patch (#2686963). Ready for applying
> but - nothing happend. Mmh, need a "patch integrator" ...
For PCB, every once in a while
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 09:02:57PM +, Frank Bergmann wrote:
>
> Look in the tracker - there are patches. Not all for raising up newbie-friedly
> level but patches. For example:
> Kai-Martin reported a bug (#1988982) and Bert did a patch (#2686963). Ready
> for
> applying but - nothing happend
Am Thu, 07 May 2009 09:34:58 -0400 schrieb Stuart Brorson:
> One major difference between gEDA and Fritzing is that Fritzing is a
> university project receiving sponsorship from various state governments
> in Germany. That means that they have a paid team who can work on the
> software full time.
On May 7, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Bill Gatliff wrote:
> Stefan Salewski wrote:
>> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 12:58 -0600, John Doty wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From my perspective, your use of these symbols to name nets seems
>>> strange. I think of these as hierarchical connection devices. To
>>> name
>>> a net it
On May 7, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Stefan Salewski wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 12:58 -0600, John Doty wrote:
>
>>
>> From my perspective, your use of these symbols to name nets seems
>> strange. I think of these as hierarchical connection devices. To name
>> a net it is simpler and less confusing to
Stefan Salewski wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 12:58 -0600, John Doty wrote:
>
>
>> From my perspective, your use of these symbols to name nets seems
>> strange. I think of these as hierarchical connection devices. To name
>> a net it is simpler and less confusing to use the netname= attrib
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 12:58 -0600, John Doty wrote:
>
> From my perspective, your use of these symbols to name nets seems
> strange. I think of these as hierarchical connection devices. To name
> a net it is simpler and less confusing to use the netname= attribute
> rather than a symbol, I
On May 7, 2009, at 12:19 PM, d...@umich.edu wrote:
>
>
> John Doty wrote:
>> On May 7, 2009, at 6:53 AM, Stefan Salewski wrote:
>>
>>> Of course it may be a bug of 1.4.0, I
>>> can not test this, have only 1.4.3 available.
>>
>> One could make the case that the bug is in 1.4.3. A component withou
John Doty wrote:
> On May 7, 2009, at 6:53 AM, Stefan Salewski wrote:
>
>> Of course it may be a bug of 1.4.0, I
>> can not test this, have only 1.4.3 available.
>
> One could make the case that the bug is in 1.4.3. A component without
> either refdes= or graphical=1 might reasonably be cons
> One key, I think, is transparency. The NeXT InterfaceBuilder [...]
> [i]n the beginning [] output actual Objective-C code to set up the
> objects to implement the interface.
I first got started with SQL that way: I was watching over the shoulder
of someone who was using a GUI to do some changes
al davis wrote:
> For software to be truly expert friendly, it must use languages
> that are meaningful in the application domain, and lots of
> extendability. To a circuit designer, that is not C, Scheme,
> M4, or XML.
The ones I know circuit designers use are verilog, perl and python.
and t
al davis wrote:
> On Thursday 07 May 2009, Dave N6NZ wrote:
>> Slapping a gui on top of a command line, in 100% of the cases
>> I have personally experienced, has been a disaster.
>
> NeXT
I have no experience with NeXT...
>
> "Slapping" is usually (100%) a disaster, but a well designed
> s
On May 7, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Dave N6NZ wrote:
> David C. Kerber wrote:
>> One possibility would be to do something similar to what Cisco does
>> with the GUI they have for their security appliances:
>
> If ever there was a poster child for the most obnoxiously brain-dead
> approach to putting a g
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Dave N6NZ wrote:
> Slapping a gui on top of a command line, in 100% of the cases
> I have personally experienced, has been a disaster.
NeXT
"Slapping" is usually (100%) a disaster, but a well designed
system where the GUI and command line are designed to operate
tog
David C. Kerber wrote:
> One possibility would be to do something similar to what Cisco does
> with the GUI they have for their security appliances:
If ever there was a poster child for the most obnoxiously brain-dead
approach to putting a gui on a product, Cisco's tools would be it. That
crap
One possibility would be to do something similar to what Cisco does with the
GUI they have for their security appliances: a gui that handles basic setup,
and issues commands in their standard cli format to the appliance. But the gui
is optional, and if you want to use just the cli because that
??? wrote:
> > All the comments about Fritzing vs. gEDA are very true. It
> > would indeed be nice if gEDA (particularly the gschem ->
> > PCB flow) were more polished and newbie friendly.
On Thursday 07 May 2009, der Mouse wrote:
> Would it?
>
> In many cases I've seen, making something newbie f
> All the comments about Fritzing vs. gEDA are very true. It would
> indeed be nice if gEDA (particularly the gschem -> PCB flow) were
> more polished and newbie friendly.
Would it?
In many cases I've seen, making something newbie friendly results in
also making it expert crippling. I have seen
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 08:12 -0600, John Doty wrote:
> [...] I wish
> there was better documentation on how attributes are actually *used*
> by gschem and gnetlist. The Symbol Creation Guide is "style manual",
> not a language definition.
>
> The "anything goes" approach to attributes was f
On May 7, 2009, at 6:53 AM, Stefan Salewski wrote:
> Of course it may be a bug of 1.4.0, I
> can not test this, have only 1.4.3 available.
One could make the case that the bug is in 1.4.3. A component without
either refdes= or graphical=1 might reasonably be considered an
error. But the tre
Hi --
> What would be fabulous is if gEDA settings could be changed to make
> our front end look
> and feel like fritzing or as is, or as some particular user wanted.
> Fritzing is probably doing good market research -- getting good feedback
> from a set of users we alienate with our typical comm
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 00:28 -0400, d...@umich.edu wrote:
> All of my input-1.sym and output-1.sym had attribute setting like this:
>
> net SPEED_CONTROL:1
> valueSPEED CONTROL
> device INPUT
>
> There was no refdes attribute in any of the named nets. Using
> input-2.sym and output-2.s
Dave N6NZ wrote:
> I think there are certainly areas of potential cooperation between
> Fritzing and gEDA, especially with respect to the back end.
Yes, translators and netlist back ends would help. The ones who needed more
detailed designs
would then be able to start in fritzing, go to gEDA
On Thu, 07 May 2009 12:12:41 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
> I would say that at first let him focus on the schematic end.
ack. Automatic layout prints can already be done by combining command
line parameters with a bash script.
> I would
> rather want to see something that also helps schemat
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Stuart Brorson wrote:
> H The idea of autocreated fab notes/drawing is a good one. I
> could envision doing this using Latex/metafont driven from an external
> script. Or maybe via a Makefile? Or doxygen? The script would read
> in some type of templat
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