On Nov 20, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Bill Gatliff wrote:
> Steven Michalske wrote:
>> What do we need to define?
>> I will logically split a symbol and a component now, but we shouldn't
>> make the assumption that the will be split in the final
>> implementation.
>>
>
> I don't think we'll be happy wit
Steven Michalske wrote:
>In the lines of the one mans upsmanship
>The extra data need not be a separate file, a table element in the
>schematic may meet the needs.
>
It certainly could, but it might work against the expressed desires for
having the same schematic serve for more
On Nov 20, 2009, at 8:40 PM, Bill Gatliff wrote:
I'll go you one better.
I want to draw discrete resistor symbols in my schematic diagram, and
then during component selection satisfy their requirements from the
circuits provided by a resistor network. I also want to draw discrete
Hi,
I am playing now for a while with gEDA and pcb and just finished my
first very little project with it.
There was some glitches here and there but the mailing list and goggle
help me throw it.
The most cumbersome for me was the selection of objects which are for
some reason
Dave N6NZ wrote:
> Ideally, I'd like to be able to use the same symbol for a through-hole
> 20 pin part or the 24 pin SMD part and back-annotate the correct pin
> numbers onto the schematic when the part is assigned. (I do that now
> with two symbols that have identical pin out so that cut/paste
Dear Frank,
I tried the patches to have a log and drc frame below the pcb main
window and they work great. Thanks a lot for your work.
I used them now for one day and I like to give some feedback. I guess
this might be also interesting for other devs like Peter. (Sorry up to
know
Steven Michalske wrote:
> What do we need to define?
> I will logically split a symbol and a component now, but we shouldn't
> make the assumption that the will be split in the final implementation.
>
I don't think we'll be happy with things if we don't keep them logically
split, since they a
Steven Michalske wrote:
> Slotting is broke, the thread that prompted this this mail proves that.
>
> no change we make here is going to work with how our users use slots
>
> The answer to this is simple.
> 1. Deprecate slots, leave its functionality as is.
> 2. Implement the method that we come
Dear Ineiev,
I recently tried the patches and they work great. It is already 50% of
what I was looking for. Many thanks to Frank, they really work great
and I can report the patches are still valid with the recent
git-version of pcb.
If I can now apply the scripting capabilities
Slotting is broke, the thread that prompted this this mail proves that.
no change we make here is going to work with how our users use slots
The answer to this is simple.
1. Deprecate slots, leave its functionality as is.
2. Implement the method that we come up with, without regard to slots.
3.
Hi all,
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 09:27 -0800, Steven Michalske wrote:
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 6:03 AM, Vincent Onelli wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I downloaded teardrop.c file, I would like to use, but I do not know
> > how
> > to compile and install can anybody give me direction?
> > Thank you. Vinn
On Nov 20, 2009, at 7:15 AM, Stuart Brorson wrote:
> As an alternative to scheme, some would prefer to see TCL. I have no
> problem with that, as long as the interpreter is built-in. However,
> there is a large installed base of scheme, so it's likely we're stuck
> with it.
I propose that the
Hi all,
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:35 +, Ineiev wrote:
> On 11/17/09, Peter Clifton wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 14:11 +, Ineiev wrote:
> >> I think you may want to use this Frank Bergmann patch (I like it very
> >> much)
> >> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2779826&grou
Hi,
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 14:11 +, Ineiev wrote:
> On 11/17/09, Torsten Wagner wrote:
> >As wrote in an earlier post, I use a tiling window manager.
> [snip]
> >Normally 3-5 lines of text are enough to show an experienced user what
> >is going on with the program.
>
> I think y
Stuart Brorson wrote:
>> Would it make any sense to attempt to use Dia as an alternative gschem?
>>
>
> Sorry to come out of hibernation just to rant.
>
> I've used dia many times over the years. It stinks to high heaven.
Ok, I'll put you down as "not in favor of Dia". :)
I fired up Dia fo
On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 08:24 -0600, Bill Gatliff wrote:
> Would it make any sense to attempt to use Dia as an alternative gschem?
>
I had this strange idea in my head too, about one year ago I think...
I think it was the time when John Luciani created a few fancy filled
symbols for publications.
On Nov 20, 2009, at 7:09 AM, Peter Clifton wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 17:34 -0700, John Doty wrote:
>> On Nov 19, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Peter Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> The code which refreshes the pin-numbers when you change these
>>> unusually
>>> attached attributes is broken (missing) in git HEAD
There are a lot of ideas going around here and most of them sound like
good features. I'm a long time but casual user of geda and I don't want
to step on the toes of those who use it more or actively develop the
tools. I'd just like like to interject one thing.
I think it's important to pay attent
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:15:19 -0500, Stuart Brorson wrote:
>
>> Its been frozen at version 0.99 for years
>
> You mean, like a certain layout tool? :-P
*chuckle* Yeah, but the difference is that PCB has been improving
with every snapshot (i.e. unoff
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:15:19 -0500, Stuart Brorson wrote:
> Its been frozen at version 0.99 for years
You mean, like a certain layout tool? :-P
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> Would it make any sense to attempt to use Dia as an alternative gschem?
Sorry to come out of hibernation just to rant.
I've used dia many times over the years. It stinks to high heaven. It's
user interface is clunky, its rendering is horrible, and its text
handling is a disaster. Its been f
On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 05:49 +, Ineiev wrote:
> On 11/19/09, Peter Clifton wrote:
> > I tried it, and couldn't reproduce a crash, neither under gdb or
> > valgrind. What are the steps to reproduce?
>
> I had reproduced it faultlessly on two different machines
> with different GUIs before I rep
On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 13:18 +, Kelvin Gardiner wrote:
> On a bit of a different note. It would be nice to search gedasymols.org
> directly form the library manager for additional symbols / components.
Been done... see:
http://www.tablix.org/~avian/geda/gedasymbolsui/
http://www.tablix.org/
Would it make any sense to attempt to use Dia as an alternative gschem?
Obviously, there would need to be a lot of shape and script development,
but it sure looks like the basic machinery that we need from gschem is
there already. And as a bonus, Dia uses Python as its backend scripting
language.
On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 10:19 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote:
>
> Remotely related to this topic, I had this idea:
>
> Often, there are several choices for footprint, model, whatever
> attribute that need to to chosen at some point in the flow. We have proposals
> for a kind of database to support
On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 17:34 -0700, John Doty wrote:
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Peter Clifton wrote:
>
> > The code which refreshes the pin-numbers when you change these
> > unusually
> > attached attributes is broken (missing) in git HEAD. Various special
> > case checks for "slot=" exist,
Stephan Boettcher wrote:
> Remotely related to this topic, I had this idea:
>
> Often, there are several choices for footprint, model, whatever
> attribute that need to to chosen at some point in the flow. We have proposals
> for a kind of database to support the options.
>
I envision a direct
Peter TB Brett wrote:
> The gschem/libgeda Scheme API:
>
> - Is completely inconsistent in naming and calling pattern.
>
> - Has no useful documentation.
>
> - Lacks the ability to do meaningful manipulation of schematics/symbols.
>
> - Fails dismally at coping with having multiple schematics/symbo
Dan McMahill wrote:
> and this is exactly why the small library I have defines the component
> in a simple ascii database and then awk reads that data and combines a
> symbol template with a footprint and produces a .sym file that has the
> footprint set along with the pin out. Wouldn't be too
Greg Cunningham wrote:
>
> What would be nice here is a loose coupling between symbol and device to
> the extent that symbols could be dynamically assigned to devices. Maybe
> there could be a 'devices' panel (maybe even the assigned list from the
> library). Each device in the panel exposes its
Hi,
Since I emailed about including multiple footprints in symbol files.
I've been following the subsequent discussions. I thought the view of a
new-ish user of geda maybe helpful, I mean to give some constructive
criticism and not to be derogatory to the project or any person. If I've
made a
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:11:04 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
> My feeling is also, that multiple files is the better, but more
> complicated solution.
ack.
Multiple files that need to work in unison to produce the desired result
can be a pain, when it comes to sharing your tools.
In addition, th
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:19:41 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote:
> The attributes may be names like
>
>footprint-option=0603
>footprint-option=0805
>
> or
>
>footprint-options=0603;0805
Welcome to the club! ;^)
That makes (at least) three of us users who propose to add lists of
defaul
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Dan McMahill <[1]...@mcmahill.net>
wrote:
Michael Sokolov wrote:
> Bill Gatliff <[2]b...@billgatliff.com> wrote:
>
>> Now I'm beginning to see the problems with slotting and symbols the
way
>> we're doing them now: they unnecessarily tie th
Peter TB Brett wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:51:49 -0700, John Doty wrote:
>> The bottom line question for the core developers is:
>>
>> What prevents us from writing a file of Guile functions and adding a
>> line to gafrc to load it and get this functionality?
>
> The gschem/libgeda Scheme A
Michael Sokolov wrote:
> Bill Gatliff wrote:
>
>> Now I'm beginning to see the problems with slotting and symbols the way
>> we're doing them now: they unnecessarily tie the concept of a symbol to
>> the concept of a component, because the pin numbers that we currently
>> record in our symbols ar
> Peter Clifton wrote:
> > Lets say I have a symbol:
> >
> > ---|\
> > ---|/
> >
> >
> > That might have 4 slots - IE.. I expect 4 of those nand gates in the
> > chip.
> >
>
...
If you are willing to entertain the thoughts of a lurker...
I used to repair those old discrete
Remotely related to this topic, I had this idea:
Often, there are several choices for footprint, model, whatever
attribute that need to to chosen at some point in the flow. We have proposals
for a kind of database to support the options.
For a lot of simple applications/flows, an extra databas
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:51:49 -0700, John Doty wrote:
> The bottom line question for the core developers is:
>
> What prevents us from writing a file of Guile functions and adding a
> line to gafrc to load it and get this functionality?
The gschem/libgeda Scheme API:
- Is completely inconsiste
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