Re: gEDA-user: Do any gEDA users depend on tear-off menus with GTK? (Using gEDA apps)

2009-11-24 Thread Anthony Shanks
Never, get rid of it. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > Hi, > > I just came across a proposal to remove the tear-off menu feature in > GTK. Whilst generally none of our business how up-stream tool-kits alter > their UI - outside of its programming interface, I was just wonde

Re: gEDA-user: Some questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Mark Stanley
On Tuesday 24 November 2009 08:09:10 Peter Clifton wrote: > On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 18:25 -0500, Mark Stanley wrote: > > Rubber banding ratlines only works on through hole components. SMD's > > seem to have been forgotten. Once you've routed a net rubber banding > > works as expected with SMD's. > >

gEDA-user: Do any gEDA users depend on tear-off menus with GTK? (Using gEDA apps)

2009-11-24 Thread Peter Clifton
Hi, I just came across a proposal to remove the tear-off menu feature in GTK. Whilst generally none of our business how up-stream tool-kits alter their UI - outside of its programming interface, I was just wondering if anyone actually used the feature? I "think" I've used it before with PCB, to h

Re: gEDA-user: Some questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 14:21 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > 4. Is there anyway for ratlines to move with an component instead of > > having to use the optimize rats command every time I move components > > around? > > No. > I think for GTK GUI/HID ratlines follow if you move the component witho

Re: gEDA-user: More questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 14:06 -0800, Anthony Shanks wrote: > I have a question about this method, how do I make a outline layer > with either a hollow polygon or 4 lines to make an outline? I don't > see an option to make the polygons hollow nor can Polygons are always filled in PCB. PCB doesn't ha

Re: gEDA-user: More questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 23:18 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 14:06 -0800, Anthony Shanks wrote: > > I have a question about this method, how do I make a outline layer > > with either a hollow polygon or 4 lines to make an outline? I don't > > see an option to make the polygons

Re: gEDA-user: new ethernet chip...

2009-11-24 Thread DJ Delorie
> But on the subject of ethernet, the chip I do use is the Wiznet W5100, See also http://www.circuitcellar.com/iMCU/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: More questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 14:06 -0800, Anthony Shanks wrote: > I have a question about this method, how do I make a outline layer > with either a hollow polygon or 4 lines to make an outline? I don't > see an option to make the polygons hollow nor can I seem to connect > lines to anything other than pa

Re: gEDA-user: More questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Anthony Shanks
I have a question about this method, how do I make a outline layer with either a hollow polygon or 4 lines to make an outline? I don't see an option to make the polygons hollow nor can I seem to connect lines to anything other than pads. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: >

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Learning Scheme? WAS: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-24 Thread Gareth Edwards
2009/11/24 John Doty : > On Nov 24, 2009, at 7:54 AM, Gareth Edwards wrote: >> Do you mind if I copy this into the wiki? > > Go right ahead. > Done. added here: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gnetlist_scheme_tutorial and linked from here: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:guile_scripting Let me k

Re: gEDA-user: new ethernet chip...

2009-11-24 Thread Dylan Smith
I've not used these chips. But on the subject of ethernet, the chip I do use is the Wiznet W5100, it saves all the effort of having to have your own TCP/IP stack since it's offloaded in hardware. It's a very flexible chip, can be accessed via a full bus (14 bit address bus, 8 bit data bus), o

Re: gEDA-user: new ethernet chip...

2009-11-24 Thread Karl Hammar
Ben Jackson: > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 01:55:16PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > > Digikey has the new KSZ8851 series... multiple bus options > > (spi/8/16/32), built-in PHY, only 85 milliamps, under $10: > > > > http://www.micrel.com/page.do?page=product-info/embedded_control.jsp > > Neat. I w

Re: gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread Karl Hammar
A lot of people responding: > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Karl Hammar wrote: > > Can anyone recommend some good books on analog circuit design for > > audio, precision/low noise op.amp., emc, active filters and similar ? ... Thank you all, this is like Christmas... Regards, /Karl -

Re: gEDA-user: new ethernet chip...

2009-11-24 Thread DJ Delorie
> Too bad they want to generate a sales lead in return for giving you > a link to the datasheets. A company does good things, I don't mind giving them my email. It won't get past the spam filters anyway. > Luckily they're not bright enough to obscure the link: > > http://www.micrel.com/_

Re: gEDA-user: new ethernet chip...

2009-11-24 Thread Ben Jackson
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 01:55:16PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Digikey has the new KSZ8851 series... multiple bus options > (spi/8/16/32), built-in PHY, only 85 milliamps, under $10: > > http://www.micrel.com/page.do?page=product-info/embedded_control.jsp Neat. I was just thinking about a proj

gEDA-user: new ethernet chip...

2009-11-24 Thread DJ Delorie
Digikey has the new KSZ8851 series... multiple bus options (spi/8/16/32), built-in PHY, only 85 milliamps, under $10: http://www.micrel.com/page.do?page=product-info/embedded_control.jsp Anyone know anything about these chips? They look like I should be switching to them :-) _

Re: gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 18:09 +, Michael Sokolov wrote: > > There unfortunately exist some netiquette-deficient people who send HTML > E-mail and post such to mailing lists. Thanks for your comment -- I fully agree. But not all people do, see http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/Jun-2009/msg002

Re: gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread Michael Sokolov
Bill Gatliff wrote: > Quick OT question about the format of this email, which I see used a lot > on this list. Are you using an automated email filter to generate these > references, or do you do it by hand? If the former, what is the name of > the software? There unfortunately exist some neti

Re: gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread Bob Paddock
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Karl Hammar wrote: > Can anyone recommend some good books on analog circuit design for > audio, precision/low noise op.amp., emc, active filters and similar ? OpAmp Handbooks: >From TI: "OpAmps for Everyone", at 464 pages, RevB: http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/slod006

Re: gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread Torsten Wagner
Hi, not exact analogue design but an important aspect of todays mixed signal electronic... and maybe a little bit of insider tipp Keithley Instruments publish a booklet of how to measure very small signals (fA,pA,pV,nV) and of very low and very high resistances (uOhm, TOhm). You can not buy the b

Re: gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread Bill Gatliff
Michael Kaalund wrote: >Hi Karl > >There is also this book, there is 6 >lesson [1]http://openbookproject.net//electricCircuits/ > >Hopes it helps > >Best regards > >Michael Kaalund > > References > >1. http://openbookproject.net//electricCircuits/ > Quick OT question

Re: gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread Michael Kaalund
Hi Karl There is also this book, there is 6 lesson [1]http://openbookproject.net//electricCircuits/ Hopes it helps Best regards Michael Kaalund References 1. http://openbookproject.net//electricCircuits/ ___ geda-user mailing

Re: gEDA-user: Switch gschem to another scripting language?

2009-11-24 Thread Dave McGuire
On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:48 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: >>> Regular readers will recall that back in 2008 I had a stab at >>> swapping >>> Guile for TinyScheme. I came to the conclusion that if we used >>> TinyScheme >>> we'd be dooming ourselves to reimplementing half of Guile, badly. >> >>That

Re: gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread Andy Fierman
Hi Karl, It's worth having a look around Doug Self's site: http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/ampins/ampins.htm A lot of the info has been removed in advance of his publishing a new book but there's a lot of other stuff there and pointers to more. Andy. www.signality.co.uk 2009/11/24 J

Re: gEDA-user: howto print with "pcb -x eps" ?

2009-11-24 Thread DJ Delorie
That's the way (although I use ps not eps for batch printing), but don't put spaces in the layer stack string. Also, watch the pcb output for warnings about mis-named layers. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-

Re: gEDA-user: Footprint requests for pcb

2009-11-24 Thread DJ Delorie
> I may be mistaken, but SC70-5 is much smaller than SOT323 (0.65mm pin > spacing instead of 0.95mm). SOT-323 is 0.65mm pitch also. It's SOT-23 that's 0.95mm. There's a SOT-523 that's 0.5mm pitch. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: More questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread DJ Delorie
> In this case do I have to just edit the footprint? You have to edit the footprint. PCB won't place silkscreen off the board. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread John Luciani
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Karl Hammar <[1]k...@aspodata.se> wrote: Can anyone recommend some good books on analog circuit design for audio, precision/low noise op.amp., emc, active filters and similar ? National Semiconductor use to publish the "Audio/Radio Handboo

Re: gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread Gareth Edwards
2009/11/24 Karl Hammar : > Can anyone recommend some good books on analog circuit design for > audio, precision/low noise op.amp., emc, active filters and similar ? Hi Karl, Not sure how many are still in print, but if you seek out: Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill. Analog Circuit Design

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Learning Scheme? WAS: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-24 Thread John Doty
On Nov 24, 2009, at 7:54 AM, Gareth Edwards wrote: > >> And then, more specific to gnetlist, >> http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/Jul-2009/msg00235.html > > Do you mind if I copy this into the wiki? Go right ahead. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.c

Re: gEDA-user: OT: Learning Scheme? WAS: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-24 Thread Gareth Edwards
Hi John, 2009/11/22 John Doty : > And then, more specific to gnetlist, > http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/Jul-2009/msg00235.html Do you mind if I copy this into the wiki? Cheers Gareth ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www

Re: gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread asomers
The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill. It's the masterpiece of circuit design. Broad but shallow. Start with it. -Alan On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Karl Hammar wrote: > Can anyone recommend some good books on analog circuit design for > audio, precision/low noise op.amp., emc, active

Re: gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread Stuart Brorson
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Karl Hammar wrote: > Can anyone recommend some good books on analog circuit design for > audio, precision/low noise op.amp., emc, active filters and similar ? > > Regards, > /Karl Not necessarily books, but here are some web-based sources of great info: http://www.kevinaylwa

gEDA-user: "Analog" books

2009-11-24 Thread Karl Hammar
Can anyone recommend some good books on analog circuit design for audio, precision/low noise op.amp., emc, active filters and similar ? Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data k...@aspodata.se Li

Re: gEDA-user: Some questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 18:25 -0500, Mark Stanley wrote: > Rubber banding ratlines only works on through hole components. SMD's seem to > have been forgotten. > Once you've routed a net rubber banding works as expected with SMD's. It might be that you've been using the PCB+GL branch - where I th

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-24 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 21:06 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:03:31 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > > >> Why not change the workflow so that during schematic capture, there are > >> no pin numbers anywhere? "Pins" on symbols get assigned a physical pin > >> number during some

Re: gEDA-user: Footprint requests for pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:42:24PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Note: the SOT416 and SC70-5 might match some of the other footprints, > like SOT-23-5 or SOT-323-t. Check the dimensions. > I may be mistaken, but SC70-5 is much smaller than SOT323 (0.65mm pin spacing instead of 0.95mm). Here is

Re: gEDA-user: Footprint requests for pcb

2009-11-24 Thread John Luciani
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:13 AM, Anthony Shanks <[1]yamazak...@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry but can you give me a direct link? I can't find it on the site. [2]http://www.luciani.org/geda/pcb/pcb-footprint-list.html (* jcl *) -- You can't create open hardware with closed E

Re: gEDA-user: Switch gschem to another scripting language ?

2009-11-24 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:26:25 -0500, Dave McGuire wrote: > On Nov 23, 2009, at 4:45 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: >> Regular readers will recall that back in 2008 I had a stab at swapping >> Guile for TinyScheme. I came to the conclusion that if we used >> TinyScheme >> we'd be dooming ourselves to

Re: gEDA-user: More questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Atommann
2009/11/24 Ineiev : > On 11/24/09, Atommann wrote: >> Hi, >>> Second question, is there a ruler tool in pcb? >>> >> >> I observe the coordinate and make subtraction. > > Ctrl-M in default bindings marks a point, then dx, dy, phi and r are > shown near the coordinates - top right in GTK, low left i

Re: gEDA-user: More questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:17:15 -0800, Anthony Shanks wrote: > Is there anyway to move a footprint beyond the boundary of the board? > For example I want to move this jack (J1) so the connectors are sticking > out the board, but it doesnt want to move the silkscreen layer past the > board boundaries.

Re: gEDA-user: Some questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Jared Casper
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Well, check the command line options given in the pcb manual -- Hardly > any in the list is still valid with current pcb. > That part comes from doc/pcb.texi, which is much less likely to get updated than the comments in parse_y.y, which

Re: gEDA-user: More questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Ineiev
On 11/24/09, Atommann wrote: > Hi, >> Second question, is there a ruler tool in pcb? >> > > I observe the coordinate and make subtraction. Ctrl-M in default bindings marks a point, then dx, dy, phi and r are shown near the coordinates - top right in GTK, low left in Lesstif. Regards, Ineiev __

Re: gEDA-user: More questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Atommann
Hi, 2009/11/24 Anthony Shanks : > Is there anyway to move a footprint beyond the boundary of the board? > For example I want to move this jack (J1) so the connectors are > sticking out the board, but it doesnt want to move the silkscreen > layer past the board boundaries. In this case do I have to

Re: gEDA-user: Some questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:35:32 -0800, Jared Casper wrote: >>> http://pcb.gpleda.org/pcb-cvs/pcb.html#File-Formats > You can make the doc from the source in the repository, and it extracts > the file format info directly from comments in the parser file > (parse_y.y). So I would imagine it'd be pre

gEDA-user: More questions about pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Anthony Shanks
Is there anyway to move a footprint beyond the boundary of the board? For example I want to move this jack (J1) so the connectors are sticking out the board, but it doesnt want to move the silkscreen layer past the board boundaries. In this case do I have to just edit the footprint? http://img517.

Re: gEDA-user: Footprint requests for pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Anthony Shanks
Sorry but can you give me a direct link? I can't find it on the site. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM, John Luciani wrote: > >   I should have the 2.1mm jack and the SC70-5 at [1]luciani.org >   (* jcl *) > >   -- >   You can't create open hardware with closed EDA tools. >   twitter: [2]http://tw

Re: gEDA-user: Footprint requests for pcb

2009-11-24 Thread Anthony Shanks
What 2.1mm jack is this? This doesn't look like it matches the one I posted. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > Element["" "" "J?" "" 0 0 18701 -13780 0 144 ""] > ( >        Pin[-11811 0 14173 2000 14773 4300 "" "1" "edge2"] >        Pin[11811 0 14173 2000 14773 4300 "" "2"

Re: gEDA-user: [PCB] Selection of objects

2009-11-24 Thread Ineiev
On 11/24/09, Torsten Wagner wrote: > Oh really, lets see I just need to find out about the PCB-development > principles No need; I think it would be too long --- probably several years; personally, your humble servant knows very little about it; also, you actually don't need to care about oth