Re: gEDA-user: Number of Layers

2009-11-27 Thread Tony Radice
Unfortunately that beast had: 1) Thru-board vias at the minimum diameter hole size the fab shop would tolerate 2) Blinds, buried... lot's of 'em 3) Multiple independent power planes - boatloads of coupling and bypass caps 4) matched length lines - most being differential pairs 5) Controlled impeda

gEDA-user: New Dsub15 HD footprint & some questions

2009-11-27 Thread Anthony Shanks
Hi all, Attaching the new version of the dsub15 hd footprint, instead of drawing it with a mm grid I drew it with a mil grid and just made the mm to mil conversions from the diagram of the footprint I have. I also fixed the soldermask clearances, let me know if this symbol is good enough now to be

Re: gEDA-user: More strange ideas: Start PCB layout from symbols view

2009-11-27 Thread John Doty
On Nov 25, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Dan McMahill wrote: > Net probing won't work because gschem doesn't understand anything > about > connectivity. Which model of connectivity should it understand? There isn't just one. And if you implement one model in the gschem core, it will interfere with the

Re: gEDA-user: Number of Layers

2009-11-27 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 01:05:29PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > 64 bit machine? Ready for the 128 bit machines yet? ;-) > > No, that was 32-bit. Hey TeX uses 32 bit coordinates which an unit which is way smaller than PCB and the maximum paper size is around 10 meter IIRC (with a ~5nm resolut

Re: gEDA-user: Number of Layers

2009-11-27 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Tony Radice wrote: > The idea of a 56 layer board makes my eyes water. > I Have worked on a 36, and that was (believe me) BAD ENOUGH!! I've never seen more than 24 myself, and designed with more than 6, but I suspect that your 36 layer PCB had blind and b

Re: gEDA-user: Number of Layers

2009-11-27 Thread Tony Radice
The idea of a 56 layer board makes my eyes water. I Have worked on a 36, and that was (believe me) BAD ENOUGH!! T. Outstanding Work, Gentlemen... On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 11:29 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > I've tested up to 56 just by using the "add new layer" button. _

Re: gEDA-user: Number of Layers

2009-11-27 Thread DJ Delorie
> 64 bit machine? Ready for the 128 bit machines yet? ;-) No, that was 32-bit. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Number of Layers

2009-11-27 Thread Bob Paddock
>> The idea of a 56 layer board makes my eyes water. > > I also did a MAXINT-sized board once.  It worked out to be 0.25 miles > across.  I had an element the size and shape of my HOUSE and it was > still too small to see. 64 bit machine? Ready for the 128 bit machines yet? ;-) -- http://www.w

Re: gEDA-user: Number of Layers

2009-11-27 Thread DJ Delorie
> The idea of a 56 layer board makes my eyes water. I also did a MAXINT-sized board once. It worked out to be 0.25 miles across. I had an element the size and shape of my HOUSE and it was still too small to see. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: AutoRouter

2009-11-27 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 17:40 +, Ineiev wrote: > > Just checked the sources; looks like all places where that output might occur > are commented out. > Thanks -- so we will drop the toporouter-output option (USEFLAG) for Gentoo (temporally). Makes no sense to confuse users with not working o

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: AutoRouter

2009-11-27 Thread Ineiev
On 11/27/09, Stefan Salewski wrote: > All my knowledge is from this list: toporouter works more or less fine > with boards with no existing traces. So I used tut1.pcb, deleted all > existing traces and polygons (all in top and bottom layer), pressed key > "O" to optimize rats nest and :toporouter(

Re: gEDA-user: Dsub15 HD

2009-11-27 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 11:17 -0500, Ethan Swint wrote: > > On 11/27/2009 01:43 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > I set my mask clearance to be 3 mil away from the copper, that's what > > most fabs want. > > > Do you (or some one else) have a script that will edit the This thread (DJs answers) may hel

Re: gEDA-user: Dsub15 HD

2009-11-27 Thread Ethan Swint
>> pins/pads/vias on the board and automagically set the mask clearance to >> your desired value (e.g. 3 mils each side, +600 PCB units to the >> pad/pin/via copper). On my last board, I modified the numbers in a text >> editor, but a pearl script would be much easier. It would be a help if >> a

Re: gEDA-user: Dsub15 HD

2009-11-27 Thread Ineiev
On 11/27/09, Ethan Swint wrote: > > > On 11/27/2009 01:43 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: >> I set my mask clearance to be 3 mil away from the copper, that's what >> most fabs want. >> > Do you (or some one else) have a script that will edit the > pins/pads/vias on the board and automagically set the mask c

Re: gEDA-user: Number of Layers

2009-11-27 Thread DJ Delorie
I've tested up to 56 just by using the "add new layer" button. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Dsub15 HD

2009-11-27 Thread Ethan Swint
On 11/27/2009 01:43 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > I set my mask clearance to be 3 mil away from the copper, that's what > most fabs want. > Do you (or some one else) have a script that will edit the pins/pads/vias on the board and automagically set the mask clearance to your desired value (e.g. 3

Re: gEDA-user: Number of Layers

2009-11-27 Thread Torsten Wagner
Hi Tony, check the Wiki of Geda >Gentlemen - is there any forward prospect of increasing the number > of working layers (I am talking metal, as opposed to solder mask, paste, > silk, etc...) ? The current eight layers is great - don't get me wrong, > but I am looking at some work with very de

gEDA-user: Number of Layers

2009-11-27 Thread Tony Radice
To the Developers - Gentlemen - is there any forward prospect of increasing the number of working layers (I am talking metal, as opposed to solder mask, paste, silk, etc...) ? The current eight layers is great - don't get me wrong, but I am looking at some work with very dense FPGAs that would

Re: gEDA-user: Change footprints on finished PCB

2009-11-27 Thread Torsten Wagner
Hi Gareth, Hi Stefan, thanks for pointing this out. I will try to use it next time for small changes. However, I would have to make sure that I change the schematic in addition. Furthermore, I guess a simple gsch2pcb with different footprints in pcb and geschem would overwrite the local changes i

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: AutoRouter

2009-11-27 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:13 +, Ineiev wrote: > On 11/27/09, Stefan Salewski wrote: > > OK, --enable-toporouter-output is for debugging. > > > > But for PCB20091103 I do see no difference if built with > > --enable-toporouter-output or --disable-toporouter-output. > > The last time I tried it,

Re: gEDA-user: Change footprints on finished PCB

2009-11-27 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 21:54 +0900, Torsten Wagner wrote: > Hi, > > I just had to change some footprints for a nearly finished pcb This is bad -- a weak spot in PCB. If you modify Footprints in schematics they are removed and you have to place the new ones again manually. You can exchange them in

Re: gEDA-user: Change footprints on finished PCB

2009-11-27 Thread Gareth Edwards
2009/11/27 Torsten Wagner : > Hi, > > I just had to change some footprints for a nearly finished pcb (some > parts was tricky to order from resellers in small quantities). > I used gattrib which allowed me to change the footprints very easily. > After running gsch2pcb, I noticed that all old footpr

gEDA-user: Change footprints on finished PCB

2009-11-27 Thread Torsten Wagner
Hi, I just had to change some footprints for a nearly finished pcb (some parts was tricky to order from resellers in small quantities). I used gattrib which allowed me to change the footprints very easily. After running gsch2pcb, I noticed that all old footprints was removed from the pcb and I had

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: AutoRouter

2009-11-27 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:13 +, Ineiev wrote: > On 11/27/09, Stefan Salewski wrote: > > OK, --enable-toporouter-output is for debugging. > > > > But for PCB20091103 I do see no difference if built with > > --enable-toporouter-output or --disable-toporouter-output. > > The last time I tried it,

Re: gEDA-user: Dsub15 HD

2009-11-27 Thread Ineiev
On 11/27/09, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 07:40:54AM +0100, Bert Timmerman wrote: >> IMHO, it's is a major pitah that pcb doesn't allow for interactive >> entering/changing these values in the popup dialog (that is present >> values in entry boxes instead of text labels). > > S

Re: gEDA-user: Dsub15 HD

2009-11-27 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 07:40:54AM +0100, Bert Timmerman wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > Anthony Shanks wrote: > > Finally getting the hang of the footprint file format, here is a > > footprint of a dsub 15 high density connector (Analog VGA) if anyone > > needs it. > > > > More footprints to come. > >