Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> It can't be that simple or else someone would have done it alreay. Maybe it is, there's so many little things people want that we few developers just don't have time to work on them all. Give it a try, maybe you'll succeed. You certainly won't succeed if you *don't* try. ___

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread timecop
It can't be that simple or else someone would have done it alreay. On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:12 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> I think the first thing before this discussion gets out of hand is >> to asap add clicking x/y to set center and clicking again to set >> radius or just popping up a dialogbo

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> I think the first thing before this discussion gets out of hand is > to asap add clicking x/y to set center and clicking again to set > radius or just popping up a dialogbox to set radius/correct XY after > one click in 'circle' tool mode. Go ahead. ___

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread timecop
Seriously? gEDA can't draw circles? I think the first thing before this discussion gets out of hand is to asap add clicking x/y to set center and clicking again to set radius or just popping up a dialogbox to set radius/correct XY after one click in 'circle' tool mode. Then you can spend the next

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 25, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote: > On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:57:20 -0800 > Dave N6NZ wrote: > >> >> On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:45 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: >> >>> >>> Everything in pcb supports non-90 arcs, except for the ability to >>> create them. Someone needs to come up with a

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-25 Thread Bob Paddock
> The problem I hit with BRL-CAD was it had a horribly written build system. >  It was a shining example of how *not* to use autoconf.  I got so frustrated > by that I stopped playing around with the tool, but that was 4 or 5 years > ago and I see there have been releases since then. They use CMak

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-25 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:36:29 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: > The problem I hit with BRL-CAD was it had a horribly written build > system. > It was a shining example of how *not* to use autoconf. The problem I had with BRL was a user interface that requires a learning curve as steep as the eiger n

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-25 Thread Dan McMahill
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: I just got aware of the open source mechanical CAD project freecad. It hit the debian repository a month ago. Although it is still lacking important features, much of the basic infrastructure is already up and running. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCAD_(Juergen_Rieg

Re: gEDA-user: Part (and net) identifying tooltips for PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:28:38 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > Those using any of my repository branches get to try it out "for free" Oh, time for a "git fetch"! :-) By the way, there was a nice patch by you for gschem, that creates a new net, when pins touch. I really liked this improvement in usa

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-25 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 01:46 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:30:09 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > > >> If pcb is to export, or import 3D data, I suggest to choose freecad > >> format. This is fully documented XML with no NDA restrictions or > >> dubious backengineering. In ad

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-25 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:30:09 +, Peter Clifton wrote: >> If pcb is to export, or import 3D data, I suggest to choose freecad >> format. This is fully documented XML with no NDA restrictions or >> dubious backengineering. In addition, freecad will be able to export to >> a number of standard 3D

Re: gEDA-user: Part (and net) identifying tooltips for PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 20:32 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > I've knocked it together as a proof of concept. The APIs used were > > introduced in GTK 2.12 unfortunately (I didn't see much point > > writing new code using the old deprecated APIs which weren't as > > useful). > > Does this mean I need t

Re: gEDA-user: Part (and net) identifying tooltips for PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 01:28 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > Does the attached patch inspire anyone to have a play and improve it? > > I've knocked it together as a proof of concept. The APIs used were > introduced in GTK 2.12 unfortunately (I didn't see much point writing > new code using the old de

Re: gEDA-user: Part (and net) identifying tooltips for PCB

2010-02-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> I've knocked it together as a proof of concept. The APIs used were > introduced in GTK 2.12 unfortunately (I didn't see much point > writing new code using the old deprecated APIs which weren't as > useful). Does this mean I need to upgrade from 2.10 ?

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-25 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 01:22 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > If pcb is to export, or import 3D data, I suggest to choose freecad > format. This is fully documented XML with no NDA restrictions or dubious > backengineering. In addition, freecad will be able to export to a number > of standard 3D

gEDA-user: Part (and net) identifying tooltips for PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Peter Clifton
Does the attached patch inspire anyone to have a play and improve it? I've knocked it together as a proof of concept. The APIs used were introduced in GTK 2.12 unfortunately (I didn't see much point writing new code using the old deprecated APIs which weren't as useful). The patch works, but prob

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-25 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:09:30 -0800, Girvin R. Herr wrote: > Have you, or anyone in the group, used FreeCAD for any useful work? Like I said before, at this point in time it is still lacking important features. E.g. there is no support for drilling holes. New primitives are inserted with some fi

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Vanessa Ezekowitz
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:57:20 -0800 Dave N6NZ wrote: > > On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:45 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > > > Everything in pcb supports non-90 arcs, except for the ability to > > create them. Someone needs to come up with a friendly way to > > create/edit arcs that aren't 90 degrees, tha

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 14:57 -0800, Dave N6NZ wrote: > On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:45 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > > > Everything in pcb supports non-90 arcs, except for the ability to > > create them. Someone needs to come up with a friendly way to > > create/edit arcs that aren't 90 degrees, that's a

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 25, 2010, at 10:45 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Everything in pcb supports non-90 arcs, except for the ability to > create them. Someone needs to come up with a friendly way to > create/edit arcs that aren't 90 degrees, that's all. FWIW QCad has 3 pimary arc creation modes: 1. click1 sets c

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 21:08 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > > Not everything -- I think silk or copper arcs are not supported for > footprint files? And I think he was mostly concerned with footprints? Sorry -- of course we have silk arcs in footprints, but currently we have no copper arcs. _

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread DJ Delorie
I meant: everything that supports arcs, supports angles other than 90. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 13:45 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > Everything in pcb supports non-90 arcs, except for the ability to > create them. Someone needs to come up with a friendly way to > create/edit arcs that aren't 90 degrees, that's all. > Not everything -- I think silk or copper arcs are not s

gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread Mike Bushroe
Does anyone know why there is no button or menu command to create a full circle in PCB? I know that the file format actually describes arcs as fractions of a circle, and that it can just as easily be a 360 degree fraction as the 90 degree limit imposed by the GUI. But when making foo

Re: gEDA-user: Making circles in PCB

2010-02-25 Thread DJ Delorie
Everything in pcb supports non-90 arcs, except for the ability to create them. Someone needs to come up with a friendly way to create/edit arcs that aren't 90 degrees, that's all. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-25 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] >If you are looking for 2D CAD, then go with QCad. I've done a lot with that. > It is very mature and very solid. I use it for all my 2D CAD designs, and I' >ve used their .dxf I/O library in a CAM program for one of my tools. Unfortunately the current version of QCad is not fr

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-25 Thread John Luciani
Fiducials and Keepouts -- The last mfg I dealt with recommended that the fiducial be a copper circle with a diameter between 0.5mm and 3.5mm and that the solder mask diameter be three times larger than the copper. I made a single 1mm pad footprint with the 3mm clearance. IIRC the

Re: gEDA-user: gschem text line spacing in postscript

2010-02-25 Thread Duncan Drennan
> This one adds a 12% leading to the text spacing for print, causing it to > pretty well match my on-screen leading. YMMV depending on what fonts > your system chooses. This patch works beautifully. I tried it out with the font scaling set to 1.0 and 1.3 and the result was consistent line spacing

Re: gEDA-user: any last minute advice prior to sending out for PCB fab

2010-02-25 Thread gene glick
John Griessen wrote: Bob Paddock wrote: Not sure. I know our CM loves that I put fuducials on the QFN So these footprint fiducials are outboard of the part so they show in a vision system as the part is being placed? Do you put silk outline outside them or some silk circles around each one

Re: gEDA-user: Open Source mechanical CAD on the horizon

2010-02-25 Thread Dave N6NZ
On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: > > > Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: >> I just got aware of the open source mechanical CAD project freecad. It hit >> the debian repository a month ago. Although it is still lacking important >> features, much of the basic infrastructure is already