Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-10-01 Thread Steven Michalske
As you guys continue to debate this... Look at how pcb makes the xyrs data files. You'll findout that it generates it from the pcb file not the library. It takes the center of the part from the pins and pads. Then it puts pin 1 somewhere consistent. See the source for details. On Oct 2,

Re: gEDA-user: multiple monitors

2010-10-01 Thread John Griessen
On 10/01/2010 04:56 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: May it be good to have multiple active working windows for PCB/gschem, I eventually would like to have a mode where a specified monitor is "taken over" as a PCB editing window (i.e. full-screen view), and the regular main window (which would be on some

Re: gEDA-user: pcb-20100929 released

2010-10-01 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Stefan Salewski wrote: >> Frequent releases are good for the project. > > I think more important is, that the releases/snapshots are free from > serious bugs. The imperative "Release early, release often" is a key to successful open source projects. More details here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w

Re: gEDA-user: pcb-20100929 released

2010-10-01 Thread DJ Delorie
> How are you developers going to deal with this? By bringing in more developers, I hope :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: multiple monitors

2010-10-01 Thread DJ Delorie
> So, DJ, What do you put up on those four monitors? Note that I *also* have four *virtual* desktops, so 16 monitors total. The four virtual desktops are: electronics, usenet, work, and other. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http:/

Re: gEDA-user: multiple monitors

2010-10-01 Thread DJ Delorie
> So, DJ, What do you put up on those four monitors? For electronics work, PCB on the main (center) monitor, PDFs or schematics on the rest. PCB's tear-off menus go on the side monitors. The main monitor is a 2560x1600 30" display. The two side monitors are Dell 2001FP monitors, rotated 90 deg

Re: gEDA-user: pcb minor release, C++ and Gtk cleanup

2010-10-01 Thread DJ Delorie
> But I am not really sure if multiple monitors are a real benefit, I have one big main monitor, and a small monitor rotated into portrait mode on each side. The main monitor is for development; the left monitor for email, sticky notes, and music; the right monitor for my various chat windows.

Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-10-01 Thread Rick Collins
At 05:34 PM 10/1/2010, you wrote: Rick Collins wrote: >>If for whatever reason the designer used 2 different footprints for >>the same part occuring >>several times on a board, if the footprints are position/rotation >>inconsisten... > > I have no idea why anyone would do that. Real world examp

Re: gEDA-user: gschem sym files

2010-10-01 Thread Carlos Nieves Ónega
El mar, 28-09-2010 a las 15:36 +0200, Karl Hammar escribió: > Karl: > > > 1b, identify the correct meaning of pintype values as used today > > > > Since drc2 is the only user of the pintype value, I looked into it. > ... > > Note A, > > since drc-matrix is symmetric (connection a -> b is the >

Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-10-01 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Rick Collins wrote: >>If for whatever reason the designer used 2 different footprints for >>the same part occuring >>several times on a board, if the footprints are position/rotation >>inconsisten... > > I have no idea why anyone would do that. Real world example: PhD student Foo designs some

Re: gEDA-user: pcb-20100929 released

2010-10-01 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 23:06 +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > DJ Delorie wrote: > > > Perhaps frequent "patch" releases on this source base would make > > sense. > > Sure. > Frequent releases are good for the project. I think more important is, that the releases/snapshots are free from serious b

Re: gEDA-user: pcb-20100929 released

2010-10-01 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
DJ Delorie wrote: > Perhaps frequent "patch" releases on this source base would make > sense. Sure. Frequent releases are good for the project. But the bottleneck seems to be screening and either reject or apply patches in the first place. See the patches that hit the list this week. How are yo

Re: gEDA-user: multiple monitors

2010-10-01 Thread Rick Collins
At 04:31 PM 10/1/2010, you wrote: On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 08:31:37PM +0100, Peter TB Brett wrote: > > I couldn't live without multiple monitors. I decided I could live with one monitor... It's an LG 30" LCD 2560x1600. At work I use 2x20" (total 3200x1200, just slightly fewer pixels). The one b

Re: gEDA-user: multiple monitors

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Jackson
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 08:31:37PM +0100, Peter TB Brett wrote: > > I couldn't live without multiple monitors. I decided I could live with one monitor... It's an LG 30" LCD 2560x1600. At work I use 2x20" (total 3200x1200, just slightly fewer pixels). The one big display is much more flexible an

Re: gEDA-user: multiple monitors

2010-10-01 Thread John Griessen
On 10/01/2010 02:31 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote: On the other hand, there is such a thing as too much screen real estate. I don't think a third monitor would be worthwhile for my workstation setup, for example. So, DJ, What do you put up on those four monitors? John __

Re: gEDA-user: multiple monitors

2010-10-01 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 19:40:54 +0200, Stefan Salewski wrote: > On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 10:52 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: >> > Do you have an explanation for this? >> >> Yes. Four monitors with one desktop means there's a lot of overhead > > I still have only one monitor, and I wonder how useful workin

Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-10-01 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Armin Faltl wrote: > I think registration marks help a lot. Attached you find my favourite > mark, that regrettably can't be converted into a footprint, because it > contains polygons. I converted it to a footprint anyway ;-) The central corner can be done with square pads. The pads are exposed

Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-10-01 Thread Rick Collins
At 02:47 PM 10/1/2010, you wrote: Rick Collins wrote: Where I want to get us, is being a consistent customer, for whom they no longer need to think about step b). From what I can tell, they don't bother with the two steps. The machine picks the part from the feeder and before placing it, the

gEDA-user: multiple monitors

2010-10-01 Thread John Griessen
On 10/01/2010 12:40 PM, Stefan Salewski wrote: I still have only one monitor, and I wonder how useful working with multiple monitors really is. Is turning the head really better than switching to another virtual screen? Yes, it's instant. You can also copy and paste from different apps an

Re: gEDA-user: new footprint guidelines

2010-10-01 Thread Armin Faltl
Rick Collins wrote: Where I want to get us, is being a consistent customer, for whom they no longer need to think about step b). From what I can tell, they don't bother with the two steps. The machine picks the part from the feeder and before placing it, the operator verifies it is oriented

Re: gEDA-user: pcb minor release, C++ and Gtk cleanup

2010-10-01 Thread timecop
> I still have only one monitor, and I wonder how useful working with Is it at least color? > multiple monitors really is. Prices are not really high in these days, > and power consumption is about 20W each, not too much compared with > other hardware. I think the greatest "benefit" is: If your bo

Re: gEDA-user: pcb minor release, C++ and Gtk cleanup

2010-10-01 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 10:52 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Do you have an explanation for this? > > Yes. Four monitors with one desktop means there's a lot of overhead I still have only one monitor, and I wonder how useful working with multiple monitors really is. Prices are not really high in the

Re: gEDA-user: Icarus Verilog 0.9.3 is Available

2010-10-01 Thread Stephen Williams
Hirokatsu SUNAKAWA wrote: > On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:05:06 -0700 > Stephen Williams wrote: > >> More details, including known limitations, deviations from IEEE Std >> 1364-2005, where to obtain the source code, and links to some of the >> precompiled packages can be found in the Release Notes locat

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Change default file-filter in open-dialog

2010-10-01 Thread Armin Faltl
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Maybe "update from schematic" to make it very obvious. wanted to say the same thing As to toolbar vs. menu, I prefer to not clutter the toolbar with things that aren't used a lot, me too :-) +1 ___ geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Change default file-filter in open-dialog

2010-10-01 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Rick Collins wrote: > Maybe this is too obvious, but if it is "update" or "forward > annotate", then why not call it that? +1 I'd prefer the term "update". The action comprises more than just annotation. New footprints are loaded, too. Maybe "update from schematic" to make it very obvious.

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Change default file-filter in open-dialog

2010-10-01 Thread DJ Delorie
> Maybe this is too obvious, but if it is "update" or "forward > annotate", then why not call it that? One of the things that makes > learning a package difficult is having to learn new nomenclature. Designing an intuitive GUI is not easy... > As to toolbar vs. menu, I prefer to not clutter the

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Change default file-filter in open-dialog

2010-10-01 Thread Rick Collins
Maybe this is too obvious, but if it is "update" or "forward annotate", then why not call it that? One of the things that makes learning a package difficult is having to learn new nomenclature. As to toolbar vs. menu, I prefer to not clutter the toolbar with things that aren't used a lot, esp

Re: gEDA-user: pcb minor release, C++ and Gtk cleanup

2010-10-01 Thread DJ Delorie
> Do you have an explanation for this? Yes. Four monitors with one desktop means there's a lot of overhead in the X core, it *really* slows down certain types of operations because the proprietary nvidia drivers don't combine them in hardware. I'm hoping to get the latest nouveau drivers to do a

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Change default file-filter in open-dialog

2010-10-01 Thread DJ Delorie
"Import schematics" is more of an "update" or "forward annotate". You use it to migrate any changes in the schematic, to the layout. It really wants to be on a toolbar button... ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/

Re: gEDA-user: Icarus Verilog 0.9.3 is Available

2010-10-01 Thread Hirokatsu SUNAKAWA
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:05:06 -0700 Stephen Williams wrote: > > More details, including known limitations, deviations from IEEE Std > 1364-2005, where to obtain the source code, and links to some of the > precompiled packages can be found in the Release Notes located here: > >

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Change default file-filter in open-dialog

2010-10-01 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi Felix, > -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Felix Ruoff > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:13 AM > To: k...@familieknaak.de; gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Change default file-fil

Re: gEDA-user: Multiple pages

2010-10-01 Thread Maciej Pijanka
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, kai-martin knaak wrote: > al davis wrote: > > > On Tuesday 17 August 2010, kai-martin knaak wrote: > >> I tend to do simulation with ltspice. > > > > You have said many times how much you love LTspice, > > 2) predefined signal and probe symbols I created small addon to s

Re: gEDA-user: pcb minor release, C++ and Gtk cleanup

2010-10-01 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 10:52 +0200, Armin Faltl wrote: > > DJ Delorie wrote: > >> Time to plug-in a graphics card? Almost any nvidia model would do. > >> > > > > I have a pair of Nvidia 9800 GT cards in my box, and yet the plain X > > Lesstif HID still blows everything else away. The cards al

Re: gEDA-user: pcb minor release, C++ and Gtk cleanup

2010-10-01 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 04:16 +0200, kai-martin knaak wrote: > > Peter's branch is still several times slower than elder GUIs > > on all my machines, Sounds like an OpenGL driver problem - it must be using software emulation (or perhaps lack a full range visuals with stencil bits). [snip] > That

Re: gEDA-user: pcb minor release, C++ and Gtk cleanup

2010-10-01 Thread Armin Faltl
DJ Delorie wrote: Time to plug-in a graphics card? Almost any nvidia model would do. I have a pair of Nvidia 9800 GT cards in my box, and yet the plain X Lesstif HID still blows everything else away. The cards alone are only part of the pipeline. Do you have an explanation for this?

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Change default file-filter in open-dialog

2010-10-01 Thread Felix Ruoff
kai-martin knaak wrote: I'd say, the default should be *.pcb + *.fp . These are by far the most likely files you'd want to load. Thanks to all for your replys! I found a way to store the last-used folder at a GKeyFile. But it is not well integrated yet, so it will need some days until I will m