Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Geoff Swan
01005 (0402 metric) : 0.016" × 0.008" (0.4 mm × 0.2 mm) 0201 (0603 metric) : 0.024" × 0.012" (0.6 mm × 0.3 mm) 0402 (1005 metric) : 0.04" × 0.02" (1.0 mm × 0.5 mm) 0603 (1608 metric) : 0.063" × 0.031" (1.6 mm × 0.8 mm) 0805 (2013 metric) : 0.08" × 0.05" (2.0

Re: gEDA-user: file format documentation formatting in the wiki

2011-05-25 Thread Ethan Swint
On 05/25/2011 06:22 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Krzysztof Kościuszkiewicz wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 05:04:04PM +0200, Felix Ruoff wrote: I like this idea! Had the same problem few times... +1 done. ---<)kaimartin(>--- $0.02 request/opinion from me: a keyword, rather than a number, so

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 02:40:58PM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 25 May 2011 23:03:06 +0200 > Gabriel Paubert wrote: > > > This said, most capacitors look to have a square profile, but > > resonance frequencies observed on microstrip line change between > > mounting the layers parallel

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: option dumpmenu missing

2011-05-25 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Felix Ruoff wrote: > Later in that thread > (http://www.seul.org/pipermail/geda-user/2010-April/046781.html) you > said, that you will send the patches, but I can't find an attachment I forgot to attach in that post and sent another one a few minutes later: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.com

Re: gEDA-user: chip data directories in a library ( library packages )

2011-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> >> But the seed idea is growing on me too. > > > > Beats python eggs! > > There is certainly a smell of coolness. But the entities don't > act as seedlings. It was supposed to be a pun. Seed? Grow? :-P ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@mor

Re: gEDA-user: chip data directories in a library ( library packages )

2011-05-25 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
John Griessen wrote: >> But the seed idea is growing on me too. > > Beats python eggs! There is certainly a smell of coolness. But the entities don't act as seedlings. They are not self contained and they don't unfold into something bigger. Instead, many different of them are used as buildin

Re: gEDA-user: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> Otherwise my head starts to twirl in confusion over how to support > it or maintain the tool that does it. True. Please re-read my pin mapping doc, and see if your swirling head can come up with a solution ;-) http://www.delorie.com/pcb/pin-mapping.html Maybe the solution for FPGAs and the l

Re: gEDA-user: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread John Griessen
On 05/24/2011 07:22 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: if it's layout-specific data, the copy in the layout is correct. Perhaps we need to keep track of whether the data in the layout and schematic originated in that file, or is the result of user changes elsewhere being imported. But any solution depends on

Re: gEDA-user: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
David C. Kerber wrote: > The easy answer to this is to do what Cisco does with their ASDM > software: you can set an option that tells it to present to the > user the exact text of every command it is sending to the router. I have seen some CAD suites do this. IIRC, these were MicroStation, va

Re: gEDA-user: file format documentation formatting in the wiki

2011-05-25 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Krzysztof Kościuszkiewicz wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 05:04:04PM +0200, Felix Ruoff wrote: >> I like this idea! > > Had the same problem few times... > > +1 > done. ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Email: k...@familieknaak.de Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pool.sks-keyservers.

Re: gEDA-user: chip data directories in a library ( library packages )

2011-05-25 Thread John Griessen
On 05/24/2011 04:02 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Mike Bushroe writes: > As for names, data pack I like data pack. But the seed idea is growing on me too. Beats python eggs! They sound like a natural disaster in Florida... ___ geda-user mailing list g

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Russell Dill
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 25 May 2011 23:03:06 +0200 > Gabriel Paubert wrote: > >> This said, most capacitors look to have a square profile, but >> resonance frequencies observed on microstrip line change between >> mounting the layers parallel or perpendic

Re: gEDA-user: cvs.gedasymbols.org and gschem

2011-05-25 Thread Karl Hammar
Peter: > k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes: > >[about code that enables recursion in component-library-search] > Nack, for a number of reasons. > * > 1) GRegex was introduced in GLib 2.14, and during the 1.7.x cycle we are > targetting GLib 2.12 or later. Regular expression is actually

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 25 May 2011 23:03:06 +0200 Gabriel Paubert wrote: > This said, most capacitors look to have a square profile, but > resonance frequencies observed on microstrip line change between > mounting the layers parallel or perpendicular to the ground plane. > The problem is that, for most capacit

Re: gEDA-user: Task list for: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> http://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/user_guides/ug385.pdf Ok, I'll put you down for that one. (in case you hadn't noticed, the rule today is "if you suggest it, you get to do it" ;) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http:/

Re: gEDA-user: Task list for: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread Stephen Ecob
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Tom Pope wrote: > Just dwelling on the 'what' phase a little more, can we start a few > pages on the wiki for people to list: > > a) all the workflows people would like supported (maybe break it down > into newby GUI workflows, 'power user' GUI workflows and script

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Russell Dill
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:11:49AM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: >> On Wed, 25 May 2011 06:41:26 -0700 >> Colin D Bennett wrote: >> >> > (1) Why is RESC0603L/N/M much smaller than '0603'? >> > (2) Why is there no similarly named set of RES

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:10:13AM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 25 May 2011 16:56:46 +0200 > Gabriel Paubert wrote: > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:11:49AM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > > On Wed, 25 May 2011 06:41:26 -0700 > > > Colin D Bennett wrote: > > > > > > > (1) Why is RE

Re: gEDA-user: file format documentation formatting in the wiki

2011-05-25 Thread Krzysztof Kościuszkiewicz
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 05:04:04PM +0200, Felix Ruoff wrote: > I like this idea! Had the same problem few times... +1 -- Krzysztof Kościuszkiewicz "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" -- Leonardo da Vinci ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> > > - 0603 > > This is RESC1608N > > It's designed for the same component package, but the footprints in pcb > are not identical. Not exactly, no, but that's the closest substitution. > (1) Is the SMD package "metric name" commonly used or standardized? I think that's more of a personal choi

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 25 May 2011 11:10:13 -0700 Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 25 May 2011 16:56:46 +0200 > Gabriel Paubert wrote: > > > Indeed. I found a set of recommended footprints that distinguishes > > resistors from capacitors: > ... > Have you found the Walsin-recommended footprints for SMD chip

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 25 May 2011 16:56:46 +0200 Gabriel Paubert wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:11:49AM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > On Wed, 25 May 2011 06:41:26 -0700 > > Colin D Bennett wrote: > > > > > (1) Why is RESC0603L/N/M much smaller than '0603'? > > > (2) Why is there no similarly named s

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 25 May 2011 13:11:50 -0400 DJ Delorie wrote: > > > - 0603 > > This is RESC1608N It's designed for the same component package, but the footprints in pcb are not identical. > > - RESC0603L / RESC0603N / RESC0603M > > These are metric :-) As I said before, not at all confusing. Surely

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: option dumpmenu missing

2011-05-25 Thread Felix Ruoff
Thank you! Am 25.05.2011 19:21, schrieb DJ Delorie: A patch to remove this from documentation (and one variable from the source) is appended. Pushed. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ge

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: option dumpmenu missing

2011-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> A patch to remove this from documentation (and one variable from the > source) is appended. Pushed. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: option dumpmenu missing

2011-05-25 Thread Felix Ruoff
A patch to remove this from documentation (and one variable from the source) is appended. Kind regards, Felix Am 25.05.2011 19:11, schrieb DJ Delorie: I think that option is a leftover from my initial HID conversion. It would have been lesstif-specific anyway, the gtk hid has its own menu file

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> - 0603 This is RESC1608N > - RESC0603L / RESC0603N / RESC0603M These are metric :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: option dumpmenu missing

2011-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
I think that option is a leftover from my initial HID conversion. It would have been lesstif-specific anyway, the gtk hid has its own menu file (gpcb-menu.res, same locations) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi

Re: gEDA-user: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> The easy answer to this is to do what Cisco does with their ASDM > software: you can set an option that tells it to present to the user > the exact text of every command it is sending to the router. PCB is close to this - many of the things it does already go through the action (scripting) laye

Re: gEDA-user: Task list for: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> The fundamental problem here is that gnetlist is designed to deliver John, I think this is your exuse to rewrite it from scratch "the right way". As they say, "show us your power". ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul

Re: gEDA-user: Task list for: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> can we start a few pages on the wiki for people to list: Go for it. > If someone can spell out what's desired I'm happy to help out making > symbol and footprint libraries. At this point, I think "If you want to do it" is the criteria for the heavy libraries. Don't worry about what people wa

Re: gEDA-user: Task list for: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread DJ Delorie
> I don't claim to have any great level of experience in writing APIs > at all - but I have already started some parts db stuff I would like > to continue - put me down against some parts db work. Done! :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.s

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: option dumpmenu missing

2011-05-25 Thread Felix Ruoff
Hello Kai-Martin, Am 25.05.2011 16:32, schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak: Last year, I wrote a set patches to correct this and while at it, move the source of the information into the source. I introduced an additional parameter in the comment syntax to allow for arbitrary sequence in the compiled manua

Re: gEDA-user: file format documentation formatting in the wiki

2011-05-25 Thread Felix Ruoff
I like this idea! Am 25.05.2011 16:46, schrieb Kai-Martin Knaak: While looking into ways to beautify my symbols, I just looked at the file format documentation in http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:file_format_spec The meaning of fields is given in tables. I find myself counting lines in the tab

gEDA-user: file format documentation formatting in the wiki

2011-05-25 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
While looking into ways to beautify my symbols, I just looked at the file format documentation in http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:file_format_spec The meaning of fields is given in tables. I find myself counting lines in the table to identify which item to change in my symbols. How about a colum

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: option dumpmenu missing

2011-05-25 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Felix Ruoff wrote: > in the pcb-documentation "B.3 Menu Files and Defaults" is the > command-line option -dumpmenu described, Almost all the command line options described in the PCB manual are bogus. Apparently, the options got a major rewrite sometime in the past which did not make it into the

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:11:49AM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 25 May 2011 06:41:26 -0700 > Colin D Bennett wrote: > > > (1) Why is RESC0603L/N/M much smaller than '0603'? > > (2) Why is there no similarly named set of RESC0805L/N/M for 0805 > > size? (3) Why does RESC1608M nearly mat

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Colin D Bennett
On Wed, 25 May 2011 06:41:26 -0700 Colin D Bennett wrote: > (1) Why is RESC0603L/N/M much smaller than '0603'? > (2) Why is there no similarly named set of RESC0805L/N/M for 0805 > size? (3) Why does RESC1608M nearly match the '0603' footprint? > Is there an imperial/metric naming confusion h

gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Colin D Bennett
I discovered that the pcb footprint library contains a number of 0603 SMT footprints. The primary ones I am concerned with are: - 0603 - RESC0603L / RESC0603N / RESC0603M and likewise for 0402. I understand that the IPC standard defines three footprints for these SMT parts, called Least, Nomina

gEDA-user: PCB: option dumpmenu missing

2011-05-25 Thread Felix Ruoff
Hello, in the pcb-documentation "B.3 Menu Files and Defaults" is the command-line option -dumpmenu described, but it did not work at my system. I have searched the source-code and just one boolean variable 'DumpMenuFile' in global.h can be found. Did I miss something? If someone of you confi

Re: gEDA-user: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread David C. Kerber
> -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of John Doty > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:05 PM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem > > > On May 24, 2011, a

Re: gEDA-user: Task list for: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread John Doty
On May 25, 2011, at 3:38 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > * gnetlist needs the most work. It needs to be able to read a set of > rules, query the database, and fill in additional attributes based > on the rules. This need not be more than just "fill in the blanks" > for now. The fundamental problem

Re: gEDA-user: Task list for: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread Tom Pope
Just dwelling on the 'what' phase a little more, can we start a few pages on the wiki for people to list: a) all the workflows people would like supported (maybe break it down into newby GUI workflows, 'power user' GUI workflows and scripted flows. b) new features wishlist c) jobs that need doing

Re: gEDA-user: Task list for: Solving the light/heavy symbol problem

2011-05-25 Thread Geoff Swan
I don't claim to have any great level of experience in writing APIs at all - but I have already started some parts db stuff I would like to continue - put me down against some parts db work. cheers, Geoff On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:38 PM, DJ Delorie <[1]d...@delorie.com> wrote: