Re: gEDA-user: unconnected tracks

2011-09-15 Thread Russell Dill
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:43 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> But then I realized that I don't really understand what "all >> connected objects" is supposed ot mean. > > Read as "all found objects" and it makes more sense. > Still not making sense to me, found by what metric?

Re: gEDA-user: unconnected tracks

2011-09-15 Thread Russell Dill
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Is there any way in PCB to select all unconnected track segments in a > layout? This would come handy on redesign. > I thought "select all visible objects" followed by "unselect all connected objects" might work. But then I realized that

Re: gEDA-user: Speaker SPICE modeling with gschem and ng-spice/gnucap

2011-09-12 Thread Russell Dill
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:39 PM, John Doty wrote: > > On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Hannu Vuolasaho wrote: > >> I have been playing with one guitar amplifier project for a while and so far >> the amplifier design has been more or less copy and paste and simulate and >> guess from graphs. However

Re: gEDA-user: Speaker SPICE modeling with gschem and ng-spice/gnucap

2011-09-12 Thread Russell Dill
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Hannu Vuolasaho wrote: > > Hi! > > I have been playing with one guitar amplifier project for a while and so far > the amplifier design has been more or less copy and paste and simulate and > guess from graphs. However I bumped in net this blog post > > http://nor

Re: gEDA-user: CERN goes for KiCAD

2011-09-12 Thread Russell Dill
>> That's a good point.  Where could things be best shared >> between KiCad and gEDA? >> > > Footprint editor ? > > https://github.com/bert/fped > > Fped lives in Ubuntu and Fedora, and maybe other distros, with support for > KiCAD users. > > Anyone interested in a parametric footprint editor with

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Russell Dill
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Bert Timmerman wrote: > Hi Russell, > >> -Original Message- >> From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org >> [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Russell Dill >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 10:21 PM >&

Re: gEDA-user: test repo

2011-09-05 Thread Russell Dill
>> with one checked-out version you know >> works, or maintain your own bugfix branch.  Git head is where >> development happens, and when we're bringing in big changes, stuff >> breaks. > > This is why other projects like KiCAD provide a dedicated testing repo. > Debian even has four stages (exper

Re: gEDA-user: pcb gtk: Toggle buttons for route styles?

2011-09-02 Thread Russell Dill
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 20:26 -0700, Russell Dill wrote: >> >> Throwing out a crazy idea.. in word-processors etc.., "styles" are found >> >> in a drop-down combo-box. I know that doesn't fit so w

Re: gEDA-user: How to find which specific part of a PCB is shorted?

2011-09-02 Thread Russell Dill
> > Since we have such a good, algorithmic method for finding these shorts, > perhaps we can write some code to do it for our puny human minds?  ;) > > Usually, when I have power and ground shorted, it's because of a via placed > some where that was accidentally assigned thermals to the wrong layer

Re: gEDA-user: pcb gtk: Toggle buttons for route styles?

2011-09-01 Thread Russell Dill
>> Throwing out a crazy idea.. in word-processors etc.., "styles" are found >> in a drop-down combo-box. I know that doesn't fit so well with where we >> have space for the route-style selector, but just a crazy though. >> > > One day, when we support an unlimited number of route styles. ;) > Yes,

Re: gEDA-user: pcb gtk: Toggle buttons for route styles?

2011-09-01 Thread Russell Dill
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Andrew Poelstra wrote: > > Hey all, > > Can we use toggle buttons instead of radio buttons for the > route style selector? It would look like so: > > http://wpsoftware.net/andrew/dump/toggle.png > > This gives more clickable area and a cleaner look, I think. > Dun

Re: gEDA-user: gedasymbols.org down?

2011-08-31 Thread Russell Dill
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Russell Dill wrote: > >> I imagine I'm not the only one running a git mirror of >> gedasymbols.org. If you rely on gedasymbols.org in any way, It'd be >> wise to do the same. > > Is there a way to

Re: gEDA-user: gedasymbols.org down?

2011-08-30 Thread Russell Dill
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Peter Clifton wrote: > >> Yes - I got a message from DJ saying it has knocked his power and >> internet down. (The server lives in DJ's basement). >> > Time for a mirror server on a different continent? > > I got used to rely on the presen

Re: gEDA-user: pcb HID GUI options: gtk, lesstif?

2011-08-24 Thread Russell Dill
> One of my "dream projects" is to do a GUI for pcb that uses two or > more monitors, with one monitor heavy on the toolbars and showing an > overview "thumber" window, and the other monitor being 100% layout. eh, one of the reasons I really like having two monitors is so I can have reference info

Re: gEDA-user: Nanometer conversion pushed to git head

2011-08-15 Thread Russell Dill
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Poelstra wrote: > > Exciting news everyone! > > I have just pushed the nanometer conversion patches to git HEAD. > > > Please test and let me know how things are working. I have > compiled all 56 commits (by script) to confirm that they can > compile so "git

Re: gEDA-user: Constraint-based PCB footprint design

2011-08-08 Thread Russell Dill
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Rob Spanton wrote: > Hey all, > > I've recently been playing around with designing footprints by > describing a set of constraints that position features relative to each > other.  This is rather than specifying the absolute co-ordinates of > every feature. > > I've

Re: gEDA-user: Anybody ever had a board assembled (pick and place)?

2011-07-27 Thread Russell Dill
d how big of a reel do you have to send > them? And you just cut tape the amount of parts you need to assemble > the amount of boards you want to manufacture? > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Russell Dill wrote: >> I'm planning on having some proto boards assembled

Re: gEDA-user: Anybody ever had a board assembled (pick and place)?

2011-07-27 Thread Russell Dill
I'm planning on having some proto boards assembled by Advanced Circuits (4pcb.com). And yes, I have to supply all the components, and no, they don't provide storage until you've actually put the order in (Many components are very moisture sensitive). On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:28 AM, yamazakir2 w

gEDA-user: Crash in pcb_vprintf when getting object report of unplated hole

2011-06-25 Thread Russell Dill
82721122dae63a96c89d273bba7abd8b3e6e8337 #0 0x755db386 in _IO_vfprintf_internal (s=, format=, ap=) at vfprintf.c:1620 #1 0x75691e38 in __vasprintf_chk (result_ptr=0x7fffc328, flags=1, format=0xf3b170 "%s", args=0x7fffc348) at vasprintf_chk.c:68 #2 0x7728

gEDA-user: PCB invalid free with latest git

2011-06-22 Thread Russell Dill
I was selecting a net when PCB crashed. 82721122dae63a96c89d273bba7abd8b3e6e8337 *** glibc detected *** /home/russ/src/pcb/_install/usr/bin/pcb: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x027f4d60 *** === Backtrace: = /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(+0x78a8f)[0x7f8d5f0a8a8f] /lib/x86

Re: gEDA-user: PCB DRC accuracy?

2011-06-21 Thread Russell Dill
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:06 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > We use cmils for gerber (0.01 mil).  PCB's DRC precision should be > 0.000254 mm Are you saying that 0.000254 mm should be added to your DRC rule if exporting to gerber? (ie, a 4mil DRC would become 4.01mil)

Re: gEDA-user: PCB DRC accuracy?

2011-06-21 Thread Russell Dill
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Andrew Poelstra wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 01:29:02PM -0700, Russell Dill wrote: >> >> I've always worried about this too, especially when doing a design in >> metric and sending it to an imperial board house. My guess is you need

Re: gEDA-user: PCB DRC accuracy?

2011-06-21 Thread Russell Dill
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Phil Taylor wrote: > On 6/21/2011 6:53 AM, Richard Rasker wrote: >> >> So I wonder what tolerance PCB's DRC has? I realize that 0.006 mm (6 >> micron) is a tiny distance, but it can make all the difference between >> an accepted and rejected board -- and thus dela

Re: gEDA-user: Jumpers on single layer PCBs

2011-05-31 Thread Russell Dill
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:59:04 +0100 > Thomas Oldbury wrote: > >> Oh. Thanks anyway. Any hack-ish way to add this in? (Because I'd like >> each jumper to have a refdes and BOM entry if possible.) > > What I'd do is define a copper layer. Draw

Re: gEDA-user: Two things ... or actually, three

2011-05-31 Thread Russell Dill
> To my knowledge this is not the case right now. Of course the pin numbers > should not be shown on the schematics: they would use up too much schematics > real estate and are not interesting anyway (even relatively simple and cheap > FPGA devices like XC3S700A has 88 power pins in the 256 pins BG

gEDA-user: Darter - SPICE based IBIS modelling tool

2011-05-30 Thread Russell Dill
As edge rates increase, signal intergrity (SI) becomes more and more important, even for the hobbyist. Unfortunately, the models provided by semiconductor vendors typically come in only 2 forms, encrypted HSPICE and IBIS. No open tools exist for handling either. An open HSPICE decryption utility wo

Re: gEDA-user: git: quick check for new commits

2011-05-30 Thread Russell Dill
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:15 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Is there a quick way to check to see if a local repo is out of date > relative to a remote repo?  I'd like to write a shell script that > rebuilds pcb but only if something's been committed to the master > repo.  Rather than check out the who

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Russell Dill
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Colin D Bennett wrote: > On Wed, 25 May 2011 23:03:06 +0200 > Gabriel Paubert wrote: > >> This said, most capacitors look to have a square profile, but >> resonance frequencies observed on microstrip line change between >> mounting the layers parallel or perpendic

Re: gEDA-user: IPC standard SMT footprints (0603, 0402 vs. RESC0603N etc.)

2011-05-25 Thread Russell Dill
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 07:11:49AM -0700, Colin D Bennett wrote: >> On Wed, 25 May 2011 06:41:26 -0700 >> Colin D Bennett wrote: >> >> > (1) Why is RESC0603L/N/M much smaller than '0603'? >> > (2) Why is there no similarly named set of RES

Re: gEDA-user: Reinventing the wheel

2011-05-19 Thread Russell Dill
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: > Kai-Martin Knaak writes: > >> Stephan Boettcher wrote: >> >>> The way to promote gedasymbols and to fix the default library is to >>> remove the default library, except for a small set of very generic >>> symbols. >> >> ack. >> This set

gEDA-user: IBIS to SPICE conversion work

2011-05-19 Thread Russell Dill
I'm currently working on simulating IBIS models in ngspice. Its a work in progress, but I have something that is at least somewhat usable at this point. I put my current work on gEDA symbols: http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/russell_dill/ I'll be doing more testing and refinement, and most importa

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: simple FreeType fonts implementation -- update?

2011-05-13 Thread Russell Dill
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > On Fri, 13 May 2011 12:14:45 -0400 > DJ Delorie wrote: > > > > > IIRC my primary objection to the patch-as-was was, "where do we store > > the TTF files?"  PCB has no way to store binary blobs with the board, > > and if you don't keep th

Re: gEDA-user: pcb+gl

2011-05-11 Thread Russell Dill
Did the clone succeed? Did you cd into the cloned repo? On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Thomas Oldbury <[1]toldb...@gmail.com> wrote: � I'm getting this problem when trying to run the last command: � thomas@thinkpadone:~/pcb2$ git checkout -b pcb+gl_experimental � ori

Re: gEDA-user: Adding inner polygons to a plane

2011-05-11 Thread Russell Dill
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Peter Clifton <[1]pc...@cam.ac.uk> wrote: On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 19:05 +0100, Thomas Oldbury wrote: > Sometimes, I want to add an inner polygon area to a plane in PCB. The > � � area might be a power supply which only has to cover a small area; e

Re: gEDA-user: Out and In symbols in gschem & getting net names to come out in PCB

2011-05-01 Thread Russell Dill
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Rob Butts wrote: >   I'm using out and in symbols in gschem to label nets in a schematic and >   tie nets together without traces running everywhere.  I set the net >   attribute of the corresponding out and in symbols in the schematic to >   the same value (clk for

Re: gEDA-user: OFF: capacitors for RF power amplifier

2011-04-13 Thread Russell Dill
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Andy Fierman wrote: > If you are going to model the PA - particularly to look at resonance > effects - then you should include reasonably accurate models for the > inductors and capacitors which include their major parasitic > components. > > The Murata Chip S-Para

Re: gEDA-user: Attribute Net (without pin assignment) - for Power and Port Symbols

2011-04-11 Thread Russell Dill
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:45 PM, John Doty wrote: > > On Apr 11, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: > >> I would advise a note of caution. In general, I don't like it when tools >> start special casing things like this.. it just feels wrong. > > I've long thought it a minor design flaw that in

Re: gEDA-user: Split ground planes and zero ohm jumpers

2011-04-08 Thread Russell Dill
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:18 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >>   # shorting trace >>   Pad [ -1.550mm  0.000mm    1.550mm 0.000mm   0.5mm 0.5mm 0.700mm "c" "c" >> "square" ] > > > Perhaps a new flag for pads that means "non-net copper" ?  Then > "square,nonnet" (for example) tells 'o' to ignore that copp

Re: gEDA-user: Split ground planes and zero ohm jumpers

2011-04-08 Thread Russell Dill
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:39 AM, rickman wrote: > On 4/7/2011 1:13 PM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: >> >> rickman  writes: >> >>> I have to say I am philosophically opposed to any feature that allows >>> a design to pass DRC when the layout differs from the schematic. >> >> Just to get the terminology

Re: gEDA-user: zview/ngscope

2011-04-07 Thread Russell Dill
2011/4/7 Rubén Gómez Antolí : > Hi: > > El 06/04/11 16:42, John Doty escribió: >> >> On Apr 6, 2011, at 8:26 AM, Dave McGuire wrote: >> >>> On 4/6/11 3:01 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: > > Specifically, the suite misses a way for fast turnaround of schematic > modification, simulation an

Re: gEDA-user: Split ground planes and zero ohm jumpers

2011-04-06 Thread Russell Dill
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Stephen Ecob wrote: >> What, if there was a way to flag a track as "don't look" for connectivity >> check? You'd attach the flag to the segment that bridges the domains. >> That way, the DRC check would still be sensitive to violations at other >> places. Such a DRC

Re: gEDA-user: Split ground planes and zero ohm jumpers

2011-04-06 Thread Russell Dill
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Kovacs Levente wrote: > >> I think the workaround in gEDA is still a good way to go. > > The bogus DRC error potentially masks  erroneous connections between > the planes elsewhere. > > What, if there was a way to flag a track as "don't loo

Re: gEDA-user: Split ground planes and zero ohm jumpers

2011-04-05 Thread Russell Dill
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Kovacs Levente wrote: > On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 23:30:21 -0700 > Russell Dill wrote: > >> The common way to track common ground planes seems to be to place a >> jumper between the planes so that the netlist can be sane. This >> requires a co

gEDA-user: Split ground planes and zero ohm jumpers

2011-04-04 Thread Russell Dill
The common way to track common ground planes seems to be to place a jumper between the planes so that the netlist can be sane. This requires a component to be placed on one of the outer layers of the board, which is a bit of an annoyance. Is there any other way of doing this? Maybe some kind of hac

Re: gEDA-user: New mass attribute tool: gattrib_csv

2011-04-01 Thread Russell Dill
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Joshua wrote: > Hey guys.  I wrote a tool which exports and imports the properties from a > project to and to a csv file.   The format is simular to that of the bom2 > format as it groups lines together which have similar data.  This way I > could use oocalc to mass

Re: gEDA-user: nice C++ (was Re: pcb plugin smartdisperse fails on load)

2011-02-25 Thread Russell Dill
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Cyril Hrubis wrote: > Hi! >> Tastes may vary, but some years ago when I went looking for a clean >> C++ matrix math class library, I was favorably impressed by newmat >>   http://www.robertnz.net/nm_intro.htm >> Operator overloading with a clear purpose! > > Thanks

Re: gEDA-user: Breaking up power planes

2011-02-25 Thread Russell Dill
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Stephan Boettcher wrote: > Russell Dill writes: > >> On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: >>> Russell Dill wrote: >>> >>>> I'm just wondering what everyones preferred method of breaking up &g

Re: gEDA-user: General Layers questions

2011-02-24 Thread Russell Dill
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Martin Kupec wrote: > Hi, > > I have written something to: http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_layers > > It is still a bit work in progess, but you can start editing it to fit your > ideas. I have tried to incorporate all ideas discussed. > >        Martin Kupec >

Re: gEDA-user: pcb plugin smartdisperse fails on load

2011-02-24 Thread Russell Dill
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 08:38 -0700, John Doty wrote: >> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: >> >> > Means C didn't find the function, and it assumes it returns integer in >> > that case. Dumb convention IMO. >> >> "C is quirky, f

gEDA-user: Metric, Imperial, Rounding, DRC, and board houses

2011-02-21 Thread Russell Dill
I'm starting a new design and all my components are metric based, including a few 1mm pitch BGA components. I'd really like to do the layout in metric, but I'm worried about two factors. The first of which is that PCB does not yet have the option to store things internally in metric (at least from

Re: gEDA-user: Breaking up power planes

2011-02-20 Thread Russell Dill
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Russell Dill wrote: > >> I'm just wondering what everyones preferred method of breaking up >> power/ground planes is. > > My preferred method is to break the planes as little as possible :-) > IMHO, a con

gEDA-user: Breaking up power planes

2011-02-18 Thread Russell Dill
I'm just wondering what everyones preferred method of breaking up power/ground planes is. Way back when I used to break them up by using the polygon editor which was really a pain. It seems like using a 0 width trace might work well, but it produces a zero width line on the gerber, bummer. __