Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread Darrell Harmon
DJ Delorie wrote: Advanced Circuits has a new special - three 4-layer boards for $66 each. 6/6, 15mil holes, up to 30 sq in, full mask/silk, 5 day lead. No panels, though. FYI this is the company whose tech guys helped us get PCB's gerber output correct. They're good folks. _

RE: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread Ostheller, Joel A.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:geda-user- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ Delorie > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:30 AM > To: geda-user@moria.seul.org > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com > > > > > And... "compa

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread DJ Delorie
> Why is this bad for your applications? Can you not just give them > DRC for the squares and have them covered with soldermask? It would be bad if they put them in the isolation gap between the high voltage side and the low voltage side. ___ geda-use

RE: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread Ostheller, Joel A.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:geda-user- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ Delorie > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:26 AM > To: geda-user@moria.seul.org > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com > > > > What is "copper th

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread DJ Delorie
> One bug/annoyance I can think of is when moving a footprint, with > rats-nest enabled, the rats-nest lines don't move smoothly with the > footprint. After you drop the part in the new location, you have to > zoom in or out to clean up the rats-nest. I don't see this on Linux, though. ___

RE: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread Ostheller, Joel A.
> Check the prices from Advanced Circuits, it isn't a little more the last > time I checked, it's a lot more, like 2-3 times the price of everyone else > in that space. The original quote for 5 pieces of a 4 layer board was > like > $550 from Advanced Circuits, I can get the same deal from pcbfabe

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread DJ Delorie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Just get a .com email address to go with the bus.name you use. Like, delorie.com? And I've been paying taxes through "delorie software" for years. It's not the "get a company name" that's the problem (I've got one), it's the companies that aren't geared towards indiv

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread Andy Peters
On Feb 13, 2007, at 8:37 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: Oh absolutely. It's just a matter of whether the capabilities, the open nature and the low, low price are enough to overcome the bugs and the, uh, quirks of the user interface. I'm not likely to use 53 layers and a 40 acre board, but I wou

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread john
Andy Peters wrote: And... "company name required" So make up a company name. I do business with a local county dba name as a sole prop. and have no trouble with importing from Taiwan, or getting chip co. samples... or work done by 4pcb.com. Just get a .com email address to go with the bus

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread DJ Delorie
> > And... "company name required" > > So make up a company name. My complaint was more philosophical than technical. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread Andy Peters
On Feb 13, 2007, at 12:10 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: And there's an intro offer at www.pcbnet.com for 4 layer 60 sq in, $50 with no minimum. But it is an intro offer... And... "company name required" So make up a company name. -a ___ geda-user mai

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread DJ Delorie
> What is "copper thieving"? They add small copper squares to otherwise bare areas to even out the electroplating. > Everyone who sends their boards to Taiwan or China will be closed the > next 2 weeks -- its Chinese New Year. This is my bad luck - this is the second board in a row that the pre

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread Matt Ettus
protoexpress auto-adds copper thieving, which would mess up my isolation gaps (I've emailed them asking about it). What is "copper thieving"? I wanted to go with pcbex, but they're closed for the next two weeks. Other vendors on my list are: pcbfabexpress (25 mil minimum SMT pitch) and pcbpoo

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread DJ Delorie
> Check the prices from Advanced Circuits, it isn't a little more It's $66 per board. $198 total for 3 boards minimum. Hence the subject line. Compared to $150-165 for 3-5 boards elsewhere, it's not that much more. If you want to compare apples to apples, compare AP's full prototyping service

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread Mike Hansen
EDA user mailing list To: geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:38:11 -0500 > Otherwise Advanced Circuits is way more expensive than just about > everyone else I've looked at. I'm willing to pay a little more for a better company, whe

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread DJ Delorie
> Otherwise Advanced Circuits is way more expensive than just about > everyone else I've looked at. I'm willing to pay a little more for a better company, when it's worth it. > Company name can exist for ~$150 in just about any state in the US. > Just file an LLC with the state and you are good

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread DJ Delorie
> Oh absolutely. It's just a matter of whether the capabilities, the open > nature and the low, low price are enough to overcome the bugs and the, > uh, quirks of the user interface. I'm not likely to use 53 layers and > a 40 acre board, but I would like the ratsnesting to work in a sane > fashi

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-13 Thread Mike Hansen
ailing list To: geda-user@moria.seul.org Subject: Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:10:53 -0500 > I've recently been shopping for 4 layer options. I haven't tried any > of them yet, but the ones that look promising are: > >http://www.protoexpress.co

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-12 Thread Ben Jackson
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 02:12:30AM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > In fact, the larger board and 4 layers are what have me looking into > > gaf/pcb. > > PCB supports boards up to 32"x32" for sure, and may support up to 1/4 > mile per side. I've tested it at 53 or so layers, it can handle as > man

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-12 Thread Mark Rages
On 2/13/07, Ben Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And there's an intro offer at www.pcbnet.com for 4 layer 60 sq in, $50 with no minimum. But it is an intro offer... If you're comparing intro offers: http://www.4pcb.com/500free.asp Regards, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You think that it is a

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-12 Thread DJ Delorie
> In fact, the larger board and 4 layers are what have me looking into > gaf/pcb. PCB supports boards up to 32"x32" for sure, and may support up to 1/4 mile per side. I've tested it at 53 or so layers, it can handle as many as you recompile it for but 16 is the default limit. _

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-12 Thread DJ Delorie
> I've recently been shopping for 4 layer options. I haven't tried any > of them yet, but the ones that look promising are: > > http://www.protoexpress.com/content/noTouch.jsp > > About the same as above, except 60 sq in and 4 day lead for $51/ea (3 min). protoexpress auto-adds copper th

Re: gEDA-user: www.66each.com

2007-02-12 Thread Ben Jackson
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 01:39:16AM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Advanced Circuits has a new special - three 4-layer boards for $66 > each. 6/6, 15mil holes, up to 30 sq in, full mask/silk, 5 day lead. > No panels, though. I've recently been shopping for 4 layer options. I haven't tried any of t