Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 May 2009, John Doty wrote: >On May 23, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> To me, a 6AU6 is a newer >> tube. 6SJ/K7's are middle aged, and the 4X's were popular for >> small signal & >> 2A3's for audio output's about the time I was born. And all are >> transconductance pikers

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-23 Thread John Doty
On May 23, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > To me, a 6AU6 is a newer > tube. 6SJ/K7's are middle aged, and the 4X's were popular for > small signal & > 2A3's for audio output's about the time I was born. And all are > transconductance pikers compared to a 7788. :) And my spell > che

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Friday 22 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >>> I'll second that. Did it in Spain but the track owner from whom I also >>> rented the go-kart didn't want me on there anymore after my power-slides >>> blew out the 2nd tire (including some smoke p

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 23 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Friday 22 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >>> John Doty wrote: On May 21, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Joerg wrote: > Chris Albertson wrote: > > [...] > >> I'm thinking about tube amps that had an output impedance of about 1M >>>

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-23 Thread Joerg
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 22 May 2009, Joerg wrote: > >> I'll second that. Did it in Spain but the track owner from whom I also >> rented the go-kart didn't want me on there anymore after my power-slides >> blew out the 2nd tire (including some smoke plumes). They must be rather >> expensive

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-23 Thread Joerg
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 22 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >> John Doty wrote: >>> On May 21, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Joerg wrote: Chris Albertson wrote: [...] > I'm thinking about tube amps that had an output impedance of about 1M > ohm that used transformers to drive 8 ohm sp

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-22 Thread Matthew Sager
I have not made it to Akihabara, but if you are around the Nagoya area you can try Osu it has the same kind of stuff. I always have to plan for a side trip and a little extra spending money. On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:49 PM, John Doty <[1]...@noqsi.com> wrote: On May 22, 2009, at

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 22 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >I'll second that. Did it in Spain but the track owner from whom I also >rented the go-kart didn't want me on there anymore after my power-slides >blew out the 2nd tire (including some smoke plumes). They must be rather >expensive. 40 years ago, those slicks we

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 22 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >John Doty wrote: >> On May 21, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Joerg wrote: >>> Chris Albertson wrote: >>> >>> [...] >>> I'm thinking about tube amps that had an output impedance of about 1M ohm that used transformers to drive 8 ohm speakers. About a 100,000 t

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-22 Thread John Doty
On May 22, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Joerg wrote: > >> In Japan, Tokyu Hands (a division of the Tokyu department store >> chain) sells tube amplifier kits. >> > > The dream of any electronics engineer, one whole day for an extended > stroll through Akihabara, Hai, shimashita. Been there, done that. But

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-22 Thread Joerg
John Doty wrote: > On May 22, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Joerg wrote: > >> As for tubes I found that HV-driver tubes for color TVs were the best >> deal. But this was decades ago, today you'd have to take a look at >> which >> current production tubes are available and at what cost. Sovtek, >> Svetlana

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-22 Thread John Doty
On May 22, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Joerg wrote: > As for tubes I found that HV-driver tubes for color TVs were the best > deal. But this was decades ago, today you'd have to take a look at > which > current production tubes are available and at what cost. Sovtek, > Svetlana and so on. Still lots of

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-22 Thread Joerg
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 21 May 2009, Joerg wrote: > [...] >> Wow, I've never been in a close call like that one. Only once in a small >> Dornier aircraft when the (otherwise totally quiet) bush pilot kind of >> guy let off a lot of cuss words, the stall horn was blaring, pine tree >> tops

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-22 Thread Joerg
Chris Albertson wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Joerg wrote: >> Chris Albertson wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> I'm thinking about tube amps that had an output impedance of about 1M >>> ohm that used transformers to drive 8 ohm speakers. About a 100,000 >>> to 1 ratio. >>> >> 1M? What kind of

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-22 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Joerg wrote: > Chris Albertson wrote: > > [...] > >> I'm thinking about tube amps that had an output impedance of about 1M >> ohm that used transformers to drive 8 ohm speakers.  About a 100,000 >> to 1 ratio. >> > > 1M? What kind of tube was that? I think the high

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-22 Thread Joerg
John Doty wrote: > On May 21, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Joerg wrote: > >> Chris Albertson wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> I'm thinking about tube amps that had an output impedance of about 1M >>> ohm that used transformers to drive 8 ohm speakers. About a 100,000 >>> to 1 ratio. >>> >> 1M? What kind of tube wa

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-22 Thread John Griessen
John Doty wrote: > And finally, the real issue here is the current required. 100 amps > will melt the wire in any audio transformer I've ever seen. > > Everybody seems to think Mark's soldering gun suggestion is a joke, > but I don't know. I think I'd get one, pull the transformer, measure

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 21 May 2009, Joerg wrote: [...] >Wow, I've never been in a close call like that one. Only once in a small >Dornier aircraft when the (otherwise totally quiet) bush pilot kind of >guy let off a lot of cuss words, the stall horn was blaring, pine tree >tops came at us and it was of course

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread al davis
On Thursday 21 May 2009, John Doty wrote: > Everybody seems to think Mark's soldering gun suggestion is a > joke, but I don't know. I think I'd get one, pull the > transformer, measure its characteristics, Maybe someone has a broken one laying around. I recall those plastic (Bakelite??) housin

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread John Doty
On May 21, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Joerg wrote: > Chris Albertson wrote: > > [...] > >> I'm thinking about tube amps that had an output impedance of about 1M >> ohm that used transformers to drive 8 ohm speakers. About a 100,000 >> to 1 ratio. >> > > 1M? What kind of tube was that? Well, that's a typ

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread Joerg
Chris Albertson wrote: [...] > I'm thinking about tube amps that had an output impedance of about 1M > ohm that used transformers to drive 8 ohm speakers. About a 100,000 > to 1 ratio. > 1M? What kind of tube was that? I think the highest I had was about 5K. At 5000 volts on the plates ... T

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Levente Kovacs wrote: > Ok, > > > I guess I wasn't clear, so I have to add that it won't be used to drive a > speaker, I used the word "audio" to refer the frequency range. 500W audio > amplifier that designed to drive 4-8 Ohms is easy. But 100A, is something you >

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread der Mouse
>> [...] I'm having trouble seeing the error. > [...various people...] Ah, yes, if you compute the number of pounds you have and then think - or inadvertently tell your aircraft - that number is how many kilograms you have...yes, I can see the problem now. It's not clear from the article whether

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread Joerg
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 21 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >> der Mouse wrote: Or it produces nailbiters like this one: http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html >>> It's a very interesting story, to be sure, but I'm having trouble >>> seeing the error. It says >>> >>> [...] each ti

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 21 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >der Mouse wrote: >>> Or it produces nailbiters like this one: >>> >>> http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html >> >> It's a very interesting story, to be sure, but I'm having trouble >> seeing the error. It says >> >> [...] each time using 1.77 pounds/liter

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread Joerg
der Mouse wrote: >> Or it produces nailbiters like this one: > >> http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html > > It's a very interesting story, to be sure, but I'm having trouble > seeing the error. It says > > [...] each time using 1.77 pounds/liter as the specific gravity > factor. [..

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread DJ Delorie
> It's a very interesting story, to be sure, but I'm having trouble > seeing the error. The error was in using 1.77 kg/liter. Keep track of your units! ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/g

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread der Mouse
> Or it produces nailbiters like this one: > http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html It's a very interesting story, to be sure, but I'm having trouble seeing the error. It says [...] each time using 1.77 pounds/liter as the specific gravity factor. [...] The factor the refuelers

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 21 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: [...] >>> But I can't really bleed off freon. Plus AFAIK they don't sell that >>> stuff to ordinary folk anymore unless you have a contractor's license. I >>> mean, I could get one, but that would go a bit far ;-) >> >> Its no better on thi

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 21 May 2009, DJ Delorie wrote: >> I'd kill 2 birds then, and grab a lawn chair and a beer, and sit >> beside it while its running long enough to run out of beer. :) > >Or just ask Pat to listen for it. She sits out there a lot - the A/C >is next to the screen porch. > Chuckle, passing

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread Joerg
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >> Gene Heskett wrote: >>> On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Joerg wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >> DJ Delorie wrote: >>> Levente Kovacs writes: 230V times 100A is something I dont

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread Joerg
John Doty wrote: > On May 20, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Joerg wrote: > >> John Doty wrote: >>> On May 20, 2009, at 2:36 PM, der Mouse wrote: >>> >> A ton of cooling is 12 Kbtu, about the heat of crystallization of >> one ton of water, per hour. >>> Why do engineers use so many whacky units? >>

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-21 Thread DJ Delorie
> I'd kill 2 birds then, and grab a lawn chair and a beer, and sit > beside it while its running long enough to run out of beer. :) Or just ask Pat to listen for it. She sits out there a lot - the A/C is next to the screen porch. ___ geda-user mailin

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 20 May 2009, DJ Delorie wrote: >> It is _your_ AC, right? > >Well yeah, but I don't want to fiddle with it *that* much. Besides, I >don't know that they don't already do what you've suggested. IIRC the >fan and compressor turn on separately, they might turn off separately >too. I've

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread DJ Delorie
> It is _your_ AC, right? Well yeah, but I don't want to fiddle with it *that* much. Besides, I don't know that they don't already do what you've suggested. IIRC the fan and compressor turn on separately, they might turn off separately too. I've never paid that much attention to them. __

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 20 May 2009, DJ Delorie wrote: >> Then put a time delay to off of at least 3 to 5 minutes into the >> condensor fan circuit only, > >I don't have that kind of control over it. I have one low-voltage >control loop to tell it on/off, and that's it. It is _your_ AC, right? You have eve

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >>> Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Joerg wrote: > DJ Delorie wrote: >> Levente Kovacs writes: >>> 230V times 100A is something I dont want to even calculate. >>

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread John Doty
On May 20, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Joerg wrote: > John Doty wrote: >> On May 20, 2009, at 2:36 PM, der Mouse wrote: >> > A ton of cooling is 12 Kbtu, about the heat of crystallization of > one ton of water, per hour. >> Why do engineers use so many whacky units? > [...], tradition and c

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread DJ Delorie
> Then put a time delay to off of at least 3 to 5 minutes into the > condensor fan circuit only, I don't have that kind of control over it. I have one low-voltage control loop to tell it on/off, and that's it. > By the same token, if the evaporator fan in the furnace is being > stopped at the s

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Joerg
John Doty wrote: > On May 20, 2009, at 2:36 PM, der Mouse wrote: > A ton of cooling is 12 Kbtu, about the heat of crystallization of one ton of water, per hour. > Why do engineers use so many whacky units? [...], tradition and convenience. >>> Good excuses for the masses. Not s

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Joerg
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >> Gene Heskett wrote: >>> On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Joerg wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: > Levente Kovacs writes: >> 230V times 100A is something I dont want to even calculate. > It's 23000 :-) > > My air conditioner

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 20 May 2009, der Mouse wrote: >>> A ton of cooling is 12 Kbtu, about the heat of crystallization of >>> one ton of water, per hour. >>> Why do engineers use so many whacky units? >>> >>> [...], tradition and convenience. >> >> Good excuses for the masses. Not so good for engineer

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Levente Kovacs wrote: >We want to avoid transformers. The older version of this equippment had the >good old Quad-405 power amplifiers, and transformers at the end. It is so >heave, that one man can hardly lift the unit. > >Btw... the same unit must also provide a voltage

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 20 May 2009, DJ Delorie wrote: >> Not even a 40 horse compressor in a 22 ton (rated, yeah sure) Lennox >> will draw that much for that long. > >Gee, you guys are making me feel bad. Now I have to go out and >research air conditioners :-P > >Anyway, I know I have a 60 amp circuit for i

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: >> But if your computer and network gear uses anywhere close to half of >> your grand total I think that stuff needs some "greenification" >> attention. Even if it was 1/4 that's huge. > > Agreed, but keep in mind I work from home, so this is all high power > equipment that get

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread DJ Delorie
> But if your computer and network gear uses anywhere close to half of > your grand total I think that stuff needs some "greenification" > attention. Even if it was 1/4 that's huge. Agreed, but keep in mind I work from home, so this is all high power equipment that gets used all day. Not a lot

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >>> DJ Delorie wrote: Levente Kovacs writes: > 230V times 100A is something I dont want to even calculate. It's 23000 :-) My air conditioner draws 123 amps at 240 volt

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Gene Heskett
--Original Message- >> From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org >> [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett >> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:12 PM >> To: gEDA user mailing list >> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier >

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread John Doty
On May 20, 2009, at 2:36 PM, der Mouse wrote: >>> A ton of cooling is 12 Kbtu, about the heat of crystallization of >>> one ton of water, per hour. Why do engineers use so many whacky units? >>> [...], tradition and convenience. >> Good excuses for the masses. Not so good for engineering, w

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Joerg
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >> DJ Delorie wrote: >>> Levente Kovacs writes: 230V times 100A is something I dont want to even calculate. >>> It's 23000 :-) >>> >>> My air conditioner draws 123 amps at 240 volts for the first few >>> seconds. That's almost 30kW

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: > DJ Delorie writes: >> I think it's a 60 ton. > > Or it's a 60 kbtu, I don't recall - it's got "60" in the model number. > Ok, that sounds more reasonable. I thought you guys lived in a structure similar to Hearst Castle. But if your computer and network gear uses anywhere

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Joerg
Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Wed, 20 May 2009 09:26:07 -0700 > Joerg > wrote: > >> I'd wear eye protection :-) >> >> I can already picture it, on day a connection comes loose, we all >> hear a muffled *BOOM* and see an orange glow over Budapest ... > > Well... I will do it in Budakalász. :-) But y

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread David C. Kerber
ul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Gene Heskett > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:12 PM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier > ... > Is this data obtained from a Kill-a-watt? D

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi Levente, On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 22:02 +0200, Levente Kovacs wrote: > > We want to avoid transformers. The older version of this equippment had the > good old Quad-405 power amplifiers, and transformers at the end. It is so > heave, that one man can hardly lift the unit. > > Btw... the same uni

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread DJ Delorie
> You might as well ask why motor power is measured in horsepower - > that's another historical unit that's cryptic and baffling to the > uninitiated, but is perfectly good to those in the industry. Bad example, though - motor horsepower is not a regulated measurement like amps is, so marketing f

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread der Mouse
>> A ton of cooling is 12 Kbtu, about the heat of crystallization of >> one ton of water, per hour. >>> Why do engineers use so many whacky units? >> [...], tradition and convenience. > Good excuses for the masses. Not so good for engineering, which > depends on precise communication. Which measu

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread DJ Delorie
> Is this data obtained from a Kill-a-watt? No, from the prototype powermeter board. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 20 May 2009, DJ Delorie wrote: >> Seconds and not fractions or a second? Yikes! Unless it's a 10-15 >> ton unit that doesn't sound normal. > >I think it's a 60 ton. It draws 30 amps once it's running. Yeah, >seconds, not fractions. They had to upgrade the transformer on the >pole to

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Levente Kovacs
We want to avoid transformers. The older version of this equippment had the good old Quad-405 power amplifiers, and transformers at the end. It is so heave, that one man can hardly lift the unit. Btw... the same unit must also provide a voltage output up to 300V, but only 100Watts. For that, we'

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread John Doty
On May 20, 2009, at 1:31 PM, der Mouse wrote: > ~5 tons, enough for a 3000 sq ft house. And neither makes dimensional sense ;-) >>> 1 ton refers to the equivalent cooling power as melting 1 ton of >>> ice - >> Still not dimensionally right. Need time in the denominator. > > Yes - "per

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread der Mouse
~5 tons, enough for a 3000 sq ft house. >>> And neither makes dimensional sense ;-) >> 1 ton refers to the equivalent cooling power as melting 1 ton of ice - > Still not dimensionally right. Need time in the denominator. Yes - "per hour". A ton of cooling is 12 Kbtu, about the heat of cryst

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread DJ Delorie
> Not even a 40 horse compressor in a 22 ton (rated, yeah sure) Lennox > will draw that much for that long. Gee, you guys are making me feel bad. Now I have to go out and research air conditioners :-P Anyway, I know I have a 60 amp circuit for it, and it hits 123 amps long enough for my DVM to

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread John Doty
On May 20, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Ethan Swint wrote: > > I think it's a 60 ton. Or it's a 60 kbtu, I don't recall - it's got "60" in the model number >>> 60 tons would be almost enough for a big-box store! 60kbtu sounds >>> more >>> like it, ~5 tons, enough for a 3000 sq ft house. >>> >

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Ethan Swint
I think it's a 60 ton. >>> Or it's a 60 kbtu, I don't recall - it's got "60" in the model >>> number >> 60 tons would be almost enough for a big-box store! 60kbtu sounds >> more >> like it, ~5 tons, enough for a 3000 sq ft house. >> > > And neither makes dimensional sense ;-) > 1

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Joerg wrote: >DJ Delorie wrote: >> Levente Kovacs writes: >>> 230V times 100A is something I dont want to even calculate. >> >> It's 23000 :-) >> >> My air conditioner draws 123 amps at 240 volts for the first few >> seconds. That's almost 30kW. > >Seconds and not fracti

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Mark Cianfaglione
True... But I think they use tons once you reach about 1 ton of cooling. (12000BTU/Hr) Mark > Most window air-conditioners I see in stores are rated in BTU's. > > D > ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.s

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread David C. Kerber
> -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Mark > Cianfaglione > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:12 PM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Mark Cianfaglione
DJ Knowing that you live in the North-East I'd say it's a 6.0 ton unit. A 60 Kbtu unit (btus are normally only for heating) would be too small and a 60 ton would imply that you are running Antartic winter simulations in your house in the summer... ;-) Mark geda-user-boun...@mo

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread John Doty
On May 20, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Ethan Swint wrote: > > DJ Delorie wrote: >> DJ Delorie writes: >> >>> I think it's a 60 ton. >>> >> >> Or it's a 60 kbtu, I don't recall - it's got "60" in the model >> number. >> > 60 tons would be almost enough for a big-box store! 60kbtu sounds > more > like

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Wed, 20 May 2009 09:26:07 -0700 Joerg wrote: > I'd wear eye protection :-) > > I can already picture it, on day a connection comes loose, we all > hear a muffled *BOOM* and see an orange glow over Budapest ... Well... I will do it in Budakalász. :-) But yes, I know it is a crazy toy! :-) --

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread DJ Delorie
> 60 tons would be almost enough for a big-box store! 60kbtu sounds > more like it, ~5 tons, enough for a 3000 sq ft house. It's 4000 sq ft. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Ethan Swint
DJ Delorie wrote: > DJ Delorie writes: > >> I think it's a 60 ton. >> > > Or it's a 60 kbtu, I don't recall - it's got "60" in the model number. > 60 tons would be almost enough for a big-box store! 60kbtu sounds more like it, ~5 tons, enough for a 3000 sq ft house. -Ethan ___

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread DJ Delorie
DJ Delorie writes: > I think it's a 60 ton. Or it's a 60 kbtu, I don't recall - it's got "60" in the model number. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread DJ Delorie
> Seconds and not fractions or a second? Yikes! Unless it's a 10-15 > ton unit that doesn't sound normal. I think it's a 60 ton. It draws 30 amps once it's running. Yeah, seconds, not fractions. They had to upgrade the transformer on the pole to supply enough juice. > Did you find some of the

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Joerg
DJ Delorie wrote: > Levente Kovacs writes: >> 230V times 100A is something I dont want to even calculate. > > It's 23000 :-) > > My air conditioner draws 123 amps at 240 volts for the first few > seconds. That's almost 30kW. > Seconds and not fractions or a second? Yikes! Unless it's a 10-15

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Dave McGuire
On May 20, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Mark Rages wrote: > You need a high-current, low-voltage transformer: > > http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brands/CF_Files/model_detail.cfm? > upc=037103079480 ROFL!! -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user m

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread John Griessen
John Doty wrote: > On May 20, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Levente Kovacs wrote: > >> we want to test a current sensor with mains' frequency. However >> there are >> transient once in a while on the line, so we must simulate them too. > > Why not just use the mains, then? Step down volts to get current,

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread John Doty
On May 20, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Levente Kovacs wrote: > we want to test a current sensor with mains' frequency. However > there are > transient once in a while on the line, so we must simulate them too. Why not just use the mains, then? Step down volts to get current, make your transients by sw

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:27 -0500, Mark Rages wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Levente Kovacs > wrote: > > On Wed, 20 May 2009 10:48:53 -0500 > > Mark Rages wrote: > > > >> What kind of transient are you trying to simulate? Maybe it would be > >> easier to make a circuit to add the tr

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Mark Rages
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Wed, 20 May 2009 10:48:53 -0500 > Mark Rages wrote: > >> What kind of transient are you trying to simulate?  Maybe it would be >> easier to make a circuit to add the transient to mains power, instead >> of recreating mains power with an

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread DJ Delorie
Levente Kovacs writes: > 230V times 100A is something I dont want to even calculate. It's 23000 :-) My air conditioner draws 123 amps at 240 volts for the first few seconds. That's almost 30kW. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org ht

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Joerg
Levente Kovacs wrote: > On Wed, 20 May 2009 11:45:55 -0400 (EDT) > der Mouse > wrote: > >> What _is_ this driving? Ten feet of #3 copper? > > A current sensor. > I'd wear eye protection :-) I can already picture it, on day a connection comes loose, we all hear a muffled *BOOM* and see an or

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 20 May 2009, Steve Underwood wrote: >Levente wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> I have to design an audio amplifier that can deliver 100Amps. It should >> work around 50Hz, and the maximum output power shall be 500W. I am >> currently reading articles about this topic, but it is very hard to find

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Wed, 20 May 2009 10:48:53 -0500 Mark Rages wrote: > What kind of transient are you trying to simulate? Maybe it would be > easier to make a circuit to add the transient to mains power, instead > of recreating mains power with an amplifier. 230V times 100A is something I dont want to even cal

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Wed, 20 May 2009 11:45:55 -0400 (EDT) der Mouse wrote: > What _is_ this driving? Ten feet of #3 copper? A current sensor. -- Levente Kovacs http://logonex.eu ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailm

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Joerg
Levente Kovacs wrote: > Ok, > > > I guess I wasn't clear, so I have to add that it won't be used to drive a > speaker, I used the word "audio" to refer the frequency range. 500W audio > amplifier that designed to drive 4-8 Ohms is easy. But 100A, is something you > won't get in a pro audio store.

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread der Mouse
> I guess I wasn't clear, so I have to add that it won't be used to > drive a speaker, I used the word "audio" to refer the frequency > range. 500W audio amplifier that designed to drive 4-8 Ohms is easy. > But 100A, is something you won't get in a pro audio store. 100A 500W...5V...that's .05 ohm

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Mark Rages
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Levente Kovacs <[1]leventel...@gmail.com> wrote: On Wed, 20 May 2009 10:33:30 -0500 Mark Rages <[2]markra...@gmail.com> wrote: > 100 amps and 500 watts implies a load impedance of 0.05 ohms. Some > professional audio amplifiers may handle this,

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Levente Kovacs
On Wed, 20 May 2009 10:33:30 -0500 Mark Rages wrote: > 100 amps and 500 watts implies a load impedance of 0.05 ohms. Some > professional audio amplifiers may handle this, but I think most will > go into self-protect mode. > > Best bet might be a car amp: > http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_11

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Levente Kovacs
Ok, I guess I wasn't clear, so I have to add that it won't be used to drive a speaker, I used the word "audio" to refer the frequency range. 500W audio amplifier that designed to drive 4-8 Ohms is easy. But 100A, is something you won't get in a pro audio store. The coldamp design provides 25Amps.

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Mark Rages
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Steve Underwood <[1]ste...@coppice.org> wrote: Levente wrote: > Hi, > > > I have to design an audio amplifier that can deliver 100Amps. It should > work around 50Hz, and the maximum output power shall be 500W. I am > currently readin

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Dave McGuire
On May 20, 2009, at 11:17 AM, John Griessen wrote: >>I believe this is commonly referred to as a "Class D" amplifier. >> It is basically a switching regulator with a loop response time that >> is fast enough to handle audio frequencies. > > Sure. and he says to operate "around 50 Hz", which I

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Steve Underwood
Levente wrote: > Hi, > > > I have to design an audio amplifier that can deliver 100Amps. It should > work around 50Hz, and the maximum output power shall be 500W. I am > currently reading articles about this topic, but it is very hard to find > things like this. If someone has some experience wi

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread John Griessen
Dave McGuire wrote: >I believe this is commonly referred to as a "Class D" amplifier. > It is basically a switching regulator with a loop response time that > is fast enough to handle audio frequencies. Sure. and he says to operate "around 50 Hz", which I take as 35 to 65 Hz...fog hor

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Dave McGuire
On May 20, 2009, at 10:33 AM, der Mouse wrote: >>> I have to design an audio amplifier that can deliver 100Amps. >>> [...50Hz...500W...] >> [...sketch...] >> This is the highest efficiency type of driver since [its] driving >> transistors are never in active region -- always full on or off. >> High

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread der Mouse
>> I have to design an audio amplifier that can deliver 100Amps. >> [...50Hz...500W...] > [...sketch...] > This is the highest efficiency type of driver since [its] driving > transistors are never in active region -- always full on or off. > High efficiency is what you need to put out 500W. It occ

Re: gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread John Griessen
Levente wrote: > Hi, > > > I have to design an audio amplifier that can deliver 100Amps. It should > work around 50Hz, and the maximum output power shall be 500W. I am > currently reading articles about this topic, but it is very hard to find > things like this. If someone has some experience

gEDA-user: [OFF] high current amplifier

2009-05-20 Thread Levente
Hi, I have to design an audio amplifier that can deliver 100Amps. It should work around 50Hz, and the maximum output power shall be 500W. I am currently reading articles about this topic, but it is very hard to find things like this. If someone has some experience with, or some documentation