Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread DJ Delorie
> Hmm. The fact that you have a "smartjack" demark at all (do you?) No. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Michael Sokolov
DJ Delorie wrote: > Actually, four wires all the way out the driveway. I know it's not > the two-wire variety because the last time they had to fix it, they > commented on the fact that I hadn't been "upgraded" to the two-wire > one. I have two lightning protectors in the demarc box, not one.

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Michael Sokolov
Dave McGuire wrote: > My last two DSL circuits had no voice capability. Ahh, the difference between ADSL and SDSL. One of my pet peeves is people saying "DSL" to mean ADSL... Time to plug my Open SDSL Connectivity Project: http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/OpenSDSL/ Hey, I drew it in gschem origina

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread David C. Kerber
> -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:44 PM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: >

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:59 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > I have a friend who lives 0.5 miles from the CO. Unfortunately, if > you *drive* to the CO it's 4 miles or so. The wires go under a river, > it seems! He got DSL once by finding someone who knew the wiring > layout and was willing to TDR the lines

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread DJ Delorie
I have a friend who lives 0.5 miles from the CO. Unfortunately, if you *drive* to the CO it's 4 miles or so. The wires go under a river, it seems! He got DSL once by finding someone who knew the wiring layout and was willing to TDR the lines to prove it to management, but "something happened" a

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread der Mouse
> [...], while me, having grown up (at least chronologically!) in the > 1970s, "broadband" is a more relaxed way of saying "multiple > information channels via frequency-division multiplexing on multiple > independent carriers". And, doesn't DSL fit that? At the physical layer, at least - the mul

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:47 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: >>Wow, that's pretty unusual! > > Yup, but then again, I *can't* get regular DSL service here. I had exactly that problem when I lived in Cape Coral, FL...wound up having to get a T-1 at close to $400/mo. Fortunately I was able to defray th

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread DJ Delorie
>Wow, that's pretty unusual! Yup, but then again, I *can't* get regular DSL service here. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Dave McGuire
ssage- >> From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org >> [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of DJ Delorie >> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:29 PM >> To: geda-user@moria.seul.org >> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: >>

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:35 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: >>On your side of the smartjack, I'm sure you do. > > Actually, four wires all the way out the driveway. I know it's not > the two-wire variety because the last time they had to fix it, they > commented on the fact that I hadn't been "upgraded" to

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread David C. Kerber
2009 1:29 PM > To: geda-user@moria.seul.org > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: > Open GL survey (for PCB)] > > > > And for the past 10-15 years or so, the "last mile" of most T1 data > > circuits have been delivered via a form of

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:02 PM, der Mouse wrote: >>> They are? DSL certainly isn't (the baseband there is the audio >>> range, which DSL specifically avoids) and, >> My definition of "broadband" is "multiple communication channels >> sharing bandwidth on the same medium", which does not, IMO, describe

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Daniel Svärd
The one from which my remarks were derived came from googling and reading three or four pages which gave definitions, such as [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseband and [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband. It is that baseband uses the frequency range whose lo

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread DJ Delorie
>On your side of the smartjack, I'm sure you do. Actually, four wires all the way out the driveway. I know it's not the two-wire variety because the last time they had to fix it, they commented on the fact that I hadn't been "upgraded" to the two-wire one. I have two lightning protectors in

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:28 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: >> And for the past 10-15 years or so, the "last mile" of most T1 data >> circuits have been delivered via a form of DSL, and they typically >> have no voice support either. > > Not mine. I got all four wires :-) On your side of the smartjack, I'm

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread der Mouse
>> They are? DSL certainly isn't (the baseband there is the audio >> range, which DSL specifically avoids) and, > My definition of "broadband" is "multiple communication channels > sharing bandwidth on the same medium", which does not, IMO, describe > DSL. What is yours? The one from which my re

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread DJ Delorie
> And for the past 10-15 years or so, the "last mile" of most T1 data > circuits have been delivered via a form of DSL, and they typically > have no voice support either. Not mine. I got all four wires :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.s

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:14 PM, David C. Kerber wrote: And if I had a nickel for every time I've heard people, even knowledgeable people, incorrectly use the term "broadband" to mean "high-speed Internet connection" (when most such >> connections are, in fact, baseband).. >>> >>> Th

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread David C. Kerber
> -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:57 PM > To: gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: >

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On Feb 6, 2009, at 12:36 PM, der Mouse wrote: >> And if I had a nickel for every time I've heard people, even >> knowledgeable people, incorrectly use the term "broadband" to mean >> "high-speed Internet connection" (when most such connections are, in >> fact, baseband).. > > They are? DSL certain

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread der Mouse
> And if I had a nickel for every time I've heard people, even > knowledgeable people, incorrectly use the term "broadband" to mean > "high-speed Internet connection" (when most such connections are, in > fact, baseband).. They are? DSL certainly isn't (the baseband there is the audio range, whic

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Dave McGuire
On Feb 6, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: > I'm not so convinced applying the terminology "anti-aliasing" is > correct > for jaggies on object edges. Its certainly not what I'd call > aliasing on > a digital oscillocope.. that matches the texture-sampling case. The > edges are more a qu

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-06 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 11:48 +0100, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > > I've not switched on anti-aliasing. I think it is important the geometry > > has hard edges, and anti-aliasing will just increase memory > > requirements / reduce rendering speed. (IIRC, it just renders bigger > > than required, then fil

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-02 Thread DJ Delorie
> Actually my question is why was it changed at all? My PCB manufacturers > had absolutely no problems with the stacked positive/negative mixture > of layers in the photoplotter files. Yours didn't, others did. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@mor

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-02 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 09:58 +0100, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 03:57:52AM +, Peter Clifton wrote: [snip] > > If you fancy playing with some other experimental polygon stuff though > > (again, not yet backwards compatible), try the "master" branch which > > does full real-

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-02-02 Thread Gabriel Paubert
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 03:57:52AM +, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 23:53 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > > > > > Give the works so far a try: > > > > > > > > http://repo.or.cz/w/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git > > > > > > > > git clone git://repo.or.cz/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git > > > > git checkou

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-01-28 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 23:53 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > > > Give the works so far a try: > > > > > > http://repo.or.cz/w/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git > > > > > > git clone git://repo.or.cz/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git > > > git checkout before_pours origin/before_pours > > > > git checkout -b before_pours origin

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-01-28 Thread Mark
On Wednesday 28 January 2009 09:27:28 pm Peter Clifton wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 19:59 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: > > Should I expect a speed improvement with GLX or just cool stuff like > > layer transparency? I suspect that's a feature that won't take much use > > before I say "how did I li

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-01-28 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 19:59 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: > without looking at the code, is it feasible without major pain to have > GL be a runtime selection? I was thinking I'd split out the HID vtable callbacks into GTK / GL versions, and #ifdef the HID setup. Since the HID vtable can (I think)

Re: gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-01-28 Thread Dan McMahill
Peter Clifton wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 22:13 +, Peter Clifton wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 01:11 +, Peter Clifton wrote: >>> Give the works so far a try: >>> >>> http://repo.or.cz/w/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git >>> >>> git clone git://repo.or.cz/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git >>> git checkout before_pou

gEDA-user: Building the PCB+GL branch [WAS: Re: Open GL survey (for PCB)]

2009-01-28 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 22:13 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 01:11 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > > Give the works so far a try: > > > > http://repo.or.cz/w/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git > > > > git clone git://repo.or.cz/geda-pcb/pcjc2.git > > git checkout before_pours origin/before_pours