Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-19 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:17:00 -0400, Bob Paddock wrote: > At some point you bump up against fixed over head handling > costs and in some CM it might cost you $15 for an assembly with no parts > at all. The company I send our boards for asssembly gives detailed quotes with costs split in "first-t

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-19 Thread Bob Paddock
On Thursday 17 July 2008 11:32:16 pm Steve Meier wrote: > This process as written below should be captured into the geda wiki. Maybe I should clean it up and send it to Circuit Cellar? > I do think the cost of the components is a hudge cost driver for a pcb > assembly! Of course the price of th

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-19 Thread Peter Clifton
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 09:47 -0700, Steve Meier wrote: > Peter, > > Is there a compromise possible. Can you generate an xy text file using > R, C and U and a bom without having to change your schematic and > silkscreen? They wanted the silkscreen to match I think. I found an internal "compromise"

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-17 Thread Steve Meier
This process as written below should be captured into the geda wiki. I do think the cost of the components is a hudge cost driver for a pcb assembly! However, the shop I primarily use for complex hierarchical boards with bga's of over 1000 pins has no problem with the hierarchical refdes. They ca

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-17 Thread Bob Paddock
> They won't get my business again, as this crap is costing me a great > deal of time - I wrote the message below for a different list last year, when someone wanted to know why getting a board built by a CM cost so much more than the parts cost when bought from DigiKey. It will give you lots to

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-17 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 12:49 -0700, Steve Meier wrote: > I have found they need a little education and then seem fine with it. > > There is no shortage of assembly shops and so they tend to be willing to > work with their customers. These guys have told me to... re-number the schematic list to sh

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-17 Thread Steve Meier
This might be one of the advantages for living in silicon valley. Competition probably drives the non-capable out. Bob Paddock wrote: > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Steve Meier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Also, if you layed out a section and then duplicated it to make exact >> copies t

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-17 Thread Bob Paddock
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Steve Meier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, if you layed out a section and then duplicated it to make exact > copies their task should be easier not harder. I've been on the other end of this at a CM. Make sure your designators are unique through out a board or

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-16 Thread Steve Meier
Also, if you layed out a section and then duplicated it to make exact copies their task should be easier not harder. Program the pick and place for that section duplicate the program with the correct translation. Steve Meier On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 17:53 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: > Hi guys, >

Re: gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-16 Thread Steve Meier
I have found they need a little education and then seem fine with it. There is no shortage of assembly shops and so they tend to be willing to work with their customers. Steve Meier On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 17:53 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm having a board made at the moment whi

gEDA-user: Hierarchial refdes vs. board assembler

2008-07-16 Thread Peter Clifton
Hi guys, I'm having a board made at the moment which uses hierarchy in its refdes.. X3/U2, X2/R12 etc.. The assembly house who are building this didn't seem to appreciate the "X2/" part of the refdes, apparently it is causing them problems programming their pick and place machine. They suggested