On Sep 7, 2007, at 8:06 PM, al davis wrote:
> On Thursday 06 September 2007, Larry Doolittle wrote:
>> PCB can't do the automated parasitic extraction and signal
>> integrity simulations that high end software suites can.
>
> Actually, a first cut, without crosstalk, is fairly easy to do.
> First,
On Thursday 06 September 2007, Larry Doolittle wrote:
> PCB can't do the automated parasitic extraction and signal
> integrity simulations that high end software suites can.
Actually, a first cut, without crosstalk, is fairly easy to do.
First, we need a translator, to translate from the PCB for
PCB is very capable of building high frequency boards. For example Matt
Ettus (http://www.ettus.com) has developed a product which he describes
as "The Universal Software Radio Peripheral, or USRP, is device which
allows you to create a software radio using any computer with a USB 2
port. Various p
On Sep 5, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Samuel A. Falvo II wrote:
> I'm talking about people who offer complaints about inconsistencies
> between the UI of gschem versus PCB (something that I've since gotten
> used to, after a VERY long period of acclimation). Invariably we hear
> the usual rhetoric of peopl
Andy -
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 05:00:46PM -0400, Andy Fong wrote:
> But you guys have been telling me for a 10 layer board with high speed
> digital signals, gEDA (or rather PCB)
> is not ready yet.
Who said that?
> I want to believe the other way. What are missing if I
> don't need the fancy vi
Andy Fong wrote:
> But you guys have been telling me for a 10 layer board with high speed
> digital signals, gEDA (or rather PCB)
> is not ready yet. I want to believe the other way.
It will only get better, you get open access to have your design
updated later, and with all the GUI features bei
On 9/6/07, John Griessen wrote:
> I think writing tutorials well is one good way. Another is stories
> about successful uses, put up on the gEDA website just like product
> offerers do.
I tend to agree with John here.
Perhaps a Curriculum Vitae like for each application which highlights
its big f
> Maybe gEDA CAN be a product. Short of the developers attending lots
> of public meetings in suits, that is... :-)
I don't even own a suit. I don't even think I own any long sleeve
shirts.
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I think for gEDA to be adopted as a commercial product, someone must setup a
company to charge
people thousands of dollar for a yearly support contract so they can call
anytime and talk to someone
quick in order to get things resolved.
But you guys have been telling me for a 10 layer board with hi
Duncan Drennan wrote:
> Real or not, I would reckon that there is a perceived risk in adopting
> gEDA, even though in a lot of ways the risk is reduced (future
> support, openness, etc.) The more gEDA success stories there are at a
> *commercial* level, the lower the perceived risk will be. In wha
I thought this snippet from of one of Paul Graham's essays
(http://www.paulgraham.com/colleges.html) might be relevant to this
discussion,
=
There used to be a saying in the corporate world: "No one ever got
fired for buying IBM." You no longer hear this about IBM specifically,
but the idea i
On 9/6/07, al davis wrote:
> > > It's not deliberate that we are "left out". We need to
> > > choose to go.
> >
> > And pay for booth space if we want a presence.
>
> Not necessarily. I didn't say "booth". There are other ways.
I might provide some space at any fedora booth worldwide for people
> It's not deliberate that we are "left out". We need to choose to
> go.
And pay for booth space if we want a presence.
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On Thursday 06 September 2007, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote:
> Most of the time, opensource EDA are left out during big
> linux events.
and also left out of big EDA events.
It's not deliberate that we are "left out". We need to choose
to go.
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On 9/6/07, andrewm wrote:
> I am probably in a good position to push others
> in the direction of using gEDA but I am not
> sure how many people would take the push and
> not give up.
Well, I've started some work on providing gEDA on a livecd.
I've a development release on torrent :
http://fedorap
andrewm wrote:
> > DJ Delorie wrote:
> > But first and foremost, everyone needs to realize
> > that most of the developers are in it for their own
> > personal benefit.
>
> DJ, so a slowly growing base is more preferable to a
> rapidly growing user base and I should not try
> encourage people
Well, in my daytime job we are using a tool which was written for Solaris, but
also runs under windows. We have just migrated from Solaris to windows, but
many of us still using Solaris. So what I want to say is that in a
professional environment you *must* learn everything, that includes the
en
There are a number of issues which need to be addresses around this,
but lets look at this one: barrier to entry.
On the cost front, the barrier to entry is very low - every one can afford gEDA.
Then you have a couple of other issues, which, to me, are all lumped
together in a new users mind, lik
> On 9/5/07, DJ Delorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Judging by how touchy everyone here gets as soon as you mention
>> > _any_ criticisms against the current user interfaces of the tools,
>>
>> Huh?
>
> Don't make me go back into the archives. ;D
>
> I'm talking about people who offer complain
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, DJ Delorie wrote:
>
>> I have only one pending feature request which keeps me back from
>> finishing my scripting plugin for PCB :)
>
>Which one is that?
gadgets or wizard or whatever dialogs (you had an idea for the proper
name). They would be dynamic like the output dialogs,
> I have only one pending feature request which keeps me back from
> finishing my scripting plugin for PCB :)
Which one is that?
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, DJ Delorie wrote:
>
>> DJ, so a slowly growing base is more preferable to a rapidly growing
>> user base and I should not try encourage people to give gEDA a try
>> on a wholesale level ?
>
>It depends. For example, getting a school, classroom, or other
>organization to try it
DJ Delorie wrote:
> It depends. For example, getting a school, classroom, or other
> organization to try it as a group is different than getting the same
> number of people to try it individually. As a group, they can work
> together to solve many of their individual problems and share
> solutio
> DJ, so a slowly growing base is more preferable to a rapidly growing
> user base and I should not try encourage people to give gEDA a try
> on a wholesale level ?
It depends. For example, getting a school, classroom, or other
organization to try it as a group is different than getting the same
> DJ Delorie wrote:
>
> IMHO a slowly growing user base gives us (1) more
> insight into the average user, (2) more reason to
> worry about usability issues, and (3) hopefully a
> steadily growing developer base also.
>
> But first and foremost, everyone needs to realize
> that most of th
On 9/5/07, Samuel A. Falvo II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> used to, after a VERY long period of acclimation). Invariably we hear
> the usual rhetoric of people not reading manuals anymore, and that
> powerful software is never easy to learn, etc.
Don't let people in Cognitive Engineering hear you
On Wednesday 05 September 2007, Samuel A. Falvo II wrote:
> Judging by how touchy everyone here gets as soon as you
> mention _any_ criticisms against the current user interfaces
> of the tools, expect a LOT of users to get fed up with a LOT
> of newbies.
That's what you get in a public forum. Th
I realize that there are complaints. It was the "how touchy everyone
gets" part I was "huh?"ing. I don't recall being touchy, and if you
think a simple explanation of why things are the way they are is
"touchy" then you need thicker skin.
IMHO a slowly growing user base gives us (1) more insigh
On 9/5/07, DJ Delorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Judging by how touchy everyone here gets as soon as you mention
> > _any_ criticisms against the current user interfaces of the tools,
>
> Huh?
Don't make me go back into the archives. ;D
I'm talking about people who offer complaints about inc
> Judging by how touchy everyone here gets as soon as you mention
> _any_ criticisms against the current user interfaces of the tools,
Huh?
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On 9/5/07, andrewm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> keep newcomers happy. Are the experienced
> users going to get fed up with answering
> questions from new users?
Judging by how touchy everyone here gets as soon as you mention _any_
criticisms against the current user interfaces of the tools, expec
>> Duncan Drennan wrote:
>>
>> I think John Luciani has pretty much
>> demonstrated that this is possible with a
>> bit of work. All that now needs to happen is
>> for people to start adopting gEDA - but that
>> is a whole different story, which requires
>> strong marketing.
>>
> John Griessen
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