On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 10:47:25PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
>
> > *laughs. Ever heard of WYSIWYG ?
>
> *laughs. Ever draw a 1758 ball BGA by hand, one mouse click at a time?
At work (well before my time) they once had a really hard to diagnose
motherboard problem that turned out to be caused b
> *laughs. Ever heard of WYSIWYG ?
*laughs. Ever draw a 1758 ball BGA by hand, one mouse click at a time?
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On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 15:58 -0400, John Luciani wrote:
> > On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 15:38 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > > It would be really nice if someone built me a great tool with which t
armdeveloper wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 15:58 -0400, John Luciani wrote:
>> On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 15:38 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
>>> clean up those footprints ! hint, hint.
>> EMACS and Perl ;-)
>>
>>(* jcl *)
>
> *laughs. Ever heard
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 15:58 -0400, John Luciani wrote:
> On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 15:38 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > > > Maybe I should shut up and contribute ?
> > > It wouldn't hurt ;-)
> > Let me route a few more boards so that I'm not a total
On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 15:38 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > > Maybe I should shut up and contribute ?
> > It wouldn't hurt ;-)
> Let me route a few more boards so that I'm not a total noob. I like
> open source efforts. I don't mind helping.
>
>
> It would be really nice if someone built me a great tool with which to
> clean up those footprints ! hint, hint.
For just pin number fixes, nothing beats a text editor.
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On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 15:38 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > Maybe I should shut up and contribute ?
> It wouldn't hurt ;-)
Let me route a few more boards so that I'm not a total noob. I like
open source efforts. I don't mind helping.
It would be really nice if someone built me a great tool with whi
> But the whole footprint thing needs some refining as far as I am
> concerned.
Yup. All the symbol/footprint libraries need a good scrubbing so
they'll be (1) complete as far as generic symbols go, (2) devoid of
oddball symbols nobody uses, and (3) consistent.
> Maybe I should shut up and cont
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 14:49 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> You're right, that one remaining rat is easily routable by hand, I
> don't know why the autorouter wouldn't have routed it.
I'm happy I posted my files then. Use them as a test case. I was
surprised at how well the autorouter worked on every
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 15:06 -0400, John Luciani wrote:
> On 7/27/07, John Luciani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 14:10 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> I noticed that the trace from C1-2 hits Q2-1. Did you route
> with enfor
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 14:51 -0400, John Luciani wrote:
> On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 14:10 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> I noticed that the netlist has C2-N and C2-P and the
> PCB footprint for C2 has pins "1" and "2".
Yes, I hand routed those. I t
> I noticed that the trace from C1-2 hits Q2-1. Did you route
> with enforce DRC off?
I fixed this before autorouting.
> Try deleting that trace and correcting the C1 and C2 pin labels.
This shouldn't affect it, although I learned that the 'n' key to name
pins doesn't change the name that the n
On 7/27/07, John Luciani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 14:10 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > > > > .pcb file ?
> > > >
> > > > You want me to post it ?
> > >
> > > We can't debug it if we can't reproduce it.
> >
> > Here is t
On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 14:10 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > > > .pcb file ?
> > >
> > > You want me to post it ?
> >
> > We can't debug it if we can't reproduce it.
>
> Here is the pcb file... the layout is all messed up at the moment, but
> you'll
You're right, that one remaining rat is easily routable by hand, I
don't know why the autorouter wouldn't have routed it.
But then again, I have some boards that the autorouter can't route ANY
rat on.
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On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 14:10 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > > .pcb file ?
> >
> > You want me to post it ?
>
> We can't debug it if we can't reproduce it.
Here is the pcb file... the layout is all messed up at the moment, but
you'll see what I mean.
PCB["" 60 50]
Grid[3937.007813 0 0 1]
C
On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 13:34 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > > The first I can understand because it would take 2 vias to make it
> > > work. Its not trivial.
> > >
> > > The second I don't understand. It looks trival and yet the line
> > > stays
> > .pcb file ?
>
> You want me to post it ?
We can't debug it if we can't reproduce it.
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Also, you can "pcb foo.fp" and it does the right thing.
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On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 13:35 -0400, John Luciani wrote:
> > On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I had to hand route that because the footprint pin
> > > identifiers didn't match the symbol.
> >
> > Hand routing is a very bad
> Is anyone working on a footprint viewer/editor ?
You can do that right in pcb. I create most of my footprints in pcb,
just use lines and vias to set it up, copy, convert, save to file.
Once you've done it once, you can restart pcb and it shows up in the
library dialog. Then I bring up emacs
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 13:34 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > The first I can understand because it would take 2 vias to make it
> > work. Its not trivial.
> >
> > The second I don't understand. It looks trival and yet the line
> > stays as a rat instead of routing. Any ideas ? Nothing appears in
>
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 13:35 -0400, John Luciani wrote:
> On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I had to hand route that because the footprint pin
> > identifiers didn't match the symbol.
>
> Hand routing is a very bad idea. You should create a set of symbols and
> footprints that
On 7/27/07, armdeveloper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had to hand route that because the footprint pin
> identifiers didn't match the symbol.
Hand routing is a very bad idea. You should create a set of symbols and
footprints that match so that your schematic and PCB are always in sync.
You coul
> The first I can understand because it would take 2 vias to make it
> work. Its not trivial.
>
> The second I don't understand. It looks trival and yet the line
> stays as a rat instead of routing. Any ideas ? Nothing appears in
> the pcb.log window.
.pcb file ?
> I've also got a warning m
I've got a two rats that don't auto route.
The first I can understand because it would take 2 vias to make it work.
Its not trivial.
The second I don't understand. It looks trival and yet the line stays
as a rat instead of routing. Any ideas ? Nothing appears in the
pcb.log window.
I've also
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