Re: gEDA-user: Spice Transmission Line Simulation Question

2006-08-08 Thread Dan McMahill
John Doty wrote: On Aug 7, 2006, at 4:39 PM, Dan McMahill wrote: al davis wrote: On Monday 07 August 2006 10:01, Dan McMahill wrote: the manual I looked at said that you specify L/C in H/m and F/m for the ltra model. You seem to have specified it in terms of per foot. So this is one prob

Re: gEDA-user: Spice Transmission Line Simulation Question

2006-08-07 Thread John Doty
On Aug 7, 2006, at 4:39 PM, Dan McMahill wrote: al davis wrote: On Monday 07 August 2006 10:01, Dan McMahill wrote: the manual I looked at said that you specify L/C in H/m and F/m for the ltra model. You seem to have specified it in terms of per foot. So this is one problem. That doesn't ma

Re: gEDA-user: Spice Transmission Line Simulation Question

2006-08-07 Thread User Tomdean
The spice3f5 help panel on lossy transmission lines states: 3.3.3. Lossy Transmission Line Model (LTRA) The uniform RLC/RC/LC/RG transmission line model (re- ferred to as the LTRA model henceforth) models a uniform constant-parameter distributed transmission line. The RC and

Re: gEDA-user: Spice Transmission Line Simulation Question

2006-08-07 Thread Dan McMahill
al davis wrote: On Monday 07 August 2006 10:01, Dan McMahill wrote: the manual I looked at said that you specify L/C in H/m and F/m for the ltra model. You seem to have specified it in terms of per foot. So this is one problem. That doesn't matter if you are consistent. What matters is t

Re: gEDA-user: Spice Transmission Line Simulation Question

2006-08-07 Thread John Doty
On Aug 7, 2006, at 2:16 PM, User Tomdean wrote: .model rg_8u LTRA (len=3.2808399 l=.065uh c=24.8pf r=2.3)) 2.3 ohms/foot? Nope... The losses do not agree with the mfg datasheet. A problem with the LTRA model here is that it doesn't account for skin depth. The ohmic loss should be freque

Re: gEDA-user: Spice Transmission Line Simulation Question

2006-08-07 Thread User Tomdean
Thanks for the replies. I have not looked into this type analysis for some 20 years. I still have my Terman reference! The value/unit is specified in the Spice 3f5 help pages. I used the value/foot specifications for Belden 9914 Coax and specified the length in feet. I added the center conduct

Re: gEDA-user: Spice Transmission Line Simulation Question

2006-08-07 Thread al davis
On Monday 07 August 2006 10:01, Dan McMahill wrote: > the manual I looked at said that you specify L/C in H/m and > F/m for the ltra model.  You seem to have specified it in > terms of per foot.  So this is one problem. That doesn't matter if you are consistent. What matters is total L, total C,

Re: gEDA-user: Spice Transmission Line Simulation Question

2006-08-07 Thread Dan McMahill
User Tomdean wrote: I am using Spice 3f5, attempting to model a coax line. I am a nubie at this. The lossless example uses two lines to model one coax. Do I need to do this with the ltra model? It does not seem to make a difference. I get funny results. I use ac dec 100 1 1000meg plot db

Re: gEDA-user: Spice Transmission Line Simulation Question

2006-08-07 Thread Wojciech Kazubski
> I am using Spice 3f5, attempting to model a coax line. I am a nubie > at this. The lossless example uses two lines to model one coax. Do I > need to do this with the ltra model? It does not seem to make a > difference. > > I get funny results. I use > > ac dec 100 1 1000meg > plot db(v(4)/v(

Re: gEDA-user: Spice Transmission Line Simulation Question

2006-08-06 Thread User Tomdean
I suspected I did not need two lines to model a normal coax at reasonable frequencies. Thank you. Why are my results very different than I see in practice? Is there a better model? tomdean ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://w

Re: gEDA-user: Spice Transmission Line Simulation Question

2006-08-06 Thread al davis
On Monday 07 August 2006 00:00, User Tomdean wrote: > I am using Spice 3f5, attempting to model a coax line.  I am > a nubie at this.  The lossless example uses two lines to > model one coax.  Do I need to do this with the ltra model? >  It does not seem to make a difference. It has nothing to do

gEDA-user: Spice Transmission Line Simulation Question

2006-08-06 Thread User Tomdean
I am using Spice 3f5, attempting to model a coax line. I am a nubie at this. The lossless example uses two lines to model one coax. Do I need to do this with the ltra model? It does not seem to make a difference. I get funny results. I use ac dec 100 1 1000meg plot db(v(4)/v(2)) I see what