Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-19 Thread John Griessen
Dan McMahill wrote: Anthony Blake wrote: I would have liked to use the name 'greenstone', which has special meaning for NZ.. it is a type of jade only found here. Unfortunately my uni supervisor has already used that name for a project: http://www.greenstone.org/ Maybe we could call it the g

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-19 Thread Dan McMahill
Anthony Blake wrote: John Griessen wrote: kai-martin knaak wrote: Anthony Blake wrote: greenlight <--- I'd strongly suggest to invent a new word rather than take an existing buzzword. The term "greenlight" currently yields 1.5 Mio google hits. A greenlight router wou

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-19 Thread Anthony Blake
John Griessen wrote: kai-martin knaak wrote: Anthony Blake wrote: greenlight <--- I'd strongly suggest to invent a new word rather than take an existing buzzword. The term "greenlight" currently yields 1.5 Mio google hits. A greenlight router would be almost as invisi

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-19 Thread Jim
John Griessen wrote: Anthony Blake wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: Also, can anyone think of a new name for the toporouter? There is already a commercial tool called the 'toporouter', which I don't want us to be confused with. untangler runtangler ( route u

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-18 Thread John Griessen
kai-martin knaak wrote: Anthony Blake wrote: greenlight <--- I'd strongly suggest to invent a new word rather than take an existing buzzword. The term "greenlight" currently yields 1.5 Mio google hits. A greenlight router would be almost as invisible to internet search

Re: gEDA-user: toporouter update

2010-03-18 Thread John Griessen
Anthony Blake wrote: most of my work last year was an answer to some scathing criticism from Harry.. I *had* to do something after that =) So, all we have to do is read the code, scratch our heads and find critiques to make and you'll be compelled to improve it? I may have to stay up late rea

Re: gEDA-user: toporouter update

2010-03-18 Thread John Griessen
Harry Eaton wrote: Can you guys keep this on the geda-dev list in future.. it is always fun to see how things are progressing. Certainly, if Anthony and I discuss anything now that GSoc is not to be. That's too bad about the Google money. JG

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-18 Thread Anthony Blake
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:33 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote: > Anthony Blake wrote: > >> The toporouter will already route a selection of nets if some nets are >> selected when the toporouter is invoked. > > Nice! Also, it will only route on the currently visible layers. -- Anthony Blake

Re: gEDA-user: toporouter update

2010-03-18 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:15 PM, Anthony Blake wrote: > Thanks for the offer =) On the one hand, I really want to finish the > toporouter, and its hard while I'm studying full time.. so taking a > funded break for a few weeks to work on the toporouter seems like a > great option. On the other hand, the

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-18 Thread kai-martin knaak
Anthony Blake wrote: > The toporouter will already route a selection of nets if some nets are > selected when the toporouter is invoked. Nice! ---<(kaimartin)>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x6C0B9F53

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-18 Thread Anthony Blake
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:27 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote: > So let's concentrate to the most blocking of all issues: > If I got it right, these are the inability to deal with preexisting tracks > and the missing way to confine the router to selected nets. If these issues > were solved, even the rou

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-18 Thread kai-martin knaak
Anthony Blake wrote: >>> greenlight <-- Despite being the least >>> "router-ish" >>of these names, I really like >>this one. > > Hmm.. me too.. I'd strongly suggest to invent a new w

Re: gEDA-user: toporouter update

2010-03-18 Thread Anthony Blake
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: > >> I'm not going to stop working on the toporouter (greenlight?) just >> because Google didn't fund us. If people keep hassling me, I'll probably >> find the time for small commits here and there.. e.g., most of my work >> last year was an

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter Update

2010-03-18 Thread Anthony Blake
Harry Eaton wrote: I'm not going to stop working on the toporouter (greenlight?) just because Google didn't fund us. If people keep hassling me, I'll probably find the time for small commits here and there.. e.g., most of my work last year was an answer to some scath

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter Update

2010-03-18 Thread Harry Eaton
I'm not going to stop working on the toporouter (greenlight?) just because Google didn't fund us. If people keep hassling me, I'll probably find the time for small commits here and there.. e.g., most of my work last year was an answer to some scathing criticism from Ha

Re: gEDA-user: toporouter update

2010-03-18 Thread Windell H. Oskay
> I'm not going to stop working on the toporouter (greenlight?) just > because Google didn't fund us. If people keep hassling me, I'll probably > find the time for small commits here and there.. e.g., most of my work > last year was an answer to some scathing criticism from Harry.. I *had* > to do

Re: gEDA-user: toporouter update

2010-03-18 Thread Geoff Swan
+1 *hassle* (i really like toporouter :) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: toporouter update

2010-03-18 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 18, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Anthony Blake wrote: >> Can you guys keep this on the geda-dev list in future.. it is always >> fun >> to see how things are progressing. >> Certainly, if Anthony and I discuss anything now that GSoc is not to >> be. > > I'm not going to stop working on

Re: gEDA-user: toporouter update

2010-03-18 Thread Anthony Blake
Harry Eaton wrote: Can you guys keep this on the geda-dev list in future.. it is always fun to see how things are progressing. Certainly, if Anthony and I discuss anything now that GSoc is not to be. I'm not going to stop working on the toporouter (greenlight?) just becau

Re: gEDA-user: toporouter update

2010-03-18 Thread Harry Eaton
Can you guys keep this on the geda-dev list in future.. it is always fun to see how things are progressing. Certainly, if Anthony and I discuss anything now that GSoc is not to be. Previously, I couldn't subscribe or send to the geda-dev list (or user for that matter). T

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-18 Thread Anthony Blake
Peter Clifton wrote: On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 11:14 -0500, John Griessen wrote: Anthony Blake wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: Also, can anyone think of a new name for the toporouter? There is already a commercial tool called the 'toporouter', which I don't want u

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-18 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 11:14 -0500, John Griessen wrote: > Anthony Blake wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Windell H. Oskay > > wrote: > >>> Also, can anyone think of a new name for the toporouter? There is > >>> already a commercial tool called the 'toporouter', which I don't want > >>

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-18 Thread John Griessen
Anthony Blake wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: Also, can anyone think of a new name for the toporouter? There is already a commercial tool called the 'toporouter', which I don't want us to be confused with. untangler runtangler ( route untangler) grouter

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-18 Thread Peter Clifton
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 17:09 +1300, Anthony Blake wrote: > > Who's going to "mentor" you for GSOC purposes? > > Since Harry Eaton has never been shy with lots of really good criticism > and comments regarding the toporouter (off list), I asked if he would be > interested a few weeks ago.. Can y

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-18 Thread David C. Kerber
> -Original Message- > From: geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org > [mailto:geda-user-boun...@moria.seul.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Blake > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:14 PM > To: wind...@oskay.net; gEDA user mailing list > Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-17 Thread Anthony Blake
John Griessen wrote: I guess the last thing the CAD companies want is a straight comparison. We might be able to setup a system where people can anonymously post results generated with commercial tools, sort of like how deepchip.com works. Who's going to "mentor" you for GSOC purposes? S

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-17 Thread John Griessen
Anthony Blake wrote: btw, those toporouter guys are rather misleading with their results.. they show off pictures of boards which have been fixed up afterwards.. e.g., "20 mins of toporouter time, and 40 mins of hand editing" for one of their boards. That kind of partial route performance still

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-17 Thread Anthony Blake
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: > >>> Haha nice..  "I used to route boards by hand, but then I became >>> awesome instead. True story." >> >>    tea -> keyboard > > I suggest it because (1) it's awesome and (2) it's suggestive of > 'autorouter." > > >  Back on topic now, w

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-17 Thread Windell H. Oskay
>> Haha nice.. "I used to route boards by hand, but then I became >> awesome instead. True story." > >tea -> keyboard I suggest it because (1) it's awesome and (2) it's suggestive of 'autorouter." Back on topic now, we might get some good hints for future features from Toporouter (the co

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-17 Thread Ethan Swint
On 03/17/2010 08:24 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote: Anthony Blake wrote: btw, if there are other little projects or features you would like to add.. design rules that depend on the net, ... +1, for my work. -Ethan ___ geda-user mailing list

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-17 Thread Anthony Blake
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:24 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote: > Anthony Blake wrote: > >> btw, if there are other little projects or features you would like to >> add.. > > Last time I checked, there were some real show-stoppers. E.g, the topo > router would choke on preexisting tracks. I'd rather see

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-17 Thread kai-martin knaak
Anthony Blake wrote: > btw, if there are other little projects or features you would like to > add.. Last time I checked, there were some real show-stoppers. E.g, the topo router would choke on preexisting tracks. I'd rather see these major issues resolved than divert energy toward added featur

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-17 Thread Dave McGuire
On Mar 17, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Anthony Blake wrote: Also, can anyone think of a new name for the toporouter? There is already a commercial tool called the 'toporouter', which I don't want us to be confused with. How about Awesomerouter? :D Haha nice.. "I used to route boards by hand, but

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-17 Thread Anthony Blake
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Windell H. Oskay wrote: >> Also, can anyone think of a new name for the toporouter? There is >> already a commercial tool called the 'toporouter', which I don't want >> us to be confused with. > > > How about Awesomerouter?  :D Haha nice.. "I used to route board

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-17 Thread Windell H. Oskay
> Also, can anyone think of a new name for the toporouter? There is > already a commercial tool called the 'toporouter', which I don't want > us to be confused with. How about Awesomerouter? :D ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org htt

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-17 Thread Anthony Blake
Hi, On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:10:29 -0500, Ethan Swint wrote: > >> On 02/23/2010 06:46 PM, Anthony Blake wrote: Ok, then. Can you compile a list of tasks that need to be accomplished before the topo router is ready for general use?

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-03-16 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:10:29 -0500, Ethan Swint wrote: > On 02/23/2010 06:46 PM, Anthony Blake wrote: >>> Ok, then. Can you compile a list of tasks that need to be accomplished >>> before the topo router is ready for general use? The smaler the >>> individual tasks, the more likely they can be tac

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-02-23 Thread Ethan Swint
On 02/23/2010 06:46 PM, Anthony Blake wrote: Ok, then. Can you compile a list of tasks that need to be accomplished before the topo router is ready for general use? The smaler the individual tasks, the more likely they can be tackled by low time hackers like me... For sure. It would require som

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-02-23 Thread Anthony Blake
Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:16:45 +1300, Anthony Blake wrote: I don't get a lot of time atm.. please jump in =) Ok, then. Can you compile a list of tasks that need to be accomplished before the topo router is ready for general use? The smaler the individual tasks, the mor

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-02-23 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:16:45 +1300, Anthony Blake wrote: > I don't get a lot of time atm.. please jump in =) Ok, then. Can you compile a list of tasks that need to be accomplished before the topo router is ready for general use? The smaler the individual tasks, the more likely they can be tackl

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-02-22 Thread Anthony Blake
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Larry Battraw wrote: >   On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Anthony Blake <[1]tony...@gmail.com> >   wrote: > >   Ethan Swint wrote: > >     The last update on the toporouter looks like it was last June.  Any >     news since then, or is it waiting for me to jump in

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-02-22 Thread Larry Battraw
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Anthony Blake <[1]tony...@gmail.com> wrote: Ethan Swint wrote: The last update on the toporouter looks like it was last June. Any news since then, or is it waiting for me to jump in to the code? ;) It looks fantastic. I don't get a

Re: gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-02-22 Thread Anthony Blake
Ethan Swint wrote: The last update on the toporouter looks like it was last June. Any news since then, or is it waiting for me to jump in to the code? ;) It looks fantastic. I don't get a lot of time atm.. please jump in =) FWIW - I think a better metric of router performance (instead of to

gEDA-user: Toporouter update?

2010-02-22 Thread Ethan Swint
Hi- The last update on the toporouter looks like it was last June. Any news since then, or is it waiting for me to jump in to the code? ;) It looks fantastic. FWIW - I think a better metric of router performance (instead of total track length as used on the web page http://www.wand.net.nz