On Sunday 25 February 2007 16:08, Peter Clifton wrote:
> I'll chat to my colleges here who use PSpice for all their
> simulations, and find out what it is (if anything) which
> keeps them using it rather than anything else.
1. Inertia
2. The books push it.
3. The professors push it.
4. Publishers i
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 05:49, Peter Baxendale wrote:
> Maybe if they see how good open source software
> can be it might open their minds to other possibilities.
Exactly.
They need to see the weaknesses in free/open-source as personal
opportunities, and the weaknesses in commercial software
Sorry to start yet another Windows/Other OS war - it wasn't my
intention. And don't take me for a Windows advocate. I agree with most
of the points made by various people here. I've been arguing strongly
here for diversity in operating systems, both for educational and
security reasons, for some ti
On Mar 7, 2007, at 3:17 AM, David Fang wrote:
There is hope in opening the eyes of windows users, you just have
to win
them over gradually with little demonstrations. Demonstrate to your
audience solving simple problems in UNIX one at a time. Emphasize
using
the right tools for the right j
> > I would go even farther on this ...Even if stuck with
> > windoze .. sometimes you still need to work with text files.
> > The unix hack digs in and solves the problem. The windows user
> > says "I can't" and they call in someone else to solve the
> > problem.
>
>I've explained this
Going back to the original question.
I think geda and pcb and the simulation tools offer an opportunity to
physics, electrical, computer, and software engineering students, in
that by having the code, they can study and develop the simulation
algorithms. It is all well and good to be able to run a
On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:34 PM, al davis wrote:
I would go even farther on this ...Even if stuck with
windoze .. sometimes you still need to work with text files.
The unix hack digs in and solves the problem. The windows user
says "I can't" and they call in someone else to solve the
problem.
On 3/7/07, Dave N6NZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
al davis wrote:
>
> As a teacher, try to emphasize this, even in the tests. The
> highest grades go to those who can dig in and solve strange
> problems.
Absolutely. As a hiring manager, I'm only interested in people who can
tackle difficult
, and then sort the best one
out of those ...
Kind regards,
Bert Timmerman.
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al davis wrote:
Regardless of preference, at some time everyone will be
confronted with something else. Whether you like it or not, it
is important to be able to cope with it.
Gee... in the old days, that was simply assumed. Let's see...
My career as measured by operating systems on whic
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 22:45, Marc Moreau wrote:
> *cough* vim *ahem*
>
> Sorry.. Couldn't resist.
>
> /me dawns the flame suit
Regardless of preference, at some time everyone will be
confronted with something else. Whether you like it or not, it
is important to be able to cope with it.
I h
> > the second photo having little
> > snippets of shell scripts, awk scripts, a perl script or two and an
> > emacs window.
>
> *cough* vim *ahem*
In real life, you have several of each :-P
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On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:04:43 -0500
Dan McMahill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> the second photo having little
> snippets of shell scripts, awk scripts, a perl script or two and an
> emacs window.
*cough* vim *ahem*
Sorry.. Couldn't resist.
/me dawns the flame suit
-Marc
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al davis wrote:
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 18:52, Peter Baxendale wrote:
I think if you use Linux machines for teaching there's no
reason at all not to use gEDA. Unfortunately, here all our
teaching machines currently run Windows only, so we use a
rather old Windows distribution which is not enti
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 18:52, Peter Baxendale wrote:
> I think if you use Linux machines for teaching there's no
> reason at all not to use gEDA. Unfortunately, here all our
> teaching machines currently run Windows only, so we use a
> rather old Windows distribution which is not entirely
> satis
Peter Baxendale wrote:
> majority of students who only use Windows). When I get the time I want
to find better solutions. Native Windows versions of gschem and pcb with
an installer would be attractive to the students, but it doesn't seem
easy to build these out of the box. I'd like to encourage
> And i do a question, is gEDA an proper software to use during the
> formation academical process? I think yes that, this can be used for
> that.
>
> What do you think about?
A bit late to reply to this, but ...
We used gEDA in our Engineering course here at Durham University (UK)
School of En
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Ales Hvezda wrote:
>[snip]
>> We need a plugin list at the gEDA home page -- which will change sometime
>> before
>> summer...and maybe get some updating.
>>
>
>The physical server might change, but "home page ... will change sometime
>before summer ...", nothing definite ha
[snip]
> We need a plugin list at the gEDA home page -- which will change sometime
> before
> summer...and maybe get some updating.
>
The physical server might change, but "home page ... will change sometime
before summer ...", nothing definite has been decided.
I've been seriously toying with
Ben Jackson wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:47:00PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
Have you looked at pcb2panel and panel2pcb ?
I'll throw that in as another wart -- there are lots of tools that are
important to the geda toolsuite that are scattered to the four winds.
[jg]pcb2panel is at gedasymbo
> I'll throw that in as another wart -- there are lots of tools that
> are important to the geda toolsuite that are scattered to the four
> winds.
We created gedasymbols.org to collect user-generated add-ons (mostly
part symbols and footprints) from the community, with the expectation
that the po
Ben Jackson wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:47:00PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
Have you looked at pcb2panel and panel2pcb ?
I'll throw that in as another wart -- there are lots of tools that are
important to the geda toolsuite that are scattered to the four winds.
Even my own recent work on
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 16:54 -0800, Ben Jackson wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:47:00PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
> >
> > Have you looked at pcb2panel and panel2pcb ?
>
> I'll throw that in as another wart -- there are lots of tools that are
> important to the geda toolsuite that are scattered
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:47:00PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
>
> Have you looked at pcb2panel and panel2pcb ?
I'll throw that in as another wart -- there are lots of tools that are
important to the geda toolsuite that are scattered to the four winds.
Even my own recent work on PCB plugins will pro
> and immediately recovered the time I would have spent making those
> symbols in a GUI in Eagle.
And next time, you don't have to write the tool :-)
> I was bitten by the PS HID's mirror options, but at least the output
> is in human-readable PostScript which I can easily hack to tile the
> boa
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 17:06 -0500, al davis wrote:
> On Sunday 25 February 2007 16:44, Ben Jackson wrote:
> > I think gEDA has some big warts compared to the
> > commercial offerings
>
> I think gEDA has some small ones that look big.
> They prevent people from seeing where gEDA is superior.
> FI
On Sunday 25 February 2007 16:44, Ben Jackson wrote:
> I think gEDA has some big warts compared to the
> commercial offerings
I think gEDA has some small ones that look big.
They prevent people from seeing where gEDA is superior.
FIxing them will result in amazing return.
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On Sunday 25 February 2007 16:28, Dan McMahill wrote:
> It is sad that most are not comfortable with command line tools. I'd
> list awk and perl near the top of my "must have" tools for work. I
> can't imagine getting the job done without a decent computing
> environment (i.e. if I were forced
On Feb 25, 2007, at 4:28 PM, Dan McMahill wrote:
Sadly, most students are not comfortable with Unix and command
lines. If
providing a more familiar GUI approach to using the tools is
possible,
and doesn't detract from the core flexibility which benefits gEDA,
I'm
all for it. It will help us
I think gEDA has some big warts compared to the commercial offerings.
For me, the big difference is that you can work around those problems
if you're technically savvy. I've only used gshem+pcb to make a few
boards, and I've already spent a lot of time working on tools to assist
me. A symbol gene
Sadly, most students are not comfortable with Unix and command lines. If
providing a more familiar GUI approach to using the tools is possible,
and doesn't detract from the core flexibility which benefits gEDA, I'm
all for it. It will help us compete with commercial tools - which (IMHO)
are not
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 13:10 -0500, al davis wrote:
> On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:19, Jorge Ernesto Guevara Cuenca
> wrote:
> > And i do a question, is gEDA an proper software to use during
> > the formation academical process? I think yes that, this can
> > be used for that.
>
> What is the bi
Jorge Ernesto Guevara Cuenca wrote:
some of they say "use gEDA is back years in the simulation software",.
.
.
.
, is gEDA an proper software to use during the
formation academical process?
Perhaps their criteria for judging software are about "enabling low skilled to
do more" or "enabling
al davis wrote:
On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:19, Jorge Ernesto Guevara Cuenca
wrote:
And i do a question, is gEDA an proper software to use during
the formation academical process? I think yes that, this can
be used for that.
What is the biggest difference between education now and when I
On Sunday 25 February 2007 12:19, Jorge Ernesto Guevara Cuenca
wrote:
> And i do a question, is gEDA an proper software to use during
> the formation academical process? I think yes that, this can
> be used for that.
What is the biggest difference between education now and when I
was an undergr
Hi everybody,
I'm working with a friend in a some basic examples (mostly simulation)
for gEDA show in a university (CUN[1]), this institution began to
migrate to Sofware Libre and in the process some teachers not has
convinced to use gEDA in the process of formation of your students,
some of they
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