Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (11)

2007-07-09 Thread Carlos Nieves Ónega
El lun, 09-07-2007 a las 11:56 +, Kai-Martin Knaak escribió: > If er is pressed while a copy hovers at the mouse, the copy is discarded > and the selection rotated. The intuitive behaviour would be to rotate the > copy and leave the original untouched. > > Along the same line: er while move

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (11)

2007-07-09 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
If er is pressed while a copy hovers at the mouse, the copy is discarded and the selection rotated. The intuitive behaviour would be to rotate the copy and leave the original untouched. Along the same line: er while move with m is active, currently ends move node and places a rotated version o

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (10)

2007-07-09 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Currently, there is no immediate feedback on the state of rubber band mode or outline/box. Please include this information into the status line. Alternatively, show the current state in the menu with a check mark, like the settings menu in pcb does. ---<(kaimartin)>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-05 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 00:14:53 -0400, Ales Hvezda wrote: > I've added a (junction-color ...) rc keyword to the light and dark > background color schemes. For the dark scheme, the default junction > color is yellow. For the light scheme, the default junction color is > purple. So I can easily set t

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-04 Thread Ales Hvezda
[snip] >As I think someone else suggested, why not bus green (color 10)? I don't >have time to work out how to do this, but I'm happy to check and commit >a patch. I've added a (junction-color ...) rc keyword to the light and dark background color schemes. For the dark scheme, the default ju

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-04 Thread Carlos Nieves Ónega
El mié, 04-07-2007 a las 22:08 +0200, Carlos Nieves Ónega escribió: > However, I tested it before posting, and it is not currently working. > The reason is that world_get_single_object_bounds is returning something > like left=100 right=120 bottom=395 top=405 for an horizontal net, when > some time

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-04 Thread Carlos Nieves Ónega
El mié, 04-07-2007 a las 10:09 +, Kai-Martin Knaak escribió: > My list of wishes and complaints still contains a load of items. If you > don't mind, I'll go on posting them in this thread. Next one is: > > > Currently, the letters of a new netname attribute touch the corr

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-04 Thread John Griessen
Werner Hoch wrote: > I didn't know about this feature and thus I wondered whether it is part > of the documentation or whether I should add it. > > And surprise: > http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gschem_ug#attribute..._aa I've been using it, but did not know about the possible gain from moving

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-04 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi all, On Wednesday 04 July 2007 19:40, John Doty wrote: > On Jul 4, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > > In case of "aa": How does gschem know, which net the netname > > attribute should be logically attached to? > > It attaches the attribute to the selected net. It places the > attrib

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-04 Thread John Doty
On Jul 4, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:49:59 -0600, John Doty wrote: > >> The attribute goes wherever the cursor is. Just move the cursor to >> where >> you want it before "aa". > > Hmm. If I want to attach a netname to a specific net, I usually select > t

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-04 Thread DJ Delorie
> In case of "aa": How does gschem know, which net the netname > attribute should be logically attached to? Click on the net to select it. Put the mouse cursor where you want the attribute. Hit "aa". ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.o

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-04 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:49:59 -0600, John Doty wrote: > The attribute goes wherever the cursor is. Just move the cursor to where > you want it before "aa". Hmm. If I want to attach a netname to a specific net, I usually select the net and do "ee". The hot spot of the resulting attribute string wi

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (9)

2007-07-04 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi Kai-Martin, On Wednesday 04 July 2007 13:35, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Some dialogs don't define which button will be accessed by the return > key. I spotted two such dialogs: > 1) "Single Attribute Editor" > 2) "Edit Attributes" > Please make the ok/close button default. This is onl

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-04 Thread John Doty
On Jul 4, 2007, at 4:09 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > > > Currently, the letters of a new netname attribute touch the > corresponding > net. Please place the attribute at a decent distance (e.g. 50 units > offset). > The attribute goes wherever the cur

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (9)

2007-07-04 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Some dialogs don't define which button will be accessed by the return key. I spotted two such dialogs: 1) "Single Attribute Editor" 2) "Edit Attributes" Please make the ok/close button default. ---<(kaimartin)>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-04 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 11:31:19 +0100, peter-rDcdRWvjh1wqdlJmJB21zg wrote: >> PS: My feature requests have been deleted from the BTS. > > They haven't -- they've been moved to the "Feature Requests" part of the > bug tracker system. Oups. Sorry for the inconvenience. I was ignorant of this sourcef

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view

2007-07-04 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
This is yet another feature request for gschem move: Currently connections can break on move under certain conditions, although rubberband option is active. This happens, if the connection is direct and "netless" between pins. Suggestion: Add a net if a connection threatens to break during mo

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-04 Thread peter
> PS: My feature requests have been deleted from the BTS. So I'll stop > posting them there. They haven't -- they've been moved to the "Feature Requests" part of the bug tracker system. I did it. Please please do continue putting them in the tracker! Thanks, Peter :) __

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (7)

2007-07-04 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Currently, rubberband move may lead to skewed nets. This is most probably not the desired shape of. Please add an option to restrict nets to rectangular style on rubberband move and make this the default. Add a perpendicular net if necessary, just like it is done with manual drawn nets. ---<(k

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-04 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
My list of wishes and complaints still contains a load of items. If you don't mind, I'll go on posting them in this thread. Next one is: Currently, the letters of a new netname attribute touch the corresponding net. Please place the attribute at a decent distance (e.g. 50 un

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-04 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:32:11 -0500, John Griessen wrote: > I also like the convention of crossing wires like: > > >| >| > ---o-o- > | > | > If pins are involved, a simple three wire junction currently looks ambiguous too. The correctly connect

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (3)

2007-07-04 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:10:36 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > sometimes I want to break connections on move of a symbol or selection. > I wish, there was a modifier to the move short cut that would do the > trick. How about [shift-m] and [shift] while the mouse moves? Just discovered the option "

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-03 Thread Ben Jackson
On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 02:02:42PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > How about a circle at a junction, and an X at an unconnected net end? I like that. I even made a symbol with a pin and an 'X' to put on intentionally unused pins of chips and headers. If I could just drag a short wire off the pin a

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-03 Thread John Luciani
On 7/3/07, Ales Hvezda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How about a circle at a junction, and an X at an unconnected net end? > > > > Actually for a while there gschem did exactly that, however, based on > user feedback (at the time) this functionality was unused and > subequently removed. > > Right

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-03 Thread Ales Hvezda
> How about a circle at a junction, and an X at an unconnected net end? > Actually for a while there gschem did exactly that, however, based on user feedback (at the time) this functionality was unused and subequently removed. Right now the filled rectangle and filled circle are controlled via a

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-03 Thread John Griessen
DJ Delorie wrote: > How about a circle at a junction, and an X at an unconnected net end? X at an unconnected net end has good intuitive meaning to me. I also like the convention of crossing wires like: | | ---o-o- | | I'd like that to be t

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-03 Thread DJ Delorie
How about a circle at a junction, and an X at an unconnected net end? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-03 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 15:38:08 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:32:10 +0100, Peter TB Brett wrote: > >> Connected nodes should use the net color. It's color should depend on > >> the color scheme. > > > > No -- it'll make it too difficult to tell whether two nets connect or > > ju

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-03 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:31:20 +0100, Peter TB Brett wrote: > Then the workflow would be: > > 1. Down symbol. If it's possible to edit the original library symbol, > you have the option to; otherwise it opens the embedded version for > editing. > > 2. Save symbol. If you're editing the embedded

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-03 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:32:10 +0100, Peter TB Brett wrote: >> Connected nodes should use the net color. It's color should depend on >> the color scheme. >> > No -- it'll make it too difficult to tell whether two nets connect or > just cross. Well, me thinks, a decently sized circle at a junction w

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-02 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi Peter and all, We could use green or yellow for the dot (connected) or red for the square (not connected). Kind regards, Bert Timmerman. BTW: We can't help the color blind in any other way than making the difference clear by using different shapes. On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 19:32 +0100, Peter T

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (2)

2007-07-02 Thread Bert Timmerman
Hi all, FWIW, About content: If pcb only had thumbnail images generated for every footprint in the way done in John Luciani's footprints index. The thumbnail images for footprints distributed with pcb could be created during build/install-time before run-time. Newly made footprint thumbnail image

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-02 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Monday 02 July 2007 19:05:02 Werner Hoch wrote: > Hi all, > > On Monday 02 July 2007 19:53, Peter TB Brett wrote: > > On Monday 02 July 2007 18:09:41 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > > > Suggestion: Draw connected nodes in black. That way, unconnected > > > net ends will stand out. This is a good thing

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-02 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Monday 02 July 2007 18:24:03 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > If a symbol was changed after "down-symbol" these changese very likely > are intended to propagate to the current schematic. Currently, this > involves manual interaction by the user: > a) save symbol > b) do "up-symbol" > c) select the affe

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-02 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi all, On Monday 02 July 2007 19:53, Peter TB Brett wrote: > On Monday 02 July 2007 18:09:41 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > > Suggestion: Draw connected nodes in black. That way, unconnected > > net ends will stand out. This is a good thing, since this is almost > > certainly not deliberate. > > Doesn

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (2)

2007-07-02 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Monday 02 July 2007 18:21:01 John Doty wrote: > > > > A footprint preview would be nice for symbols already in the schematic > > too. Maybe a command that pops a little graphic for a currently > > selected > > symbol... > > This is a huge job, since gEDA supports many different printed > circui

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-02 Thread Peter TB Brett
On Monday 02 July 2007 18:09:41 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Currently, an open end of a net looks very close to a successfully > connected node. (Little red square / Little red circle). This can be > confusing if the net is supposed to end at a place, where two pins meet. > The situation will look al

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (3)

2007-07-02 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi Kai-Martin, On Monday 02 July 2007 15:10, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > The third wish on my list: > > The rubber band move of gschem selections is a good default choice. > But sometimes I want to break connections on move of a symbol or > selection. I wish, there was a modifier to the move short c

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (5)

2007-07-02 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
If a symbol was changed after "down-symbol" these changese very likely are intended to propagate to the current schematic. Currently, this involves manual interaction by the user: a) save symbol b) do "up-symbol" c) select the affected symbols d) do "update symbols" Step c) is particular error p

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (2)

2007-07-02 Thread John Doty
On Jul 2, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: > Second entry from my book of wishes: > > > If a symbol contains a footprint attribute, the gschem library dialog > should give a preview. I know, this is only useful with "heavy" > symbols > and willl be frowned at b

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (4)

2007-07-02 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Currently, an open end of a net looks very close to a successfully connected node. (Little red square / Little red circle). This can be confusing if the net is supposed to end at a place, where two pins meet. The situation will look almost the same if it misses the joint of the pins. Suggestio

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (3)

2007-07-02 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
The third wish on my list: The rubber band move of gschem selections is a good default choice. But sometimes I want to break connections on move of a symbol or selection. I wish, there was a modifier to the move short cut that would do the trick. How about [shift-m] and [shift] while the mouse

Re: gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view (2)

2007-07-02 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Second entry from my book of wishes: If a symbol contains a footprint attribute, the gschem library dialog should give a preview. I know, this is only useful with "heavy" symbols and willl be frowned at by the proponents of light symbols. But wasn't geda supposed to su

gEDA-user: wishful thinking from a user point of view

2007-07-02 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
First of all, let me give big THANKS to the developers of geda/gaf and pcb. This combo of applications is already better suited to do my kind of job than eagle would :-) I just submitted a medium sized analog project to the pcb fab (eight opamps, oscillators, vco, phase detector, filters etc).