On 2016-06-11, Dale wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> Right now I'm experimenting with mlt's "melt" command line editor.
>> It seems to produce small, high-quality output files. I've figured
>> out how to do video fade-in, fade-out, but can
On 2016-06-11, James wrote:
> Grant Edwards gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Right now I'm experimenting with mlt's "melt" command line editor.
>> It seems to produces small, high-quality output files. I've
>> figured out how to do video fade-in, fade
On 2016-06-11, Dale wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>> I've got a handful of mp4 video clips (a minute or two each). All I
>> want to do is
>>
>> 1) Concatenate them with fade-in at beginning of each clip and fade-out
>> at the end of each clip
I've got a handful of mp4 video clips (a minute or two each). All I
want to do is
1) Concatenate them with fade-in at beginning of each clip and fade-out
at the end of each clip.
2) Superimpose a title at the beginning for a few seconds.
Can anybody recomment a simple video editor?
So
On 2016-06-01, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2016 22:05:24 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy
>> "dev-python/cairocffi[python_targets_python2_7(-)?,python_targets_python3_3(-)?,python_targets_python3_4(-)?,p
On 2016-05-31, Willie M wrote:
> On 05/31/2016 03:05 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> I can't install cairosvg. After an hour of googling and beating my
>> head against the wall, I still have absolutely no idea why:
>>
>> # eselect python list
>> Available Pyth
red by "cairosvg" [argument])
I've tried dozens of settings for PYTHON_TARGETS and
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET and have gotten exactly nowhere. Is there an
English translation of the emerge error message available?
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On 2016-05-28, Alan Grimes wrote:
[plonk]
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On 2016-05-13, Grant Edwards wrote:
> Well, I had never tried 4.9.3, and I'd been using 4.6 without problems
> for some time, so keeping 4.6 seemed like the safe way to go. I still
> don't understand what broke 4.6.
I must have been using 4.9 for a while and then switched
ain eclass) so there is no
need for users to call this themselves anymore.
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g to respond. Was
> that part of the re-organization of the gentoo.org website?
Tinderbox's owner pulled the plug on it a couple years ago. AFAIR, it
didn't have anything to do with the website reort.
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On 2016-05-13, Willie M wrote:
>>>> So, I uninstalled gcc 4.9 and all older versions except 4.6.
> 4.9 most likely works if it is installed. Just have to tell gentoo to
> use it.
>
> gcc-config -l
$ gcc-config -l
[1] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.6.4 *
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On 2016-05-13, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 08:25:14PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>> So, I uninstalled gcc 4.9 and all older versions except 4.6.
>>
>> I then removed 4.6 from the world file (but left it installed).
>>
>> emerge
On 2016-05-13, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2016 19:34:18 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> Is one no longer allowed to have multiple gcc versions insalled? It
>> seemd to be allowed earlier today...
>
> That's right, see the "A Glitch in t
uly borked.
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On 2016-05-13, Willie M wrote:
> On 05/13/2016 12:16 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> I have no idea but I seen that star and thought about that it might be
> that reason. It also wants to reinstall gcc-4.5 so make sure you
> uninstall that.
A couple hours ago, my system was perfectly
t seemed to be
for installing multiple versions within a slot. Why would one need
"multislot" set?
> So make sure you have that use flag enabled still for
> all of your gcc versions.
>
> sys-devel/gcc multislot
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section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Working/Portage#Blocked_packages
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On 2016-05-06, James wrote:
> Grant Edwards gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I'd like to to install winusb, and it appears to depend on grub-2:
>> $ sudo emerge -av winusb
>
> Ok, so I've never used winusb, so excuse me for asking a few dumb
> questions here
On 2016-05-06, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 6 May 2016 16:21:28 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> >> Thanks. That's good to know -- I'll definitely set things up so I'm
>> >> not running winusb as root.
>> >
>> > We
could always reinstall grub-0 before rebooting, to make sure.
I just created a systemsrescuecd bootable USB flash drive that can be
be used to re-install grub-0 in the MBR if something does go wrong.
But, running winusb as a non-privlidged user should prevent any
collateral damage to the MBR.
On 2016-05-06, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
>> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Grant Edwards
>> wrote:
[...]
>>> Yes, I know not to run grub2-install (and I trust that winusb will not
>>> do so either). Just to be
On 2016-05-06, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> On Thursday 05 May 2016 19:45:53 Mike Gilbert wrote:
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Grant Edwards
>>> wrote:
[...]
>>>> Since grub-2.02 is being insta
Since grub-2.02 is being installed in a new slot, one would assume it
won't interfere with continue use of grub-0.97...
Right?
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On 2016-04-16, John Blinka wrote:
> I've been meaning to write such a post for some time now. Thanks for
> prompting me to add my 2 cents.
Same here. I switched all my "daily drivers" from Mandrake/Mandriva
almost 15 years ago, and have no regrets. No more of the RPM
dependancy merry-go-round
On 2016-04-16, Alan Grimes wrote:
> I'm like I'M ALREADY UPDATING C TOO, YOU STOOPID STACK OF SHIT!!!
>
> Now I'm uninstalling packages like a madman hoping to clear through this...
Doing things like a madman may, in fact, be the problem.
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On 2016-03-23, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2016-03-23, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>> Most users in this day and age would probably reply "why do I need to
>> start with different resolutions and colour depth?"
>
> When using different display hardware: LCD projector,
ed with any of that, all my
> displays are now LCD where only one resolution makes any sense - native
If you've got multiple displays, "native" isn't really enough info.
Do you want to mirror a single screen, do you want multiple screens,
do you want a single screen spread ac
On 2016-03-23, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 04:51:52 PM Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2016-03-22, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> > On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:42:26 +, Ian Bloss wrote:
>> >> Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but you can always us
On 2016-03-22, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:42:26 +, Ian Bloss wrote:
>
>> Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but you can always use the
>> magic sysrsc key to get control of input back from X
>
> Yes, I mentioned Alt-SysReq-R several posts ago.
You're probably right, th
On 2016-03-21, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 10:52:26 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote:
>
>> Anyone who boots directly to X'doze without first going through a safe
>> console login is a raging mad lunatic who needs his head examined.
> After all, it's not as though it falls back to a console
On 2016-03-21, Alan Grimes wrote:
> Anyone who boots directly to X'doze without first going through a safe
> console login is a raging mad lunatic who needs his head examined. [...]
A bit hyperbolic perhaps, but I've always been a firm believer in the
"boot to console and start X from the comman
nd was thrown back into
> useflag hell:
Have you considered just re-installing from scratch? I know it's
tough to admit defeat, but when a base install takes less than an
hour[1]...
[1] Plus the overnight "emerge" command that builds all the fancy
stuff...
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On 2016-03-04, Jonathan Callen wrote:
> On 03/03/2016 04:00 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> I'm sure I'm just being stupid, but I don't understand the lists of
>> affected and unaffected version numbers in Gentoo security
>> advisories.
>>
>> F
evision >= 0.9.8z_p13, revision >= 0.9.8z_p14,
revision >= 0.9.8z_p15
If it's true that versions >= 0.9.8z_p8 are unaffected,
why is there a need to list that versions >= 0.9.8z_p[9-15] are
unaffected? Are <> relationships betwen version numbers within the
0.9.8z_pNNN s
On 2016-03-02, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Budget seems unlikely to influence choice of graphics card maker.
If budget is not an issue, then buy a couple different models from
each brand and test them to see which one performs the best in your
application.
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On 2016-01-31, Grant wrote:
> Sorry, I should have been more specific. I want to run a desktop Java
> 8 app remotely.
So you're asking how to set up some sort of remote desktop access?
Wasn't there just a huge thread on this with a subject something like
"allowing work from home"?
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y/mouse/keyboard part
of it works pretty much the same.
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On 2016-01-16, Daniel Frey wrote:
> I would use VPN + an X server that can spawn sessions on demand. This
> way it all stays internal on the work network.
One caveat: the way X11 was intended to work in this situation is that
you run the X11 clients on the secure machine in the office, and run
t
On 2016-01-07, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2015-05-18, Mick wrote:
>> On Monday 18 May 2015 22:17:43 Manuel Schönlaub wrote:
>>> Just upgrade to the - unstable - chrome 43. As Mike stated in an email
>>> before, the unconditional dependency in libsecret was removed
the same bug that was supposedly
fixed in version 43.
Even when built with -gnome-keyring, it insists on trying to use a
gnome keyring.
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On 2016-01-02, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> I have quite a few large audio rip files that need to be split up
> into their respective tracks.
[...]
> I very seldom work with audio files directly, so I'm mostly clueless
> in this area and it's easier to ask folks who do this often what
> packages out th
On 2015-12-19, Mick wrote:
> http://hmarco.org/bugs/CVE-2015-8370-Grub2-authentication-bypass.html
If somebody can touch your computer while it's booting, the game's
over anyway...
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On 2015-11-15, Dale wrote:
> Wasn't there a emerge option to ignore the manifest? I seem to recall
> there used to be one but it was a LONG time ago. Of course, if someone
> has tinkered with something that would be a bad thing to do.
If the digest failures are for packages you don't have inst
On 2015-11-12, wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> After an emerge --sync that appeared to work with no problems, my
>> "emerge -auvND world" command is reporting that the Changelong files
>> are broken for about 2/3 of the packages it wants to update:
>
the emerge timestamp, sync'ed again, and got the same
result. Based on past experiences, I'm guessing that if I wait a day
or two and sync again the problems will go away.
But I am curious what causes these temporary breakages. Does anybody
know how this happens
etical than real, but the theory
> is what puzzles me.)
Sounds like a normal low-level SNAFU to me...
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t have to use the
KDE desktop.
But, in my experience, whenever there's a major upgrade to KDE and you
have KDE apps that require different versions of libraries, or
backwards compatibility features built into libraries, it gets ugly
fast. At that point, I ususally end up un
On 2015-09-30, Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> [Actually, I don't recall ever using evince or atril for filling out
>> PDF forms -- so that might be another reason I'd have to keep acroread
>> around.]
>
> In my e
On 2015-09-30, Chris Spackman wrote:
> On 2015/09/30 at 04:27am, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>
>> [Actually, I don't recall ever using evince or atril for filling out
>> PDF forms -- so that might be another reason I'd have to keep
>> acroread around.]
>
>
On 2015-09-30, walt wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 16:09:00 + (UTC)
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> On 2015-09-29, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>> > I'm sick and tired of the Gnome "CSD" nonsense which appears to be a
>> > concerted eff
On 2015-09-29, Lee wrote:
> I saw 'Irises' in person at the Getty, and it took 5 min before I could
> lift my jaw off the ground...
Haven't seen that one in person yet, it's on loan to the MIA here in
Minneaplis until this Saturday, so I'd better get i
s self-portraits.
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On 2015-09-29, Grant Edwards wrote:
> I'm sick and tired of the Gnome "CSD" nonsense which appears to be a
> concerted effort to break gtk+ apps on all desktops other than very
> specific configurations of Gnome desktops. To the Gnome developer's
> cred
org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788076
It looks like I would have to downgrade gtk+ from 3.16 to 3.14 in
order to use it. Has anybody tried it?
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On 2015-09-18, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> I'll test without "xinerama" in the near future and let you know.
> (requires a rebuild of a lot of stuff...)
Don't bother on my account -- it's just idle curiosity, and I could do
the test myself...
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On 2015-09-18, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Friday 18 September 2015 14:34:26 Grant Edwards wrote:
>> I like having separate screens because the window manager I use
>> (xfwm4) supports multiple virtual workspaces for each screen (4 per
>> screen by default). I find it very
arently written
by MS-Windows programmers based on the assumption that a computer is
always used by exactly one person to run exactly one program on
exactly on screen. Most other X apps are properly written and support
multiple screens just fine.
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email and web-browser up on one
screen while switching the other two back and forth between multiple
tasks/projects. (I am rarely allowed to work uninterrupted for long
periods on a single task.)
Not being able to move windows between screens is an inconvenience,
but for me it's well wort
On 2015-09-18, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Thu, September 17, 2015 16:33, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2015-09-17, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>> On 2015-09-17, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I use 2 screens extensively and never experienced any issues like
On 2015-09-17, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2015-09-17, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
>>>> I use 2 screens extensively and never experienced any issues like you
>>>> describe.
>>>
>>> And you can select/paste from one screen to another where the source
>&
around
> for years.
Agreed. Apps that use other libraries seem to work fine, and gtk-2
works fine.
>> Are you really using multiple screens? Or a single screen spread
>> across mutliple monitors? If you start an xterm on every monitor and
>> do "echo $DI
On 2015-09-16, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 06:57:36 PM Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2015-09-15, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> > In most X11 apps I can select some text and then paste it somewhere
>> > else with a middle-click, or dump it to stdout with
On 2015-09-15, Grant Edwards wrote:
> In most X11 apps I can select some text and then paste it somewhere
> else with a middle-click, or dump it to stdout with the command 'xclip
> -o'. That doesn't work for highligted text in gtk-3 apps (meld,
> evince, audacious, e
ddle-click in a terminal window it does nothing and 'xclip -o' just
hangs. Selecting text elsewhere will deselect the text in the gtk-3
app, so gtk-3 isn't _completely_ ignoring X11 clipboards/buffers.
Any ideas why gtk-3 copy/paste is broken and how to fix it?
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On 2015-08-28, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:34:30 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> I know it has worked in the past, and I know that recent versions of
>> some distros that use Grub2 still allow you to pick a partition for
>> the bootloader dur
On 2015-08-27, Jeremi Piotrowski wrote:
> I much prefer chainloading and giving each distro free reign over their
> own boot loader. That way they can pretend they're the boss and work the
> way they were intended to and I can supervise things from gentoo.
Yup. I've got up to 12 Linux distros o
ow you to pick a partition for
the bootloader during the install.
> I have done it a couple of times so far, just as you describe above.
> In my case I chainload GRUB2 with NTLDR or modern equivalent and this
> is how I know that the MBR was not being overwritten by it.
On 2015-08-27, James wrote:
> Grant Edwards gmail.com> writes:
>> For those of us with multiple Linux installations on a disk, that's a
>> pretty big reason to stick with grub-legacy.
>
> So you are saying (trying to read the 'tea leaves' here) that
>
e.
>
> It's not a bug, and it won't be "fixed". Installing on a partition is
> simply not supported.
So, grub2 refuses to share power and cooperate with another bootloader.
Bill Gates would be pround.
For those of us with multiple Linux installations on a disk, that&#
but rarely.
[1] cdparanoia, mp3lame, cddb, ffmpeg, mencoder, id3tag etc.
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with this, but what is the benefit of such profile selection::
> curiously I have no experience with the profile selection, despite
> running quite a few amd64 system. What would the benefits be
> running this profile on older amd64 hardware ?
The main benefit of ARM64 w/o 32-bit libs is
thstand a limited number erase/program cycles.
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On 2015-08-22, Alan McKinnon wrote:
[regarding floating point comparison.]
> A good way to demonstrate just how problematic floats can be is to point
> out that floats are banned in the linux kernel for exactly this reason.
> Integers only.
Really? The reason that I was given when I wanted to
On 2015-08-21, Alan Grimes wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2015-08-21, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>>> Earlier I saw segfaults in gcc, and another poster pointed it out.
>>>
>>> When gcc segfaults, it is always suspicious mostly because the compiler
es, I could often run
memtest for several passes and not see an error. But, _eventually_
ramtest would catch it. Run memtest for a few days. Really.
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>
> Ranting on the list might make you feel better, but is not likely to fix
> your problem. Just saying.
In fact, the more you rant and swear and insult people, the fewer
people are going to pay attention and try to help.
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version was fetched, so once you've installed a "live" ebuild, it
won't ever get updated no matter how many subsequent changes have been
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ssumptions made about what colors are actually
legible is wrong if you use terminals with white backgrounds. I
have to turn off colors just to make the default output legible.
2) It introduces dependencies like this which should be minimized in
something as central to the system as e
is built. One suggestion I
saw for this problem (on a different distro) is to symlink libtinfo to
libncurses.
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On 2015-08-08, Felix Miata wrote:
> I don't get why any distro leaves this out, why anyone wouldn't like to
> automatically notice while booting any announcement that something failed,
> especially someone who has just gotten a new installation up for the first
> times. Why isn't --noclear set by
On 2015-08-07, James wrote:
> gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>> > If I'm monkeying around with my email config and I'm not sure if
>> > everything is still okay, I usually use gmane [1,2].
>
>> > [1] http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user
>> > [2] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user
>
> Y
arned most of what you're going to learn, and
it's just a long hard slog the rest of the way. But do you give up
and do a fresh install? No, you keep going "because it's there".
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ation semantic" if
that's what people want. I don't see any benefit in turning Gentoo
into yet another "me too" one-click installation trying to compete
with RedHat and Ubuntu.
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On 2015-08-04, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Aug 2015 17:20:40 + (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2015-08-04, Felix Miata wrote:
>>
>> > That's right, May 2011, my first and only Gentoo installation, 32 bit on an
>> > old Athlon, which means no s
On 2015-08-04, Felix Miata wrote:
> Grant Edwards composed on 2015-08-04 17:20 (UTC):
>
>> My gut feeling is that a fresh install is going to be a _lot_ easier
>
> For some "degenerate" value of easier. :-)
>
>> and faster. A fresh install will take a
between a couple days and a couple weeks.
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the SDcard, reinitialize it, put 2
>> partitions on it and copy back the stuff.)
>
> Given that you should backup any important data before resizing any
> filesystem, this may be the easiest method.
I've had resize operations go pear-shaped on me. I have
On 2015-07-24, wrote:
> I never missed an installer. And I'm neither a geek nor an IT
> professional.
If you don't miss an installer, I'm afraid you're definitely a geek.
"Not that there's anything wrong with that..."
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On 2015-07-22, walt wrote:
> Very soon after being invited to open a gmail account, I discovered
> that google offers non-web-browser access to their free (as in beer)
> email servers.
Yep. Their IMAP implementation is pretty well done. Definitly better
than courier and far better than MS exch
_Minimal-Install_Image_on_USB#Copying_the_ISO_Image_to_USB
> Or you could wait for the resident expert (Neil) to supply the magic
> incantation that lets dd do what you want :-)
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And mechanical shredding:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZdZGKyu9hc
Others favor a high-powered rifle or an 8lb sledge.
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Perhaps you're just not aware that they're controlling you?
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