Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Alexander Skwar
Dale schrieb: > Well I have to have HTML because I use email for a LOT more than just > this list. And why do you need HTML there? Anyway, Mozilla/Thunderbird makes it very easy to decide if HTML is used or not - when you set the default to text/plain, you hold down shift while you click on the

Re: [gentoo-user] nvu, mozilla designer: why such behaviour ?

2005-10-31 Thread Anthony Roy
Your question may be better posted at http://forum.nvudev.org/ -- Ant... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Antoine
I can't change the whole world just for one list. No need to. Even in other mails, there's seldom a need for HTML in mails. I too am interested in useful contexts for html. I just can't think of any situation where I wouldn't use structured text markup in an email. Sure, I might *attach*

[gentoo-user] cups printing error

2005-10-31 Thread Qv6
Folks; Just upgraded kde from 3.3.2 to 3.4.1 and now have the following problems: problem 1: can no longer access my block devices from Konqueror. From Konqueror I get a "Protocol not supported" error when I click on the devices tab. So I can't access my usb disk or even view my parti

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Dale
Alexander Skwar wrote: Dale schrieb: Well I have to have HTML because I use email for a LOT more than just this list. And why do you need HTML there? Anyway, Mozilla/Thunderbird makes it very easy to decide if HTML is used or not - when you set the default to text/plai

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Holly Bostick
Dale schreef: > Qian Qiao wrote: > > >> On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Dale schrieb: Me too. Badly translated joke. It should read: >>> There are 10 kinds of people. Then it is funny. >>> >>> >> >> It takes a bit of time to get the joke, :) It has nothi

Re: [gentoo-user] "wiping" unused space and/or secure erasing of files

2005-10-31 Thread Matthias Bethke
Hi Hemmann,, on Sunday, 2005-10-30 at 19:05:20, you wrote: > > Oh, no doubt that they can recover from burned platters. > > But have you ever seen, that they can recover overwritten > > data? > > not seen, but read about it. They can recover overwritten data. Maybe those overwritten once with a s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Alexander Skwar
Qian Qiao schrieb: > On 10/30/05, Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Dale schrieb: >> Me too. Badly translated joke. It should read: There are 10 >> kinds of people. Then it is funny. > > It takes a bit of time to get the joke, :) It has nothing to do with > binary system. :P While we'

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Alexander Skwar
Holly Bostick schrieb: > Dale schreef: >> he's trying to say computers can't count. No, I'm not. > The other joke is similar, but goes like this > > There are 10 kinds of people in the world > Those who understand binary, and those who don't > > ("1" is "yes" in binary language, which only con

Re: [gentoo-user] Replacing Suse on my server.

2005-10-31 Thread Matthias Bethke
Hi Anthony, on Sunday, 2005-10-30 at 16:06:47, you wrote: > The main reason for my interest in Gentoo was to replace Suse on my > server, since it looked promising in the control I have over the > installation. > > My question is this: I want to replace Suse on the server with the > minimal amount

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Alexander Skwar
Antoine schrieb: >>>I can't change the whole world just for one list. >> >> >> No need to. Even in other mails, there's seldom a need >> for HTML in mails. > > I too am interested in useful contexts for html. I just can't think of > any situation where I wouldn't use structured text markup in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Alexander Skwar
Dale schrieb: > Alexander Skwar wrote: > >>Dale schrieb: >> >> >> >>>Well I have to have HTML because I use email for a LOT more than just >>>this list. >>> >>> >> >>And why do you need HTML there? >> >>Anyway, Mozilla/Thunderbird makes it very easy to decide if >>HTML is used or not - when

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Holly Bostick
Dale schreef: > Alexander Skwar wrote: > >> Dale schrieb: >> >>> Well I have to have HTML because I use email for a LOT more than >>> just this list. >> >> And why do you need HTML there? >> >> Anyway, Mozilla/Thunderbird makes it very easy to decide if HTML is >> used or not - when you set t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Holly Bostick
Alexander Skwar schreef: > Holly Bostick schrieb: > >>The other joke is similar, but goes like this >> >>There are 10 kinds of people in the world >>Those who understand binary, and those who don't >> >>("1" is "yes" in binary language, which only consists of the "letters" 1 >>and 0, and is the ba

Re: [gentoo-user] cups printing error

2005-10-31 Thread brullo nulla
problem 1: can no longer access my block devices from Konqueror. FromKonqueror I get a "Protocol not supported" error when I click on the devices tab. So I can't access my usb disk or even view my partitionsfrom Konqueror. It seems you lack the correct kioslaves. When you emerged the split ebuilds

Re: [gentoo-user] Replacing Suse on my server.

2005-10-31 Thread Holly Bostick
Matthias Bethke schreef: > Hi Anthony, on Sunday, 2005-10-30 at 16:06:47, you wrote: > >> The main reason for my interest in Gentoo was to replace Suse on my >> server, since it looked promising in the control I have over the >> installation. >> >> My question is this: I want to replace Suse on

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread brullo nulla
> Well I have to have HTML because I use email for a LOT more than just > this list. > > Because I send pictures and make my text have color and all that stuff. > Ain't that HTML? Ain't no list getting between me and my lady. No way! You're guilty of terrible bad taste :) . I exchange pl

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Dale
Alexander Skwar wrote: Dale schrieb: Alexander Skwar wrote: Dale schrieb: Well I have to have HTML because I use email for a LOT more than just this list. And why do you need HTML there? Anyway, Mozilla/Thunderb

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Holly Bostick
Dale schreef: > Well, I have Mozilla set up to send both types, plain and HTML, so > that you can get whatever you want. It makes it take longer to send > over my slow dial-up but I thought it polite, maybe it is not after > all. In that case, you're wasting your own bandwidth, since many of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Dale
Holly Bostick wrote: Dale schreef: Well, I have Mozilla set up to send both types, plain and HTML, so that you can get whatever you want. It makes it take longer to send over my slow dial-up but I thought it polite, maybe it is not after all. In that case, you're

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Qian Qiao
On 10/31/05, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Holly Bostick wrote: > Dale schreef: > If I am that big of a headache, so sorry I came here. I used to wonder why > more people didn't try to help people that use Linux, I beginning to see > why. You join a list and have to turn yourself upside

[gentoo-user] Re: xfce and qt-themes

2005-10-31 Thread Peper
dumb problem? :D -- Best Regards Peper -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Dale
Qian Qiao wrote: >You are not turning yourself upside down, and you don't have to. Not >sending HTML and try not to top-post isn't that hard to do, almost >everybody else on this list knows how to do that, and I don't see why >you can't. > >-- Joe > > > Funny, I feel turned upside down. I'm not

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Dale
Qian Qiao wrote: >>You are not turning yourself upside down, and you don't have to. Not >>sending HTML and try not to top-post isn't that hard to do, almost >>everybody else on this list knows how to do that, and I don't see why >>you can't. >> >>-- Joe >> >> >> I'm not sure that last one work

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
Hi, nobody wants to hurt, harm or insult you. It is just that 95% of all public mailing lists have this two simple rules: no top posting no html A lot of people don't even read html mails, some even get angry about them, so when somebody tells you, not to send them, (s)he does it to help you. T

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Qian Qiao
On 10/31/05, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure that last one worked right either. It was supposed to ask > before sending, it didn't. I added this domain to plain text, something > I just lucked up and found in preferences. Maybe this will work. Let > me know if it does or not. It

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Qian Qiao
On 10/31/05, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Funny, I feel turned upside down. I'm not everybody else either, I'm > me. I like to help people but I don't want to change who I am to do it. It's just like moving into a new neighbourhood, you have to take your time to get acquainted, it is natura

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Alexander Skwar
Dale schrieb: > Well, I have Mozilla set up to send both types, plain and HTML, so that > you can get whatever you want. Yes, you can setup Mozilla that way. > It makes it take longer to send over my > slow dial-up but I thought it polite, maybe it is not after all. HTML most often ist not pol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Dale
Qian Qiao wrote: >On 10/31/05, Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I'm not sure that last one worked right either. It was supposed to ask >>before sending, it didn't. I added this domain to plain text, something >>I just lucked up and found in preferences. Maybe this will work. Let >>me kn

Re: [gentoo-user] people who don't understand binary (was: Re: Quoting styles)

2005-10-31 Thread Stroller
I'll byte. I avoided commenting on this yesterday on the principle that "if you have to explain the joke then it's no longer funny", but here's my interpretation. On Oct 31, 2005, at 11:54 am, Holly Bostick wrote: There are 10 kinds of people in the world Those who understand binary, and thos

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Dale
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: >Hi, > >nobody wants to hurt, harm or insult you. > >It is just that 95% of all public mailing lists have this two simple rules: >no top posting >no html > >A lot of people don't even read html mails, some even get angry about them, so >when somebody tells you, not to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Dale
Qian Qiao wrote: > >It's just like moving into a new neighbourhood, you have to take your >time to get acquainted, it is natural to feel a bit uncomfortable at >the begining, but that's not how it is. Once you get used to things, >you'll be part of that neighbourhood. > > I live in the country,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Monday 31 October 2005 15:43, Dale wrote: > > Thanks, I needed that. Can I assume english is not your native > language? The writing was fine, the name gave it away though. I do > like to read those who have bad english sometimes. It may take me a > minute to figure it out but they need hel

Sony Picturebook Widescreen framebuffer patch, was: Re: [gentoo-user] The Root Block Device is unspecified or not detected - PCMCIA card CD Boot on Sony Vaio

2005-10-31 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:48:24 + Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Oct 30, 2005, at 11:18 am, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: > > > > I'm running Gentoo on my picturebook happily since about 2 or 3 years > > now. Just ask if there are more problems. I can give you a kernel patch > > for the

Re: [gentoo-user] people who don't understand binary (was: Re: Quoting styles)

2005-10-31 Thread brullo nulla
Whoa! Are you running for "Ubergeek-Of-The-Year" award? :D Seriously (haha), your considerations are technically true, but they are of no use in explaining/burning down the famous joke. The sense of the joke is (1)making people that understand binary understand the joke itself and (2)letting other

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Dale
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: >you are correct, english was my second language (and latin my third). > >And I was so bad in english that I had to redo 7th grade... ;) > >Glück Auf >Volker > > > Don't worry, my english ain't all that great either. Bad part is, I only know english. O_O Dale --

RE: [gentoo-user] updates

2005-10-31 Thread John Dangler
Yes, it is. JD -Original Message- From: Qian Qiao [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:00 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] updates On 10/30/05, John Dangler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roy~ > Thanks for the reply. I actually used gen

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Richard Fish
Dale wrote: I can't tell any difference over here. It looks the same to me. < scratches head > Mozilla/Thunderbird will 'interpret' plain-text messages, so for example when you see this in Thunderbird, you will see that /this is italic/, *this is bold*, and _this is underlined_. No HTM

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Holly Bostick
Dale schreef: > I wonder which one worked, the telling it to ask first, which it > didn't, or setting the domain thing. I don't know why the asking thing didn't work (I'd have to look, and it's not really important anymore), but the domain thing doesn't have to ask you, because you've told it wh

Re: [gentoo-user] grub "...succeeded" -- Wrong!SOLVED

2005-10-31 Thread maxim wexler
It was a typo in the conf. I had commented out the line: title install GRUB onto the hard disk. --- maxim wexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everybody, > > This is too weird. Just did a re-emerge of grub onto > a > tiny(80M) hd as /dev/hda for /dev/hdb, my main > drive. > Grub seems to bo

Re: Sony Picturebook Widescreen framebuffer patch, was: Re: [gentoo-user] The Root Block Device is unspecified or not detected - PCMCIA card CD Boot on Sony Vaio

2005-10-31 Thread Stroller
On Oct 31, 2005, at 3:03 pm, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: I really loved getting the widescreen framebuffer working - it was such a buzz, so cool. That made for the ultimate in notebook usability and portability. I'm copying it here verbatim. It's made against a 2.6.11.n kernel and may need a l

[gentoo-user] Re: ethereal weirdness

2005-10-31 Thread James
Richard Fish asmallpond.org> writes: > >ethereal has worked for a long time on my portable. eix says it's installed: > You need to add the +gtk use flag. Otherwise you just get "tethereal" > which is the console interface. Well, I've had 'gtk in my make.use file since the beginning. When did

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel error messages: gentoo-sources 2.6.13-r5

2005-10-31 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
This changed things, but not for the better.  See below. On 10/30/05, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin O'Gorman wrote:> 2) The init scripts complain that the system doesn't support DEVFS or> UDEV, but> a) I thought I *did* have UDEV; I remember a big deal about> converting to it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Holly Bostick
Dale schreef: > Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: >> >> Sometimes this 'educating' may sound much harsher than ment - but >> don't forget, that for a lot of people on this (or every public) >> mailing list english is only the second or third language - and >> hitting the right 'tone' is not easy, if yo

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel error messages: gentoo-sources 2.6.13-r5

2005-10-31 Thread Ted Ozolins
Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > > > I got rid of the file, and now X cannot see my mouse, and refuses to > start. > I think the problem is that it used to be /dev/mouse and is now > /dev/input/mouse0 > or some such. I'm not sure. I don't know where the Xorg config file is, > so I don't know what to chan

[gentoo-user] Weird pauses making me nuts

2005-10-31 Thread Holly Bostick
Hey, all, Sorry that this will not be an extremely clear question, but I really have no idea where to start, or what the problem is. Basically, my system is running "fine" (no overt problems), but about every 30 seconds or so, it 'pauses' to do something, and I have to wait for 5-10 seconds while

[gentoo-user] Re: Hylafax & e-mail

2005-10-31 Thread James
Mark gmail.com> writes: > Has anyone set up a Hylafax server along with a mail system on the same > server? Did you look at: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_FAX_Server or http://www.linuxhowtos.org/System/faxserver.htm these result of googling with: +hylafax +postscript +gentoo hth, James --

[gentoo-user] Re: ethereal weirdness

2005-10-31 Thread Tim Kruse
* On 31.10.2005 James wrote: >> [ebuild R ] net-analyzer/ethereal-0.10.13-r1 -adns +gtk +ipv6 >> -kerberos -snmp +ssl 0 kB > > What syntax did you use to generate this listing? ,- | % emerge -pv ethereal | | These are the packages that I would merge, in order: | | Calculating depende

Re: [gentoo-user] Weird pauses making me nuts

2005-10-31 Thread Martins Steinbergs
On Monday 31 October 2005 18:24, Holly Bostick wrote: > Hey, all, > > Sorry that this will not be an extremely clear question, but I really > have no idea where to start, or what the problem is. > > Basically, my system is running "fine" (no overt problems), but about > every 30 seconds or so, it '

[gentoo-user] Apache 1.3.34 ebuild

2005-10-31 Thread David Gama Rodrí­guez
Hello list I need to update Apache 1.3.33 to Apache 1.3.34 but I cant find an ebuild for that version, Why 1.3.34 ebuild is not in portage? Is unstable?? Is there a way to install apache 1.3.34 without and ebuild and without "crash" portage? Or I have to make my own ebuild? tnks -- ge

[gentoo-user] ext3: 10% non-contiguous

2005-10-31 Thread Rafael Fernández López
Hi, Each 20 times that my hard disk is mounted, my ext3 partition (is the only one that I have) gets checked for inconsistencies. On the last times that that task has been runned, it tells me that ~ (more or less) the 10% of the filesystem is non-contiguous. I suppose that the pro

[gentoo-user] Apache 1.3.34 ebuild

2005-10-31 Thread David Gama Rodrí­guez
Hello list I need to update Apache 1.3.33 to Apache 1.3.34 but I cant find an ebuild for that version, Why 1.3.34 ebuild is not in portage? Is unstable?? Is there a way to install apache 1.3.34 without and ebuild and without "crash" portage? Or I have to make my own ebuild? tnks -- ge

Re: [gentoo-user] "wiping" unused space and/or secure erasing of files

2005-10-31 Thread Octavio Ruiz (Ta^3)
Alexander Skwar, who happens to be smarter than you, thinks: > Dale schrieb: > > > Those forensics folks sure are good though. I have heard they can get > > it back even after you have wrote alternating 1's and 0's to the drive a > > dozen times. > > Where have you heard that? I don't think they

Re: [gentoo-user] Weird pauses making me nuts

2005-10-31 Thread Holly Bostick
Martins Steinbergs schreef: > On Monday 31 October 2005 18:24, Holly Bostick wrote: >> >>Basically, my system is running "fine" (no overt problems), but about >>every 30 seconds or so, it 'pauses' to do something, and I have to wait >>for 5-10 seconds while it does it before I can go further. Or th

Re: [gentoo-user] How to work with etc-updates.

2005-10-31 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Thursday 01 September 2005 04:09 am, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:16:55 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > >2) If it's a file in /etc/initd then I update it automatically. > > > > This rule is still true. I am not a programmer and will never edit > > an init script. For me these ar

[gentoo-user] How to get debug info when umount fails

2005-10-31 Thread Harry Putnam
I notice whenever mounted shares or external drives etc. (Etc here only includes cifs mounted shares of msOS origin). And something unforseen happens before they are umounted properly, like powered down disconnected reboot etc) Those mount points will fail a umount. And even when share becomes a

[gentoo-user] OT: top quotes, html mail, and binary jokes

2005-10-31 Thread kashani
If only Gentoo were more complicated to administrate we'd have less time for discussing mathematical jokes (funny), html mail (a crutch of dubious usefulness for the inarticulate), and top posting (I blame Pine). Damn you Pooorrrageee!!! Since these subjects come up every six

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: top quotes, html mail, and binary jokes

2005-10-31 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, kashani wrote: > usefulness for the inarticulate), and top posting (I blame Pine). Why? > -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] "wiping" unused space and/or secure erasing of files/ Is this irrelevent?

2005-10-31 Thread Rob
Matthias Bethke wrote: > Hi Hemmann,, > on Sunday, 2005-10-30 at 19:05:20, you wrote: > >>>Oh, no doubt that they can recover from burned platters. >>>But have you ever seen, that they can recover overwritten >>>data? >> >>not seen, but read about it. They can recover overwritten data. > > > May

Re: [gentoo-user] local portage server

2005-10-31 Thread John Jolet
On Friday 28 October 2005 14:23, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:14:33 -0500, John Jolet wrote: > > > You should have got that when you synced the server with one of the > > > Gentoo mirrors. the file is at ${PORTDIR}/metadata/timestamp.chk > > > > should have been loaded in with an e

[gentoo-user] What list for Mac Mini?

2005-10-31 Thread Mark Knecht
Hi, What Gentoo email list is best for Mac Mini questions? Is that the gentoo-ppc list or something else? Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: top quotes, html mail, and binary jokes

2005-10-31 Thread kashani
Jorge Almeida wrote: On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, kashani wrote: usefulness for the inarticulate), and top posting (I blame Pine). Why? The semi-factual answer is because bottom posting was the norm until Pine appeared on the scene or at least that's the story according to apocryphal Internet lege

Re: [gentoo-user] What list for Mac Mini?

2005-10-31 Thread Mike Williams
On Monday 31 October 2005 18:35, Mark Knecht wrote: >    What Gentoo email list is best for Mac Mini questions? Is that the > gentoo-ppc list or something else? ppc-user is all but dead. Installing really isn't anymore difficult than normal though, and google has answered all my questions. -- M

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: top quotes, html mail, and binary jokes

2005-10-31 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, kashani wrote: > Jorge Almeida wrote: > > > On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, kashani wrote: usefulness for the inarticulate), and > > > top posting (I blame Pine). > > > > Why? > > The semi-factual answer is because bottom posting was the norm until > Pine appeared on the scene or

Re: [gentoo-user] Weird pauses making me nuts

2005-10-31 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:24:26 +0100 Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Basically, my system is running "fine" (no overt problems), but about > every 30 seconds or so, it 'pauses' to do something, and I have to wait > for 5-10 seconds while it does it before I can go further. Or the > d

Re: [gentoo-user] How to get debug info when umount fails

2005-10-31 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:36:56 -0600 Harry Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > I want to know what is happening there. A restart of samba has no > noticable effect. It can't, it only manages server side. Client side is done by the kernel. > What can I do to hasten the remountability

[gentoo-user] initial startup time of programs like emerge

2005-10-31 Thread henkg
Hello, I have 4 gentoo systems. Three are 1-3 years old, the fourth has just been rebooted for the first time after installing gento 2005.1 on it. When I reboot any of the older three computers and simply type emerge it takes 14 to 20 seconds before I get a message from emerge. On the fourth c

Re: [gentoo-user] Weird pauses making me nuts

2005-10-31 Thread Holly Bostick
Hans-Werner Hilse schreef: > Hi, > > On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:24:26 +0100 Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> Basically, my system is running "fine" (no overt problems), but >> about every 30 seconds or so, it 'pauses' to do something, and I >> have to wait for 5-10 seconds while

Re: [gentoo-user] people who don't understand binary

2005-10-31 Thread Antoine
brullo nulla wrote: Whoa! Are you running for "Ubergeek-Of-The-Year" award? :D Seriously (haha), your considerations are technically true, but they are of no use in explaining/burning down the famous joke. The sense of the joke is (1)making people that understand binary understand the joke itsel

Re: [gentoo-user] Weird pauses making me nuts

2005-10-31 Thread Robert Svoboda
* Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-10-31 18:50]: > Hey, all, Hi, [...] > Since all the problems seem to be related to the X server, > maybe it's an X problem; So have you tried it without X running? Robert -- Robert Svoboda [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] What list for Mac Mini?

2005-10-31 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:35:26 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: >What Gentoo email list is best for Mac Mini questions? Is that the > gentoo-ppc list or something else? Questions specific to PPC hardware go to gentoo-ppc, CPU-independent questions belong here. gentoo-ppc is very quiet. -- Neil Both

Re: [gentoo-user] Weird pauses making me nuts

2005-10-31 Thread Holly Bostick
Robert Svoboda schreef: > * Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-10-31 18:50]: > >> Hey, all, > > > Hi, > > [...] > > >> Since all the problems seem to be related to the X server, maybe >> it's an X problem; > > > So have you tried it without X running? > Not yet; can't kill X without

Re: [gentoo-user] initial startup time of programs like emerge

2005-10-31 Thread Thomas T. Veldhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have 4 gentoo systems. Three are 1-3 years old, the fourth has just been rebooted for the first time after installing gento 2005.1 on it. When I reboot any of the older three computers and simply type emerge it takes 14 to 20 seconds before I get a message

[gentoo-user] Apple external booting (WAS: What list for Mac Mini?)

2005-10-31 Thread Mark Knecht
On 10/31/05, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:35:26 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > > >What Gentoo email list is best for Mac Mini questions? Is that the > > gentoo-ppc list or something else? > > Questions specific to PPC hardware go to gentoo-ppc, CPU-independent

[gentoo-user] Optimal time to 'emerge world'?

2005-10-31 Thread gentuxx
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just wondering if there was an "optimal" time to update one's system. Meaning, is there a global/bulk "cvs commit" done once a day, that we should wait for? Especially concerned about security patches - can we *safely* assume that if the GLSA is out, t

Re: [gentoo-user] Apple external booting (WAS: What list for Mac Mini?)

2005-10-31 Thread Mike Williams
On Monday 31 October 2005 22:02, Mark Knecht wrote: >    My question is whether I can put Gentoo on the external drive and > get Apple's Open Firmware to boot Gentoo. I do not really want to put > Gentoo on the internal drive, at least right now. I'd love to be able > to use an external drive to bo

Re: [gentoo-user] Optimal time to 'emerge world'?

2005-10-31 Thread Mike Williams
On Monday 31 October 2005 22:07, gentuxx wrote: > Just wondering if there was an "optimal" time to update one's system. > Meaning, is there a global/bulk "cvs commit" done once a day, that we > should wait for? Especially concerned about security patches - can we > *safely* assume that if the GLS

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: top quotes, html mail, and binary jokes

2005-10-31 Thread Antoine
And while I'm being talkative I'd like to second what Holly and a few others have hinted at. Command of language is essential. As someone who stumbled into the admin/network business nine years ago I can say that my writing and language skills, specifically the lack of either, did far mo

[gentoo-user] Kernel Version

2005-10-31 Thread karlos
hi,  I have found that, even after various attempts, I can not make my system use the new kernel I have just compiled. I proceeded in the following order: first: emerge gentoo-sources then: cd /usr/src ls linux  linux-2.6.13-gentoo-r5 ln -sf linux-2.6.13-gentoo-r5 linux then: make menuconfig an

Re: [gentoo-user] Apple external booting (WAS: What list for Mac Mini?)

2005-10-31 Thread Mark Knecht
On 10/31/05, Mike Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 31 October 2005 22:02, Mark Knecht wrote: > > My question is whether I can put Gentoo on the external drive and > > get Apple's Open Firmware to boot Gentoo. I do not really want to put > > Gentoo on the internal drive, at least righ

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Version

2005-10-31 Thread Mike Williams
On Monday 31 October 2005 22:41, karlos wrote: > then change /etc/lilo.conf to the new(and only) kernel You didn't re-run lilo. -- Mike Williams -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Version

2005-10-31 Thread Michael Kjorling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2005-10-31 22:41 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > make && make modules_install > > then change /etc/lilo.conf to the new(and only) kernel You need to copy the new bzImage (arch/*/boot/bzImage) into place, and re-run lilo for the changes to take e

Re: [gentoo-user] Apple external booting (WAS: What list for Mac Mini?)

2005-10-31 Thread Mike Williams
On Monday 31 October 2005 22:41, Mark Knecht wrote: > So I'm game to give it a try. You say I need to hold c when I power on > to get it to see the Gentoo PPC install disk? > yaboot is the Apple boot loader? Like grub? (I'm a total Apple newbie) yaboot is the linux ppc bootloader, more akin to li

Re: [gentoo-user] Apple external booting (WAS: What list for Mac Mini?)

2005-10-31 Thread Mark Knecht
On 10/31/05, Mike Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 31 October 2005 22:41, Mark Knecht wrote: > > So I'm game to give it a try. You say I need to hold c when I power on > > to get it to see the Gentoo PPC install disk? > > > yaboot is the Apple boot loader? Like grub? (I'm a total App

Re: [gentoo-user] ext3: 10% non-contiguous

2005-10-31 Thread Benno Schulenberg
Rafael Fernández López wrote: > ~ (more or less) the 10% of the filesystem is > non-contiguous. I suppose that the problem is that I've saved and > then deleted some files really big, and there's a hole. > > Well, I'd like to recover those holes (that 10% of the disk) There are no holes, the

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Version

2005-10-31 Thread david
Did you mount /boot -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Version

2005-10-31 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:41:50 +, karlos wrote: > I have found that, even after various attempts, I can not make my > system use the new kernel I have just compiled. > I proceeded in the following order: > > first: > emerge gentoo-sources > > then: > cd /usr/src > ls > linux linux-2.6.13-gento

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Version

2005-10-31 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Monday 31 October 2005 23:41, karlos wrote: > hi, > > I have found that, even after various attempts, I can not make my system > use the new kernel I have just compiled. > I proceeded in the following order: > > first: > emerge gentoo-sources > > then: > cd /usr/src > ls > linux linux-2.6.13-gen

Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel Version

2005-10-31 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Monday 31 October 2005 23:53, Michael Kjorling wrote: > On 2005-10-31 22:41 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > make && make modules_install > > > > then change /etc/lilo.conf to the new(and only) kernel > > You need to copy the new bzImage (arch/*/boot/bzImage) into place, and > re-run lilo for

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: top quotes, html mail, and binary jokes

2005-10-31 Thread Holly Bostick
Antoine schreef: >> >> Indeed, life is harder for those of us who don't have English as >> first language. >> >>> kashani, still trying to get his German, Spanish, and Farsi up to >>> speed > > Can you imagine how hard it is to learn another language when > everyone wants to speak English to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Hylafax & e-mail

2005-10-31 Thread Mark
yes, I looked at them. The question wasn't really how-to as much as to get some real world feedback. Wikis while usually helpful tend to be full of errors IMHO. Thanks, MarkOn 10/31/05, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mark gmail.com> writes:> Has anyone set up a Hylafax server along with a mail s

Re: [gentoo-user] Optimal time to 'emerge world'?

2005-10-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:07:30 -0800 gentuxx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Just wondering if there was an "optimal" time to update one's system. | Meaning, is there a global/bulk "cvs commit" done once a day, that we | should wait for? Especially concerned about security patches - can we | *safely* as

Re: [gentoo-user] LTSP vs. Diskless Nodes

2005-10-31 Thread Bob Sanders
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:55:24 +0200 Uwe Thiem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One of the big problems with Linux diskless is it really doesn't scale > > well, it doesn't allow for clients to run multiple versions of the os, > > Why would you want to do that? > Ah! Not everyone would. But ther

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Dale
Holly, Well, I do have that little box checked and it displays Subject, From, Reply to, Date and To. I just didn't look. I'm really bad at names, I may have mentioned this before. I remember Holly because I know this really nice girl named Holly that lives over hear that I meet. She was a real

Re: [gentoo-user] ext3: 10% non-contiguous

2005-10-31 Thread Dale
Rafael Fernández López wrote: >Hi, > >Well, I'd like to recover those holes (that 10% of the disk) and how to >do it, because I've tried with e2fsck with different options and read >"man e2fsck" with no possitive results. > >Thanks, >Rafael Fernández López. > > > There was a guru on the forums t

Re: [gentoo-user] Weird pauses making me nuts

2005-10-31 Thread Bob Sanders
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:31:33 +0100 Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What else could I do alongside it, other than running an emerge or > something? > You could switch to a non-proprietary gfx driver, and try that, though it might not work with the ATI card you have. Try emerging app-b

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Denis
Why go through all this trouble trying to learn how to set up Mozilla mail? What's the benefit? I have been using YahooMail and GMail quite happily, where you have an easy, no-frills, light-weight interface, where you can customize exactly how you want to compose your response and arrange quotes

Re: [gentoo-user] Weird pauses making me nuts

2005-10-31 Thread Richard Fish
Holly Bostick wrote: Hey, all, Sorry that this will not be an extremely clear question, but I really have no idea where to start, or what the problem is. Basically, my system is running "fine" (no overt problems), but about every 30 seconds or so, it 'pauses' to do something, and I have to wai

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Quoting styles

2005-10-31 Thread Dale
Denis wrote: >Why go through all this trouble trying to learn how to set up Mozilla >mail? What's the benefit? I have been using YahooMail and GMail >quite happily, where you have an easy, no-frills, light-weight >interface, where you can customize exactly how you want to compose >your response

Re: [gentoo-user] Weird pauses making me nuts

2005-10-31 Thread Iain Buchanan
Hi, sorry about the late reply, but I didn't see the OP Holly Bostick wrote: > Sorry that this will not be an extremely clear question, but I really > have no idea where to start, or what the problem is. that will just bring you in line with some of my questions :) > Basically, my system is run

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