[geo] Re: runaway climate change

2009-02-01 Thread Tom Wigley
Andrew, Poor analogy. running does not equal running away. More importantly, just because a term has been misused in the past does not mean we should perpetuate its misuse (or use). If the word is to be used at all (and, as a practicing scientist, I never have or will), one should start off by s

[geo] Re: runaway climate change

2009-02-01 Thread Andrew Lockley
For better or worse, the term is now in general use in scientific, industrial, environmental and general media. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_climate_change for refs.) I don't agree with Tom about 'to infinity and beyond'. I run as a hobby, and I've never run to infinity (or beyond)

[geo] Re: runaway climate change

2009-02-01 Thread wigley
Dear All, I've said this before, but here goes again. If one sticks to dictionary definitions of words (which I think is wise) then there is no such thing as "runaway" climate change. Strictly, using the words of Buzz Lightyear, "runaway" must mean "to infinity and beyond". Further, the word "r

[geo] Re: Groundwater engineering?

2009-02-01 Thread Andrew Lockley
A very interesting idea. Some random thoughts: 1) Geoeng proposals often involve carbonate rock. Should we be looking at these too? 2) A lot of aquifers are depleted due to pumping. Does anyone know the effect on the carbon cycle? 3) Freeze-thaw cycling is responsible for a lot of surface wea

[geo] Re: runaway climate change

2009-02-01 Thread John Nissen
Andrew, 1. I think the concept of runaway climate change is kosher. See this quote from http://www.meridian.org.uk/_PDFs/FeedbackDynamics.pdf "The possibility of a tipping point in the earth system as a whole which prevents the recovery of stable equilibrium and leads to a process of runaw

[geo] Groundwater engineering?

2009-02-01 Thread dsw_s
Just another brainstormy (i.e. no idea whether it's any good) idea: in the long run, what takes CO2 out of the atmosphere is weathering of silicate rock to produce carbonate that winds up in sediment. I think that in many areas the soil and subsoil (where groundwater percolates) are fairly comple

[geo] Black Pickle concept and the "Great Restoration"

2009-02-01 Thread Andrew Revkin
All roads lead to Jesse Ausubel at Rockefeller University, who mentioned IIASA explored something related to this a long time ago. I did some googling but couldn't find more. I'll send a query to Jesse and see what turns up. At 8:07 PM -0800 1/31/09, Ning Zeng wrote: >Hello Andy: >Thanks for t

[geo] runaway climate change

2009-02-01 Thread Andrew Lockley
I'm working on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_climate_change and there are a few crucial questions I could do with help on: 1) Is the term 'Runaway climate change' seen as kosher, or is it purely a pop-science concept? 2) How widespread is support for the idea of an ice-albedo followed by