Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-06-01 Thread via GitHub


pitrou merged PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947


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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-20 Thread via GitHub


alamb commented on code in PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947#discussion_r3277378917


##
docs/source/format/Columnar.rst:
##
@@ -1333,22 +1334,21 @@ The flattened version of this is: ::
 For the buffers produced, we would have the following (refer to the
 table above): ::
 
-buffer 0: field 0 validity
-buffer 1: field 1 validity
-buffer 2: field 1 values
-buffer 3: field 2 validity
-buffer 4: field 2 offsets
-buffer 5: field 3 validity
-buffer 6: field 3 values
-buffer 7: field 4 validity
-buffer 8: field 4 values
-buffer 9: field 5 validity
-buffer 10: field 5 offsets
-buffer 11: field 5 data
-
-The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a
-piece of memory. Generally these are interpreted relative to the
-**encapsulated message format** defined below.
+buffer 0: field 0 ('col1') validity

Review Comment:
   this is much nicer



##
docs/source/format/Columnar.rst:
##
@@ -1502,9 +1502,14 @@ message flatbuffer is read, you can then read the 
message body.
 
 The stream writer can signal end-of-stream (EOS) either by writing 8 bytes
 containing the 4-byte continuation indicator (``0x``) followed by 0
-metadata length (``0x``) or closing the stream interface. We
-recommend the ".arrows" file extension for the streaming format although
-in many cases these streams will not ever be stored as files.
+metadata length (``0x``) or closing the stream interface.
+
+File extension and MIME type
+
+
+IPC Streams are not always stored as files, but when they are, we recommend

Review Comment:
   nit; I don't think they are commonly stored as files (the file format is 
more often)
   
   ```suggestion
   IPC Streams are not typically stored as files, but when they are, we 
recommend
   ```



##
docs/source/format/Columnar.rst:
##
@@ -1333,22 +1334,21 @@ The flattened version of this is: ::
 For the buffers produced, we would have the following (refer to the
 table above): ::
 
-buffer 0: field 0 validity
-buffer 1: field 1 validity
-buffer 2: field 1 values
-buffer 3: field 2 validity
-buffer 4: field 2 offsets
-buffer 5: field 3 validity
-buffer 6: field 3 values
-buffer 7: field 4 validity
-buffer 8: field 4 values
-buffer 9: field 5 validity
-buffer 10: field 5 offsets
-buffer 11: field 5 data
-
-The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a
-piece of memory. Generally these are interpreted relative to the
-**encapsulated message format** defined below.
+buffer 0: field 0 ('col1') validity
+buffer 1: field 1 ('col1.a') validity
+buffer 2: field 1 ('col1.a') values
+buffer 3: field 2 ('col1.b') validity
+buffer 4: field 2 ('col1.b') offsets
+buffer 5: field 3 ('col1.b.item') validity
+buffer 6: field 3 ('col1.b.item') values
+buffer 7: field 4 ('col1.c') validity
+buffer 8: field 4 ('col1.c') values
+buffer 9: field 5 ('col2') validity
+buffer 10: field 5 ('col2') offsets
+buffer 11: field 5 ('col2') data
+
+The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a buffer's
+data, relatively to the start of the RecordBatch message's body.

Review Comment:
   ```suggestion
   The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a 
buffer's
   data, relative to the start of the RecordBatch message's body.
   ```



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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-18 Thread via GitHub


CurtHagenlocher commented on code in PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947#discussion_r3259905351


##
docs/source/format/Columnar.rst:
##
@@ -1333,22 +1334,21 @@ The flattened version of this is: ::
 For the buffers produced, we would have the following (refer to the
 table above): ::
 
-buffer 0: field 0 validity
-buffer 1: field 1 validity
-buffer 2: field 1 values
-buffer 3: field 2 validity
-buffer 4: field 2 offsets
-buffer 5: field 3 validity
-buffer 6: field 3 values
-buffer 7: field 4 validity
-buffer 8: field 4 values
-buffer 9: field 5 validity
-buffer 10: field 5 offsets
-buffer 11: field 5 data
-
-The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a
-piece of memory. Generally these are interpreted relative to the
-**encapsulated message format** defined below.
+buffer 0: field 0 ('col1') validity
+buffer 1: field 1 ('col1.a') validity
+buffer 2: field 1 ('col1.a') values
+buffer 3: field 2 ('col1.b') validity
+buffer 4: field 2 ('col1.b') offsets
+buffer 5: field 3 ('col1.b.item') validity
+buffer 6: field 3 ('col1.b.item') values
+buffer 7: field 4 ('col1.c') validity
+buffer 8: field 4 ('col1.c') values
+buffer 9: field 5 ('col2') validity
+buffer 10: field 5 ('col2') offsets
+buffer 11: field 5 ('col2') data
+
+The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a buffer's
+data, relatively to the start of the RecordBatch message's body.

Review Comment:
   nit: `relative` instead of `relatively`



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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-13 Thread via GitHub


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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-13 Thread via GitHub


pitrou commented on PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947#issuecomment-4438523503

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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-13 Thread via GitHub


pitrou commented on PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947#issuecomment-4438509997

   Also @joellubi 


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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-13 Thread via GitHub


pitrou commented on code in PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947#discussion_r3232343419


##
docs/source/format/Columnar.rst:
##
@@ -1333,22 +1334,21 @@ The flattened version of this is: ::
 For the buffers produced, we would have the following (refer to the
 table above): ::
 
-buffer 0: field 0 validity
-buffer 1: field 1 validity
-buffer 2: field 1 values
-buffer 3: field 2 validity
-buffer 4: field 2 offsets
-buffer 5: field 3 validity
-buffer 6: field 3 values
-buffer 7: field 4 validity
-buffer 8: field 4 values
-buffer 9: field 5 validity
-buffer 10: field 5 offsets
-buffer 11: field 5 data
-
-The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a
-piece of memory. Generally these are interpreted relative to the
-**encapsulated message format** defined below.
+buffer 0: field 0 ('col1') validity
+buffer 1: field 1 ('col1.a') validity
+buffer 2: field 1 ('col1.a') values
+buffer 3: field 2 ('col1.b') validity
+buffer 4: field 2 ('col1.b') offsets
+buffer 5: field 3 ('col1.b.item') validity
+buffer 6: field 3 ('col1.b.item') values
+buffer 7: field 4 ('col1.c') validity
+buffer 8: field 4 ('col1.c') values
+buffer 9: field 5 ('col2') validity
+buffer 10: field 5 ('col2') offsets
+buffer 11: field 5 ('col2') data
+
+The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a buffer's
+data, relatively to the start of the RecordBatch message's body.

Review Comment:
   I will try to find a wording that's more generic while still stating the 
dominant usage.



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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-13 Thread via GitHub


pitrou commented on PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947#issuecomment-4438450172

   I've reworded the equivalence section to also mention the Schema and custom 
metadata in the IPC file footer.
   
   Again @alamb @tustvold @CurtHagenlocher @zeroshade @jbonofre @lidavidm do 
you want to take a look? This is a (minor) spec update, I would rather find 
consensus on this.


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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-11 Thread via GitHub


paleolimbot commented on code in PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947#discussion_r3219447363


##
docs/source/format/Columnar.rst:
##
@@ -1333,22 +1334,21 @@ The flattened version of this is: ::
 For the buffers produced, we would have the following (refer to the
 table above): ::
 
-buffer 0: field 0 validity
-buffer 1: field 1 validity
-buffer 2: field 1 values
-buffer 3: field 2 validity
-buffer 4: field 2 offsets
-buffer 5: field 3 validity
-buffer 6: field 3 values
-buffer 7: field 4 validity
-buffer 8: field 4 values
-buffer 9: field 5 validity
-buffer 10: field 5 offsets
-buffer 11: field 5 data
-
-The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a
-piece of memory. Generally these are interpreted relative to the
-**encapsulated message format** defined below.
+buffer 0: field 0 ('col1') validity
+buffer 1: field 1 ('col1.a') validity
+buffer 2: field 1 ('col1.a') values
+buffer 3: field 2 ('col1.b') validity
+buffer 4: field 2 ('col1.b') offsets
+buffer 5: field 3 ('col1.b.item') validity
+buffer 6: field 3 ('col1.b.item') values
+buffer 7: field 4 ('col1.c') validity
+buffer 8: field 4 ('col1.c') values
+buffer 9: field 5 ('col2') validity
+buffer 10: field 5 ('col2') offsets
+buffer 11: field 5 ('col2') data
+
+The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a buffer's
+data, relatively to the start of the RecordBatch message's body.

Review Comment:
   I don't mind either way, I was just reminded of it when Ben was working on 
the nanoarrow IPC writer. Will RST let you make a footnote?



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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-11 Thread via GitHub


paleolimbot commented on code in PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947#discussion_r3219434036


##
docs/source/format/Columnar.rst:
##
@@ -1524,21 +1529,46 @@ Schematically we have: ::
 
 
 
-
+
 
 
-In the file format, there is no requirement that dictionary keys
-should be defined in a ``DictionaryBatch`` before they are used in a
-``RecordBatch``, as long as the keys are defined somewhere in the
-file. Further more, it is invalid to have more than one **non-delta**
-dictionary batch per dictionary ID (i.e. dictionary replacement is not
-supported). Delta dictionaries are applied in the order they appear in
-the file footer. We recommend the ".arrow" extension for files created with
-this format. Note that files created with this format are sometimes called
-"Feather V2" or with the ".feather" extension, the name and the extension
-derived from "Feather (V1)", which was a proof of concept early in
-the Arrow project for language-agnostic fast data frame storage for
-Python (pandas) and R.
+Equivalence with the IPC Streaming Format
+~
+
+While it is theoretically possible for the IPC File footer to list RecordBatch
+messages in a differing order from the embedded IPC Stream's sequential order
+(or even to repeat or omit some of the IPC Stream's RecordBatch messages),
+compliant writers SHOULD arrange the IPC File footer so that an IPC File can be
+read using an IPC Stream reader with equivalent results.

Review Comment:
   That's what I was thinking of (but no need to deal with this now 🙂 )



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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-11 Thread via GitHub


pitrou commented on PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947#issuecomment-4418697038

   @alamb @tustvold @CurtHagenlocher @zeroshade @jbonofre 


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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-11 Thread via GitHub


pitrou commented on code in PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947#discussion_r3217064222


##
docs/source/format/Columnar.rst:
##
@@ -1333,22 +1334,21 @@ The flattened version of this is: ::
 For the buffers produced, we would have the following (refer to the
 table above): ::
 
-buffer 0: field 0 validity
-buffer 1: field 1 validity
-buffer 2: field 1 values
-buffer 3: field 2 validity
-buffer 4: field 2 offsets
-buffer 5: field 3 validity
-buffer 6: field 3 values
-buffer 7: field 4 validity
-buffer 8: field 4 values
-buffer 9: field 5 validity
-buffer 10: field 5 offsets
-buffer 11: field 5 data
-
-The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a
-piece of memory. Generally these are interpreted relative to the
-**encapsulated message format** defined below.
+buffer 0: field 0 ('col1') validity
+buffer 1: field 1 ('col1.a') validity
+buffer 2: field 1 ('col1.a') values
+buffer 3: field 2 ('col1.b') validity
+buffer 4: field 2 ('col1.b') offsets
+buffer 5: field 3 ('col1.b.item') validity
+buffer 6: field 3 ('col1.b.item') values
+buffer 7: field 4 ('col1.c') validity
+buffer 8: field 4 ('col1.c') values
+buffer 9: field 5 ('col2') validity
+buffer 10: field 5 ('col2') offsets
+buffer 11: field 5 ('col2') data
+
+The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a buffer's
+data, relatively to the start of the RecordBatch message's body.

Review Comment:
   Hmm, the question is then whether this section of the doc describes the IPC 
protocol in a narrow sense, or whether it applies to any variation over it such 
as the Dissociated IPC protocol.
   
   For readability I think it's better if it describes the concrete IPC 
protocol as commonly implemented. What do you think?



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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-11 Thread via GitHub


pitrou commented on code in PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947#discussion_r3217000944


##
docs/source/format/Columnar.rst:
##
@@ -1524,21 +1529,46 @@ Schematically we have: ::
 
 
 
-
+
 
 
-In the file format, there is no requirement that dictionary keys
-should be defined in a ``DictionaryBatch`` before they are used in a
-``RecordBatch``, as long as the keys are defined somewhere in the
-file. Further more, it is invalid to have more than one **non-delta**
-dictionary batch per dictionary ID (i.e. dictionary replacement is not
-supported). Delta dictionaries are applied in the order they appear in
-the file footer. We recommend the ".arrow" extension for files created with
-this format. Note that files created with this format are sometimes called
-"Feather V2" or with the ".feather" extension, the name and the extension
-derived from "Feather (V1)", which was a proof of concept early in
-the Arrow project for language-agnostic fast data frame storage for
-Python (pandas) and R.
+Equivalence with the IPC Streaming Format
+~
+
+While it is theoretically possible for the IPC File footer to list RecordBatch
+messages in a differing order from the embedded IPC Stream's sequential order
+(or even to repeat or omit some of the IPC Stream's RecordBatch messages),
+compliant writers SHOULD arrange the IPC File footer so that an IPC File can be
+read using an IPC Stream reader with equivalent results.

Review Comment:
   What do you call the features section? Is it 
https://github.com/apache/arrow/blob/a0d2885b101acb439f7f79ec2237028974e74e64/format/Schema.fbs#L71-L81?
 I don't think anyone is reading this table currently.



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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-07 Thread via GitHub


paleolimbot commented on code in PR #49947:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/49947#discussion_r3203473469


##
docs/source/format/Columnar.rst:
##
@@ -1333,22 +1334,21 @@ The flattened version of this is: ::
 For the buffers produced, we would have the following (refer to the
 table above): ::
 
-buffer 0: field 0 validity
-buffer 1: field 1 validity
-buffer 2: field 1 values
-buffer 3: field 2 validity
-buffer 4: field 2 offsets
-buffer 5: field 3 validity
-buffer 6: field 3 values
-buffer 7: field 4 validity
-buffer 8: field 4 values
-buffer 9: field 5 validity
-buffer 10: field 5 offsets
-buffer 11: field 5 data
-
-The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a
-piece of memory. Generally these are interpreted relative to the
-**encapsulated message format** defined below.
+buffer 0: field 0 ('col1') validity
+buffer 1: field 1 ('col1.a') validity
+buffer 2: field 1 ('col1.a') values
+buffer 3: field 2 ('col1.b') validity
+buffer 4: field 2 ('col1.b') offsets
+buffer 5: field 3 ('col1.b.item') validity
+buffer 6: field 3 ('col1.b.item') values
+buffer 7: field 4 ('col1.c') validity
+buffer 8: field 4 ('col1.c') values
+buffer 9: field 5 ('col2') validity
+buffer 10: field 5 ('col2') offsets
+buffer 11: field 5 ('col2') data
+
+The ``Buffer`` Flatbuffers value describes the location and size of a buffer's
+data, relatively to the start of the RecordBatch message's body.

Review Comment:
   I believe the offsets can be global in the dissociated IPC protocol 
(metadata and bodies sent on separate streams), although I forget if that was 
ever actually implemented anywhere.



##
docs/source/format/Columnar.rst:
##
@@ -1524,21 +1529,46 @@ Schematically we have: ::
 
 
 
-
+
 
 
-In the file format, there is no requirement that dictionary keys
-should be defined in a ``DictionaryBatch`` before they are used in a
-``RecordBatch``, as long as the keys are defined somewhere in the
-file. Further more, it is invalid to have more than one **non-delta**
-dictionary batch per dictionary ID (i.e. dictionary replacement is not
-supported). Delta dictionaries are applied in the order they appear in
-the file footer. We recommend the ".arrow" extension for files created with
-this format. Note that files created with this format are sometimes called
-"Feather V2" or with the ".feather" extension, the name and the extension
-derived from "Feather (V1)", which was a proof of concept early in
-the Arrow project for language-agnostic fast data frame storage for
-Python (pandas) and R.
+Equivalence with the IPC Streaming Format
+~
+
+While it is theoretically possible for the IPC File footer to list RecordBatch
+messages in a differing order from the embedded IPC Stream's sequential order
+(or even to repeat or omit some of the IPC Stream's RecordBatch messages),
+compliant writers SHOULD arrange the IPC File footer so that an IPC File can be
+read using an IPC Stream reader with equivalent results.

Review Comment:
   It may be nice at some point to indicate in the "features" section of a 
flatbuffers Schema that the stream can definitely be read as an IPC stream 
(i.e., doesn't differ between what one would get from reading using the blocks 
in the footer). The fact that nanoarrow does this blindly is not great and I'll 
fix it, but it is a cool feature that you can do full scans without random 
access in most cases.



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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-07 Thread via GitHub


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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

2026-05-07 Thread via GitHub


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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

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Re: [PR] GH-49946: [Format] Better document equivalence between IPC file and streams [arrow]

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