Hi folks,
Does anyone know what the actual licensing is of papers published under the
IEEE's "Open Access Fee" Gold OA scheme? It's really not at all clear from
browsing IEEE Xplore.
Context: I ask because we're currently re-evaluating our list of target
journals in preparation for REF, and o
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote:
On Sat, May 12, 2012, Alicia Wise (Elsevier Director of Universal
Access) Â wrote:
It will be very helpful in helping researchers to provide -- and their
institutions and funders to mandate -- Open Access if Elsevier drops
its "y
I object to the notion of sustainable applied to publications for two
reasons :
1. Scientific research is unsustainable and has been so since at least
the 17th century.
2. Peer-reviewing research results and making resulting version
available to all interested is an integral part of the research
I object to the notion of sustainable applied to publications for two reasons :
1. Scientific research is unsustainable and has been so since at least the 17th
century.
2. Peer-reviewing research results and making resulting version available to all
interested is an integral part of the research
Hi all,
I agree that we are mixing up several issues/objectives, and helpfully Keith
has identified some of these. I can think of a few others and I suspect there
are more strands in this knot which others will hopefully identify.
* we are probably conflating needs/practices in different disc
On Sat, May 12, 2012, Alicia Wise (Elsevier Director of Universal
Access) wrote:
> I agree that we are mixing up several issues/objectives, and helpfully Keith
> has identified some of these. Â I can think of a few others and I suspect
> there are more strands in this knot which others will hop
On 12 May 2012, at 15:37, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
> This is a very good summary - as a;ways RP gets to the essence with clarity.
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Richard Poynder > wrote:
>
>> List members will doubtless correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me
>> that the nub of this i
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote:
For my part I will continue my narrow focus on the goal of getting
OA (sic) universally provided. It had been my (foolish) fancy that
that was GOAL's goal too!
I am quite happy for the list members, guided by the moderato
This is a very good summary - as a;ways RP gets to the essence with clarity.
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Richard Poynder
wrote:
List members will doubtless correct me if I am wrong, but it seems
to me that the nub of this issue is that Peter Murray-Rust believes
that when a
Peter
Â
To what extent does âfair-useâ over-ride the publisher wishes? It seems to
me
that the Australian copyright act is quite clear about using copyright material
for criticism, legal purposes, extracting data, etc, but I am not an expert in
UK law.
Â
Lawyers could have a good argume
All -
I have been following the several threads of argument with interest. As I see
it recent postings on this list are mixing up several issues/objectives,
confusions, mechanisms for access and utilisation and mechanisms to achieve any
kind of OA.
Issues and Objectives
[snip]
Thought experiment: what if authors posted to their personal sites, but with
enough metadata (e.g. http://schema.org/ScholarlyArticle) for generic (rather
than topical/institutional) search engine discovery to be feasible?
Dan
(hatless)
___
G
The discussion is a (very) nice case of procrastination  on the part of the
publisher, similar to what some of us have already experienced. A clause
allowing full data mining should be a systematic component of any subscription
agreement, in particular in the case of big deals or national license
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote:
> On Sat, May 12, 2012, Alicia Wise (Elsevier Director of Universal
> Access) wrote:
>
> It will be very helpful in helping researchers to provide -- and their
> institutions and funders to mandate -- Open Access if Elsevier drops
> its "you
Dear All,
I fear a personal message may have been mistakenly posted to the mailing
list. Apologies to all concerned.
Richard Poynder
GOAL Moderator
On 12/05/2012 13:22, Rzepa Henry wrote:
> Peter,
>
> As a seasoned traveller, you probably have your favourite guest house in
> Philadelphia!
List members will doubtless correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that
the nub of this issue is that Peter Murray-Rust believes that when a research
library pays a subscription for a scholarly journal (or a collection of
journals) the subscription should give researchers at that institution
On Sat, May 12, 2012, Alicia Wise (Elsevier Director of Universal
Access) wrote:
> I agree that we are mixing up several issues/objectives, and helpfully Keith
> has identified some of these. I can think of a few others and I suspect
> there are more strands in this knot which others will hope
On 2012-05-12, at 8:20 AM, Richard Poynder wrote:
> List members will doubtless correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that
> the nub of this issue is that Peter Murray-Rust believes that when a research
> library pays a subscription for a scholarly journal (or a collection of
> journals)
Hi all,
I agree that we are mixing up several issues/objectives, and helpfully Keith
has identified some of these. I can think of a few others and I suspect there
are more strands in this knot which others will hopefully identify.
* we are probably conflating needs/practices in different disc
[Note that as this is a moderated list my replies may not appear immediately -
this may give the impression that I am ignoring mails when I am not].
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF)
wrote:
Hi Peter,
Â
Thanks for this. Iâve communicated that we are
On 2012-05-12, at 8:42 AM, Dan Brickley wrote:
> Thought experiment: what if authors posted to their personal sites, but with
> enough metadata (e.g. http://schema.org/ScholarlyArticle) for generic (rather
> than topical/institutional) search engine discovery to be feasible?
1. If 100% of autho
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Arthur Sale wrote:
Peter
Â
To what extent does âfair-useâ over-ride the publisher wishes?
Inhttp://www.centerforsocialmedia.org/blog/fair-use/lessig-fair-use-and-open-vide
o-alliance Lessig reiterates "fair use if the right to call a l
Hi Peter,
Â
Thanks for this. Iâve communicated that we are happy in principle for you to
mine our content, and there are only some practical issues to resolve. We have
successfully concluded the technical discussion, and I believe you, your
colleagues, and my technical colleagues are all
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote:
> For my part I will continue my narrow focus on the goal of getting OA
> (sic) universally provided. It had been my (foolish) fancy that that was
> GOAL's goal too!
>
>
I am quite happy for the list members, guided by the moderator, to decide
All -
I have been following the several threads of argument with interest. As I see
it recent postings on this list are mixing up several issues/objectives,
confusions, mechanisms for access and utilisation and mechanisms to achieve any
kind of OA.
Issues and Objectives
On 12 May 2012, at 15:37, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
> This is a very good summary - as a;ways RP gets to the essence with clarity.
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Richard Poynder > wrote:
>
>> List members will doubtless correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me
>> that the nub of this i
Alicia,
Just a simple question: under what conditions Elsevier would be willing to
change the business modell from subscriptions to OA?
All the best,
Falk
Von: goal-boun...@eprints.org [goal-boun...@eprints.org]" im Auftrag von "Wise,
Alicia (ELS-OXF) [
This is a very good summary - as a;ways RP gets to the essence with clarity.
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Richard Poynder wrote:
> List members will doubtless correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me
> that the nub of this issue is that Peter Murray-Rust believes that when a
> research
On 2012-05-11, at 6:47 PM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
Alicia Wise already knows my reply - she has had enough email from
me. The publishers should withdraw contractual restrictions on
content-mining. That's all they need to do.
If Alicia Wise can say "yes" to me unreservedly
On 2012-05-12, at 8:20 AM, Richard Poynder wrote:
> List members will doubtless correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that
> the nub of this issue is that Peter Murray-Rust believes that when a research
> library pays a subscription for a scholarly journal (or a collection of
> journals)
On 2012-05-12, at 8:42 AM, Dan Brickley wrote:
> Thought experiment: what if authors posted to their personal sites, but with
> enough metadata (e.g. http://schema.org/ScholarlyArticle) for generic (rather
> than topical/institutional) search engine discovery to be feasible?
1. If 100% of autho
Dear All,
I fear a personal message may have been mistakenly posted to the mailing
list. Apologies to all concerned.
Richard Poynder
GOAL Moderator
On 12/05/2012 13:22, Rzepa Henry wrote:
> Peter,
>
> As a seasoned traveller, you probably have your favourite guest house in
> Philadelphia!
The discussion is a (very) nice case of procrastination on the part of the
publisher, similar to what some of us have already experienced. A clause
allowing full data mining should be a systematic component of any subscription
agreement, in particular in the case of big deals or national licens
[snip]
Thought experiment: what if authors posted to their personal sites, but with
enough metadata (e.g. http://schema.org/ScholarlyArticle) for generic (rather
than topical/institutional) search engine discovery to be feasible?
Dan
(hatless)
___
G
Peter,
As a seasoned traveller, you probably have your favourite guest house in
Philadelphia! ACS registration opened yesterday, and from past experience the
cheaper (= good value) hotels tend to book out fast.
I went through the official ACS hotels; the average is ~$220 + TAX, probably
n
List members will doubtless correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me
that the nub of this issue is that Peter Murray-Rust believes that when
a research library pays a subscription for a scholarly journal (or a
collection of journals) the subscription should give researchers at that
institut
On 2012-05-11, at 6:47 PM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
> Alicia Wise already knows my reply - she has had enough email from me. The
> publishers should withdraw contractual restrictions on content-mining. That's
> all they need to do.
>
> If Alicia Wise can say "yes" to me unreservedly, I'll be ha
[Note that as this is a moderated list my replies may not appear
immediately - this may give the impression that I am ignoring mails when I
am not].
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF) wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for this. I’ve communicated that we are happy
Alicia,
Just a simple question: under what conditions Elsevier would be willing to
change the business modell from subscriptions to OA?
All the best,
Falk
Von: goal-boun...@eprints.org [goal-boun...@eprints.org]" im Auftrag von "Wise,
Alicia (ELS-OXF) [
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Arthur Sale wrote:
> Peter
>
> ** **
>
> To what extent does “fair-use” over-ride the publisher wishes?
>
In
http://www.centerforsocialmedia.org/blog/fair-use/lessig-fair-use-and-open-video-allianceLessig
reiterates "fair use if the right to call a lawyer". E
Hi Peter,
Thanks for this. I've communicated that we are happy in principle for
you to mine our content, and there are only some practical issues to
resolve. We have successfully concluded the technical discussion, and I
believe you, your colleagues, and my technical colleagues are all happy
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