Re: New look to Mail Archive message pages
An annoyance with the latest design is that hyperlinks to move to the next thread message are never in the same place. In the previous design, a message could be read and the key 'end' used to navigate to the end of the page. After moving the mouse the the hyperlink for the next message, never needed to move the mouse again! :) -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: New look to Mail Archive message pages
Okay, so here's a quick status update. There are have been suggestions about fonts. Font weight. Line spacing. Typeface. Line spacing is interesting, a big design goal was to make more information available with less scrolling. However, we've found several references that suggest 1.4 is good in terms of helping readability. There is probably some personal preference; for example I personally like Courier better than Monospace. We're going to let the current design ride for a few months then revisit. The left vs. center justification of the entire page seems similarly subjective. One thing that would make a difference - more quickly - is an extremely authoritative source. For example a paper by Donald Knuth explaining how and why some other line height is better. There have been users who like to read in date order who are disappointed that we dropped some of the navigation buttons. We continue thinking, but are not sure how to make them happy without increasing confusion for everyone else. The visited link color has been changed. That's all I have for feedback so far. We continue to find and work on small bugs, like certain pages not validating, or funny looking navigation buttons in several non-English languages. If you find more of these, that is also helpful. I don't have strong data for how happy people are overall, but guessing from tone of comments, I think it is overall positive so far. -Jeff -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: New look to Mail Archive message pages
Hi, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > Speaking of fonts: After reading a while in the archive I find the > line-spacing a little excessive - it is currently at 1.4 > > Personally I find 1.2 much more comfortable for longer posts. Deviating from the 1.2 norm also messes up glyphs that span lines, e.g. http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg04946.html Altering it back to 1.2 by editing body's font using the browser makse them butt up normally again. Cheers, Ralph. -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: New look to Mail Archive message pages
Hi Christian, > Speaking of fonts: After reading a while in the archive I find the > line-spacing a little excessive - it is currently at 1.4 > > Personally I find 1.2 much more comfortable for longer posts. Thanks for pointing that out; I've just changed to 1.2, which I think is this browser's default, and consider it easier to read. The blank line between paragraphs now stands for something again now that everything isn't spaced. Cheers, Ralph. -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: New look to Mail Archive message pages
Hi Jeff, *, On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Jeff Breidenbach wrote: > Thank you for the feedback, keep it coming. > > Interesting screenshots. By the way, my everyday platform is > also Ubuntu (10.04 and 12.04). So far I can't reproduce font > problems with courier. Speaking of fonts: After reading a while in the archive I find the line-spacing a little excessive - it is currently at 1.4 Personally I find 1.2 much more comfortable for longer posts. ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: New look to Mail Archive message pages
>What I dislike is that visited links are indistinguishable from non >visited ones. The difference in color just is way too little. I didn't notice this until you mentioned it. Now it is driving me crazy. Thank you for the feedback. -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: New look to Mail Archive message pages
Thank you for the feedback, keep it coming. Interesting screenshots. By the way, my everyday platform is also Ubuntu (10.04 and 12.04). So far I can't reproduce font problems with courier. As for the ordering of font-family, that's a good question. Let me check with graphic designer. -Jeff -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: New look to Mail Archive message pages
Hi Jeff, *, On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Jeff Marshall wrote: > [...] > We've been finding and fixing bugs with the new design the last few weeks > but please alert us to all the edge cases we've neglected to find ourselves! > > Feedback and bug reports are desired. I like the new design Also like that I don't have to do horizontal scrolling to read the posts, as I hate having my browser maximized (only have 1280x800 screen, but still my browser ~never is maximized horizontally) What I dislike is that visited links are indistinguishable from non visited ones. The difference in color just is way too little. ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: New look to Mail Archive message pages
Hi Jeff, > Can you share your browser + operating system including > version numbers? If it is not too hard, a screenshot of > a message page as well? Do you know what your browser > zoom level is set to? Browser is Firefox 11.0+build1-0ubuntu0.10.10.2 on Ubuntu 10.10. Using http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg04936.html PNG screenshot with browser maximised is http://derp.co.uk/52c55 That's with browser zoom zeroed. Shows the leftness of it. I got screenshots in a bunch of Firefox and Chrome browsers. http://browsershots.org/http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg04936.html They all seem OK, including Firefox 11. Looking back at my one, pre's font-family is `courier,"courier new",monospace' and it's `courier' that looks bad. Either of the other two are OK, `monospace' is particularly nice. Why are they in that order? I'd expect the unusual but best first, with the fallback font available everywhere, `courier', last? Cheers, Ralph. -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: New look to Mail Archive message pages
Ralph: Can you share your browser + operating system including version numbers? If it is not too hard, a screenshot of a message page as well? Do you know what your browser zoom level is set to? Feel free to reply privately if you prefer. http://www.whatismybrowser.com/ http://www.smartsheet.com/help/browser-zoom Sherry: Thanks for the feedback. I think you are seeing the effects of a thin font, rather than font color. In any case, we'll think it over. Especially of others express similar concerns. Sarah: In the last round of feedback you suggested using ARIA for screen reader support. The new design includes basic ARIA roles. Are you able to test and tell us if this meets your needs? -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: New look to Mail Archive message pages
Looks great to me. The message takes up a full 2/3 of the page, not just 1/3. My only complaint, as one who has some vision issues, is that the font isn't dark enough. Personally, I *like* the white space. I *hate* clutter on my screen. But then that could be due to my vision issues - too much nonsense distracts from what I'm focusing on. I don't see any corrupted fonts. It just would be nice if they were darker though. Sherry On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:38 AM, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi Jeff, > >> We have been working on a new design for The Mail Archive message >> pages. The goal has been to visually bring you to the message content >> faster. The subject and message are right there at the very top left >> of the page now. > > `left' being too true. :-) On a full HD monitor with maximised browser > the email is the left third of the screen. It's like Google+'s > `whitespace' problem, only slightly worse. Could not the whole page be > centred? > > Also, the fixed-width Courier is being corrupted. pre's `font-size: > 1em' is fine but the higher body's `font: 87.5%/1.4' is shrinking it > leading to hard-to read `a's and backticks are slight. Here's the > default and below with the 87.5% turned off. http://derp.co.uk/fc580 > > Cheers, Ralph. -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
Re: New look to Mail Archive message pages
Hi Jeff, > We have been working on a new design for The Mail Archive message > pages. The goal has been to visually bring you to the message content > faster. The subject and message are right there at the very top left > of the page now. `left' being too true. :-) On a full HD monitor with maximised browser the email is the left third of the screen. It's like Google+'s `whitespace' problem, only slightly worse. Could not the whole page be centred? Also, the fixed-width Courier is being corrupted. pre's `font-size: 1em' is fine but the higher body's `font: 87.5%/1.4' is shrinking it leading to hard-to read `a's and backticks are slight. Here's the default and below with the 87.5% turned off. http://derp.co.uk/fc580 Cheers, Ralph. -- To unsubscribe, send mail to [email protected].
