Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-17 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 2/17/06, Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fernando Cassia wrote: > > Stefano, > > > > Are you a Mac user, per chance? Because you sound like one... > > Do you have a problem with that? > > -- > Stefano. > > No, but I figured because you mentioned Quicktime for Java. Which nobody

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Fernando Cassia wrote: Stefano, Are you a Mac user, per chance? Because you sound like one... Do you have a problem with that? -- Stefano.

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-17 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 2/17/06, Tor-Einar Jarnbjo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fernando Cassia schrieb: > > >Which defeats the whole purpose of cross-platform java in the first > place. > >So why not do it win32 / linux /Gtk then? > > > > > Because Java as a programming language has other advantages than > platform

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-17 Thread Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Fernando Cassia schrieb: Which defeats the whole purpose of cross-platform java in the first place. So why not do it win32 / linux /Gtk then? Because Java as a programming language has other advantages than platform independence. Tor

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-17 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 2/17/06, Tor-Einar Jarnbjo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If platform dependency is accepted, > there are also a lot of e.g. ActiveX-bridges allowing ActiveX-enabled > media components (also GUI or video widgets) to be integrated in a Java > application. > > Tor Which defeats the whole purpose

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-17 Thread Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Stefano Mazzocchi schrieb: It's called "quicktime for java" and has been there for years :-) Sure, Quicktime for Java is not that bad, but unfortunately using heavyweight native GUI widgets, which are difficult to integrate without side effects in a Swing application. If platform dependency

re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-17 Thread Fernando Cassia
Stefano, Are you a Mac user, per chance? Because you sound like one... See below: On 2/17/06, Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > > This can't be a Java issue - it must be the > > design-by-committee-for-all-platforms-ever-to-be problem... > > > > I would l

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: This can't be a Java issue - it must be the design-by-committee-for-all-platforms-ever-to-be problem... I would love to see a good sound API in the style of SWT. It's called "quicktime for java" and has been there for years :-) -- Stefano.

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-17 Thread Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: But look at the bright side: there are probably many other really simple yet useful things that can be done to make java more useful on the desktop and this will be a marketing win for alternative JVMs. That would be to be able to write small java programs which sta

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-17 Thread Tim Ellison
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: > This can't be a Java issue - it must be the > design-by-committee-for-all-platforms-ever-to-be problem... > > I would love to see a good sound API in the style of SWT. > > Call it JavaAudio... ... and implement it on Harmony code, we'd be very receptive to patches and

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-16 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
This can't be a Java issue - it must be the design-by-committee-for-all-platforms-ever-to-be problem... I would love to see a good sound API in the style of SWT. Call it JavaAudio... Tor-Einar Jarnbjo wrote: Fernando Cassia wrote: I'm still scratching my bald head thinking why hasn't Googl

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-16 Thread Tor-Einar Jarnbjo
Fernando Cassia wrote: I'm still scratching my bald head thinking why hasn't Google embraced desktop java yet. Google Talk would be a killer app written in Swing / 100% Pure Java. It's never stupid to stay realistic. There is no JavaSound implementation giving you enough control of e.g. the

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-16 Thread Fernando Cassia
On 2/16/06, Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We need to find the tab-browsing-equivalent of a JVM ;-) It's simple, Google should make one of their apps a cross-platform, Swing based java one. Google, unlike Sun, will then have the marketing power to convince vendors to preload

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-16 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Fernando Cassia wrote: On 2/16/06, Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: which implements a very interesting trick to speed up java startup performance: save the hotspot information in a repository (at JVM shut down) so that the JIT doesn't have to wait when it starts until it knows what

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-16 Thread Tim Ellison
Anton Avtamonov wrote: > On 2/16/06, Fernando Cassia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] >> You try to sound clever by making that statement, but imho, despite any >> other speed-up work who might be implemented, Sun's solution >> is very important, and something that should have been implemented a

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-16 Thread Anton Avtamonov
On 2/16/06, Fernando Cassia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > You try to sound clever by making that statement, but imho, despite any > other speed-up work who might be implemented, Sun's solution > is very important, and something that should have been implemented a long, > long time ago. I welc

Re: I welcome J2SE 6's faster-splash.... re: Java speed-up

2006-02-15 Thread Dalibor Topic
Fernando Cassia gmail.com> writes: > I wonder why no one has tought about having java auto-load at startup and > having a single instance of the Java VM running all the time, and then pass > control of the first loaded java application to it (as Mozilla or Firefox > pre-loads itself at boot time