Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I was thinking of "complication" as referring to something difficult, which of course is not necessarily so. Regards, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

In , on 01/18/2011 at 10:20 AM, Greg Shirey said: >I don't understand what the "extra complication" is, Creating a new catalog. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see We don't care. We don't have to care, we

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

In , on 01/18/2011 at 01:44 PM, Greg Shirey said: >Given the environment described in Joel Ewing's post, (to which >Shmuel responded), I wouldn't think there would be much to >synchronize after doing an import connect of the user catalogs. Which is one more potential point of failure, unles

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

It's a matter of what you feel is acceptable. Keeping a master catalog that may/will contain obsolete entries is not acceptable to me, but may be to some sites. I'm not trying to judge any sites on what they feel is correct. It's a clean way to migrate (new master catalogs) and in the case of t

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

ssion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rowe Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets Keeping multiple master catalogs synchronized is one extra complication (the primary one

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:49:14 -0500, Scott Rowe wrote: >Keeping multiple master catalogs synchronized is one extra complication (the >primary one in my mind). > That was one of the issues I asked Brian Westerman about when he said he had done "literally hundreds" of upgrades and thought it was le

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

Keeping multiple master catalogs synchronized is one extra complication (the primary one in my mind). On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Greg Shirey wrote: > I don't understand what the "extra complication" is, especially given your > conclusion that either method is equally simple. Could you ela

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

I don't understand what the "extra complication" is, especially given your conclusion that either method is equally simple. Could you elaborate a bit? Thanks, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

In <4d313463.9050...@acm.org>, on 01/14/2011 at 11:45 PM, "Joel C. Ewing" said: >Certainly, but that wasn't the point. If you have no need to share >the master catalog among multiple MVS images, and if you restrict >the catalog dsn entries to dsns on release-dependent system volumes >that

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

On 01/14/2011 12:06 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In<4d2ea3ac.4040...@acm.org>, on 01/13/2011 at 01:03 AM, "Joel C. Ewing" said: The only thing we allow to be cataloged in the master catalog are datasets on "system volumes" which are associated with a particular release of MVS. You

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

In <4d2ea3ac.4040...@acm.org>, on 01/13/2011 at 01:03 AM, "Joel C. Ewing" said: >The only thing we allow to be cataloged in the master catalog are >datasets on "system volumes" which are associated with a particular >release of MVS. You can do that with a shared master catalog. --

Re: Master Catalogs (was: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets)

On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 03:00:28 -0600, Bruce Hewson wrote: >do you have one MCAT per system, or share MCATs >across multiple systems? > >Next, how much does the new sysres set dataset placement configuration >match the old sysres set dataset placement? > > > >For the "share MCAT" set...there is n

Re: Master Catalogs (was: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets)

s, MI 49546 MD RSCB1G p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.8497 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hewson Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Master Catalogs (was: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM

Master Catalogs (was: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets)

Another religious discussion it really does depend on your environment! For starters, in a sysplex, do you have one MCAT per system, or share MCATs across multiple systems? Next, how much does the new sysres set dataset placement configuration match the old sysres set dataset place

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

Thank you Kees and Barbara for confirming what we have in mind. Regards, Sue. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the arc

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

Sue, >IWMSVPOL entry Pre-z/OS V1R10 entry length z/OS V1R10 entry length >Policy information 168 360 >Service Class 64 144 >Workload40 112 How many service def

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

"Sue Chiam" wrote in message news: ... > Hi All, > > I am the one who raise this issue and Allan Staller has answered my > question. After that the issue has gone side-way, off > what I am after. To clarify my original query, my concern has nothing to > do with Master Catalog regarding the new

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

> >> I have performed literally hundreds of upgrades and I have never kept the > >> old master catalog as the master for the new system. Sue is right, answer the question or start a new thread. I have also asked this one or two times in the past. Kees. **

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

On 01/11/2011 08:53 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:22:27 -0600, Brian Westerman wrote: If that's what works for you then by all means you should stick with it. I have performed literally hundreds of upgrades and I have never kept the old master catalog as the master for the ne

z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

Hi All, I am the one who raise this issue and Allan Staller has answered my question. After that the issue has gone side-way, off what I am after. To clarify my original query, my concern has nothing to do with Master Catalog regarding the new WLM couple data sets. As we have a simplex sysplex

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:22:27 -0600, Brian Westerman wrote: > There seems to be a lot of chance for things to go wrong, and with all of >the other issues involved in a migration, making it more complex, for me, is >not a "good thing". I just wanted to add one more point related to this: At

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:22:27 -0600, Brian Westerman wrote: >If that's what works for you then by all means you should stick with it. > >I have performed literally hundreds of upgrades and I have never kept the >old master catalog as the master for the new system. Mostly it has to do >with "prope

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

If that's what works for you then by all means you should stick with it. I have performed literally hundreds of upgrades and I have never kept the old master catalog as the master for the new system. Mostly it has to do with "properly" setting up the master catalog in the first place. The only

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

version. Any changes to WLM would need to be made on a lower level of z/OS I would think. >Date:Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:57:31 -0600 >From:"Staller, Allan" >mailto:allan.stal...@kbmg.com>> >Subject: Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets > > >We are

RES: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

: +55 11 4197-2021 R: 22021 Fax: +55 11 4197-2814 -Mensagem original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] Em nome de Staller, Allan Enviada em: segunda-feira, 10 de janeiro de 2011 11:58 Para: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Assunto: Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple

Re: z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

We are in the process of upgrade z/OS 1.11 into a SYSPLEX. It is going to be a rolling upgrade. I would like to know how other sites migrate the LPARs to the new WLM couple data sets. Do they only upgrade to the new WLM couple data sets when all the LPARs are upgraded? I would just complete t

z/OS 1.11 upgrade - WLM couple datasets

Hi All, We are in the process of upgrade z/OS 1.11 into a SYSPLEX. It is going to be a rolling upgrade. I would like to know how other sites migrate the LPARs to the new WLM couple data sets. Do they only upgrade to the new WLM couple data sets when all the LPARs are upgraded? Really appreciat