Re: zos program to supply web based client

2019-01-10 Thread Gibney, Dave
The Software AG solutions are EntireX (I think now called webmethods) and Connx (and SQL gateway to Adabas). You could probably write Natural to talk Unix System Services sockets. Or CICS EXCI > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Brian Westerman > Se

AW: Do I need to copy a mainframe flat file to OMVS, before I access the data from a JAVA program?

2019-01-10 Thread Michael Knigge
Cameron, wou can then use the ZFile class (see https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSYKE2_7.0.0/com.ibm.java.zsecurity.api.70.doc/com.ibm.jzos/com/ibm/jzos/ZFile.html) and open the DD with "//DD:MYFILE"... Bye, Michael Mit freundlichen Grüßen Michael Knigge Software Engineer SE

Re: zos program to supply web based client

2019-01-10 Thread Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred)
Hi, The z/OS Web Enablement Toolkit does not work under CICS. So it can possible be invoked by all sorts of languages but won't work in every 'environment'. And I would think that CICS is one of the most important 'environments' where an application could run. It can be invoked in a batch job

Re: zos program to supply web based client

2019-01-10 Thread Windt, W.K.F. van der (Fred)
Hi, You can implement this with relative ease in CICS transactions that use CICS WEB statements. CICS has extensive builtin support for these kind op applications. We are implementing restful APIs that way. Regardz, Fred! > I have a "how can I do that" type of question. This has probably bee

Re: zos program to supply web based client

2019-01-10 Thread Timothy Sipples
Brian, do you have any more information about the program that's going to be involved in answering this query, such as programming language and run-time environment (CICS Transaction Server, for example)? The "best" answer may vary a little depending on those high-level details. Besides z/OS base

Re: z/OS 1.12 question

2019-01-10 Thread Timothy Sipples
Thanks for the correction, Jim. I was going by an IBM presentation that suggested z/OS 1.13 was the first release to get a "pure z/Architecture" IPL, but sometimes there are "unadvertised" details from people in the know. Much appreciated. There are some toleration PTFs (available under extended s

Re: zos program to supply web based client

2019-01-10 Thread Tom Brennan
Probably not what you want, but the first thing I think of is ssh. I've written web applications running php on Linux/Windows that do things like this (if I remember correctly): exec("ssh use...@mainframe.ip some_script.sh",$out,$rc); SSH keys need to be setup on the running system, but tha

Re: z/OS 1.12 question

2019-01-10 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Just in our latest upgrade from 2.1 to 2.3, we were recommended by various ISVs to apply service or even upgrade to a higher release. We mostly did as directed but in a few cases demurred. In some of those cases we got away with that, in other cases burned. I would never advise hoping to glidi

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-10 Thread David Crayford
On 11/01/2019 10:27 am, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Semicolons, yes, but: do <=> { end<=> } switch <=> SELECT ... I think Rexx got much of its lexical flavor from PL/I. But that's easy for me to say becase I don't know PL/I. From Wiki "Rexx was also intended by its creato

Re: zos program to supply web based client

2019-01-10 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 1/10/2019 6:02 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: What would be the simplest or best way to accomplish that? I recommend the z/OS Web Enablement Toolkit. It works in all languages -- even assembler. -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:30:41 -0500, zMan wrote: >Semicolons?😀 > (My laptop doesn't speak emoji.) Semicolons, yes, but: do <=> { end<=> } switch <=> SELECT ... I think Rexx got much of its lexical flavor from PL/I. But that's easy for me to say becase I don't know PL/I.

zos program to supply web based client

2019-01-10 Thread Brian Westerman
Hi, I have a "how can I do that" type of question. This has probably been happening for a long time, but I have not had to deal with it before now. I know that there are probably vendor written ways, but the programmers want to "roll their own method" if possible as the first choice. Maybe I

Re: z/OS 1.12 question

2019-01-10 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 1/10/2019 5:12 PM, Tom Conley wrote: Good to know folks out there aren't exploiting extended GDG's. Which is amazing considering, without that support, you can't even maintain one generation per day for a year! =-O -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive Nor

Re: z/OS 1.12 question

2019-01-10 Thread Tom Conley
On 1/10/2019 7:20 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 1/9/2019 11:05 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: Most, if not all, of the installed (vendor) software at 1.12 will work perfectly fine at 2.3. Don't know about most, but ALL seems highly unlikely. I can state with certainty that *every one* of the z/OS-based

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-10 Thread scott Ford
I like the semicolons ..lol On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:51 PM scott Ford wrote: > Maybe you should read about Mike who wrote rexx, which I have used since > 1984... > It’s the structure > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:31 PM zMan wrote: > >> Semicolons?😀 >> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:48 PM Steve S

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-10 Thread scott Ford
Maybe you should read about Mike who wrote rexx, which I have used since 1984... It’s the structure On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:31 PM zMan wrote: > Semicolons?😀 > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:48 PM Steve Smith wrote: > > > REXX is lot like C? I can't think of anything they have in common beyond >

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-10 Thread zMan
Semicolons?😀 On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:48 PM Steve Smith wrote: > REXX is lot like C? I can't think of anything they have in common beyond > the minimum basics of any procedural language. > > sas > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:43 PM scott Ford wrote: > > > APL sounds painful unless your into pai

Re: z/OS 1.12 question

2019-01-10 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 1/9/2019 11:05 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: Most, if not all, of the installed (vendor) software at 1.12 will work perfectly fine at 2.3. Don't know about most, but ALL seems highly unlikely. I can state with certainty that *every one* of the z/OS-based products we run here from other ISVs

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-10 Thread Steve Smith
REXX is lot like C? I can't think of anything they have in common beyond the minimum basics of any procedural language. sas On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:43 PM scott Ford wrote: > APL sounds painful unless your into pain. I learned Rexx after Assembler, > Cobol and PL/1. > I always thought PL/1 was

Re: Do I need to copy a mainframe flat file to OMVS, before I access the data from a JAVA program?

2019-01-10 Thread Cameron Conacher
Thanks everyone. Looks like I have some reading to do :-) Appreciate the guidance. On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:07 PM Paul Gilmartin < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 17:49:44 -0500, Cameron Conacher wrote: > > >Thank you Jerry. > >Do I simply add a norm

Re: Do I need to copy a mainframe flat file to OMVS, before I access the data from a JAVA program?

2019-01-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 17:49:44 -0500, Cameron Conacher wrote: >Thank you Jerry. >Do I simply add a normal DD statement identifying my file? > >//MYFILE DD DSN=HLQ.MYFILE,DISP=OLD > DD may not work because java may run in a separate address space unless you have _BPX_SHAREAS=MUST. I'd concur with M

Re: Do I need to copy a mainframe flat file to OMVS, before I access the data from a JAVA program?

2019-01-10 Thread Cameron Conacher
Thank you Jerry. Do I simply add a normal DD statement identifying my file? //MYFILE DD DSN=HLQ.MYFILE,DISP=OLD On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:42 PM Matt Hogstrom wrote: > I haven’t verified this but I think you can reference the file in Java > using this convention for the file name from USS and

Re: Do I need to copy a mainframe flat file to OMVS, before I access the data from a JAVA program?

2019-01-10 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I haven’t verified this but I think you can reference the file in Java using this convention for the file name from USS and not have to run in an STC. I’ll try this later tonight but thought I’d offer it unverified if you have time. Concur with Jerry on encoding. "//‘hlq.my.mvs.filename'" If

Re: Do I need to copy a mainframe flat file to OMVS, before I access the data from a JAVA program?

2019-01-10 Thread Edgington, Jerry
No you don't need to copy the file to USS, if you are running a Java batch job. JCL something like this, which executes the JVM procedure, in this case Java 1.8 64bit. The STDENV DD will need the environment variables, like LIBPATH, CLASSPATH, Java Options,etc. //JAVA EXEC PROC=JVMPRC86,

Do I need to copy a mainframe flat file to OMVS, before I access the data from a JAVA program?

2019-01-10 Thread Cameron Conacher
Hello Listers, If I have created a flat file in some mainframe batch JOB, and I want to pass it through a JAVA Utility, do I need to copy the file first to my OMVS segment, and the run my JAVA process? Or can I directly access the EBCDIC encoded flat file by my JAVA process? Just starting down thi

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Tony Thigpen
Same for z/VSE. It works, but spending time in key-0 is not something most people want to do. Tony Thigpen Seymour J Metz wrote on 1/10/19 3:09 PM: AFAIK, a PSW key of 0 in MVS will allow waiting on an ECB of any key, but I can think of reasons to disallow it. I wouldn't even try to guess for

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
AFAIK, a PSW key of 0 in MVS will allow waiting on an ECB of any key, but I can think of reasons to disallow it. I wouldn't even try to guess for z/VSE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on beha

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
No, the COMM ECB is fine as is. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joseph Reichman Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue This my TIMEVAL

Re: Zowe?

2019-01-10 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 17:59:07 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >for the code written in PL/S (nee BSL), the optional source has the generated >assembler with the source PL/S as comments; I found that reasonably easy to >work with even though I would rather have had a PL/S compiler. > Ugh! Working

Re: Where can I find an eexamples of an assembler modules using classes?

2019-01-10 Thread Tony Harminc
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 02:29, Peter Hunkeler wrote: > I asked that some time last year, when I understood that Enterprise Cobol V5 > and later uses this to store debug information with the load module instead > of in side files. > ISTR that Peter Relson responded that this is not intended to b

Re: article about Grace Hopper, developer of COBOL

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
> How about mathematic symbols or mnemonics as opposed to human readable > languages? I find Mathematics much more readable than, e.g., German, Russian. Neither the vocabulary nor the grammar is as complex as any natural language I know of. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~sm

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Tony Thigpen
Seymour, Can a z/OS program, running in key-0, wait on an ECB that is in key-8? Tony Thigpen Seymour J Metz wrote on 1/10/19 1:36 PM: 1. It is part of the architecture that with a PSW key of 0 you can access any storage not protected by some other mechanism, e.g., low storage protection.

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
1. It is part of the architecture that with a PSW key of 0 you can access any storage not protected by some other mechanism, e.g., low storage protection. 2. There are software requirements for particular OS services, and I don't know what they are in z/VSE 3. In MVS all ECBs are equal but so

Re: article about Grace Hopper, developer of COBOL

2019-01-10 Thread Steve Thompson
How about mathematic symbols or mnemonics as opposed to human readable languages? That would be my take of what the author was getting at. Sent from my iPhone — small keyboarf, fat fungrs, stupd spell manglr. Expct mistaks On Jan 10, 2019, at 1:23 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> Grace Hopper

Re: article about Grace Hopper, developer of COBOL

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Grace Hopper No mention of compilers for languages that had nothing to do with COBOL. The phrase "based on language rather than complex symbols" is puzzling; what does the author think that languages are? Perhaps there is a hunter-gatherer language that doesn't use complex symbols, but I doub

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
No. The Devil is in the details. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joseph Reichman Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 9:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Concurrent Ser

Re: Zowe?

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
Even if the module was hit by a PTF, it's a lot easier to start with the optional source than with the microfiche. for the code written in PL/S (nee BSL), the optional source has the generated assembler with the source PL/S as comments; I found that reasonably easy to work with even though I wo

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Zowe question for IBM

2019-01-10 Thread scott Ford
Matt: Nowdays its good to be employed and in a high tech area even better. Scott On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:35 AM Matt Hogstrom wrote: > > If it were me, I wouldn't let the community design the puzzle pieces > that speak HTTP on one end and function/component-specific, native API on > the other.

Re: Zowe?

2019-01-10 Thread Tony Harminc
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 16:47, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > was “open source” if you call fiche open source. > > There were optional source material tapes. For the base it was not uncommon. But while PTF source was, in theory, RPQable, in the real world no one had complete source matching the MVS the

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Rob Scott
Suggested task structure : TCB1 (Main controller - Deals with CIBs) ---> TCB2 (TCP/IP listener - subtask of TCB1) ->TCB3A TCB3B TCB3C (Socket handler subtasks of TCB2) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Joseph Reichman Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2

Re: article about Grace Hopper, developer of COBOL

2019-01-10 Thread Barkow, Eileen
Actually it is a good web site once you figure out how to click the arrows to display the pages (just hit continue and click the main arrow). And AM NY is a free hard copied newspaper that is distributed every week day around the city - good horoscope and ken ken puzzle. -Original Message---

Re: Generic query on Region allocation failure

2019-01-10 Thread Allan Staller
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 2:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Generic query on Region allocation failure I don't expect below-the-line CSA to be much affected by a hardware change

Re: article about Grace Hopper, developer of COBOL

2019-01-10 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:48:14 +, Barkow, Eileen wrote: >Navigate to page A8 for interesting article about Grace Hopper, developer of >COBOL > >http://paper.amny.com/html5/reader/production/default.aspx?&pubid=4af0aa34-706c-410d-a9ff-f93a3c23b1c7 What an awful web site! -- Tom Marchant

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Joseph Reichman
That’s not what I said For the wait macro the PSW storage key bits 8 - 11 has to be the same as the storage key for the ECB > On Jan 10, 2019, at 9:22 AM, Tom Marchant > <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 00:00:34 -0500, Tony Thigpen wrote: >> >>

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 00:00:34 -0500, Tony Thigpen wrote: > In z/VSE, if in key-0, I can access any other key storage. I >don't know if this is true for z/OS. It is the way the hardware works. The same is true regardless of the operating system. -- Tom Marchant

Re: article about Grace Hopper, developer of COBOL

2019-01-10 Thread Blake, Daniel J [CTR]
I understand it was advocating a statue. To the unknowing of technology and to the younger techies who never heard of or know what COBOL is would be left with 'So What' after reading that article. A link to Grace's life would have been appropriate. ;-D an -Original Message- From: IB

Re: article about Grace Hopper, developer of COBOL

2019-01-10 Thread Barkow, Eileen
The article was just a sort of an editorial advocating for a statue of Grace Hopper, not a biography of her, so it had to be short. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Blake, Daniel J [CTR] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019

Re: article about Grace Hopper, developer of COBOL

2019-01-10 Thread Blake, Daniel J [CTR]
Wow, so much more can be said about her contributions that I found the article lacking. "The only phrase I've ever disliked is, 'Why, we've always done it that way.' I always tell young people, 'Go ahead and do it. You can always apologize later.'" ~ Grace Hopper And one of the most used even

article about Grace Hopper, developer of COBOL

2019-01-10 Thread Barkow, Eileen
Navigate to page A8 for interesting article about Grace Hopper, developer of COBOL http://paper.amny.com/html5/reader/production/default.aspx?&pubid=4af0aa34-706c-410d-a9ff-f93a3c23b1c7 This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Zowe question for IBM

2019-01-10 Thread Matt Hogstrom
> If it were me, I wouldn't let the community design the puzzle pieces that > speak HTTP on one end and function/component-specific, native API on the > other.. IBM is best placed to make this happen since they've got the teams > designing and maintaining parts of z/OS. For good or bad I work f

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Zowe question for IBM

2019-01-10 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
Thank you Matt, are you working on something in this area.. ? Just wanted to hear from experienced z folk on whether the thing I've mentioned below sounds doable. And if it seems simpler than zOSMF + Zowe. Reckon the "security module" for IHSA can even be baked into core IHSA, if it isn't a fu

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Joseph Reichman
So what you re saying is the main task should attach a task to wait on the COMECBPT and also attach the 4 tasks that do socket I/O Joe Reichman Joe Reichman Lead Developer Sam Golob Systems Programming 170-10 73rd Ave Fresh Meadows NY 11366 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Disc

Re: Zowe question for IBM

2019-01-10 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I’d say that for me personally that is what I want to make available. Of course, everything you highlighted needs security and some guide rails to ensure that the system is protected against DoS kinds of attacks. That is not what z/OSMF is doing. z/OSMF is a collection of RESTful services tha

Re: z/OS 1.12 question

2019-01-10 Thread Edgington, Jerry
Thanks Jim. It might be something to at least try with a sandbox LPAR. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jim Mulder Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question

Re: z/OS 1.12 question

2019-01-10 Thread Edgington, Jerry
Thanks Brian. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 2:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question The OP needs to remember though that none of (or onl

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Rob Scott
Personally I would not mix the operator communications in the same task and ECBLIST as the TCP/IP API. I would have a master controller task that would deal with any operator comms and also manage the various "other" subtasks of which one would be the listener agent. The listener agent would t

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Joseph Reichman
It’s the wait macro the caller has to be in same key as the storage key of the ECB is this true of SELECB parm > On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:00 AM, Tony Thigpen wrote: > > Joseph, > > My z/OS experience is still limited. Most of my experience is with z/VSE. In > z/VSE, if in key-0, I can access