On Wednesday, 03/26/2008 at 03:28 EDT, "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> What does this have to do with ESM?
You said you had to trace successful and unsuccessful SEND commands (I
assume in your efforts to reverse engineer SEND) and it gave me an idea
about recording the recording t
>>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "O'Brien,
Dennis L" wrote:
> We're planning our training for the year, and wondering about the value
> of SHARE vs. zSeries Expo. Several of us have been to SHARE, but none
> have been to the Expo. What do people who've been
Hi, Dennis.
In my opinion and I have been to both many times, I think the greater
value is with zExpo.
O'Brien, Dennis L wrote:
We're planning our training for the year, and wondering about the value
of SHARE vs. zSeries Expo. Several of us have been to SHARE, but none
have been to the Exp
The movie stars were Lassie and Rin-tin-tin. The dog is variable, chosen
to suit the audience. I have heard it with various dogs. IBM-specific
ones were IMS and TSO. Other substitutions are possible.
Regards,
Richard Schuh
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>
On Mar 26, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Gentry, Stephen wrote:
It will work on an IS (been there done that) but painfully slow. Would
the p390 actually have to be a p390e? I started to work on it a few
times on a p370 but kept getting side tracked on other stuff.
Steve G
Mine *was* a p390E.
I don't kno
Hi Berry and Mike,
Your pipe commands appear to have worked. After issuing them this is
what I see:
CP2KVMXT VMARCA1 V80 2629 53
3/26/08 14:55
MONVIEW VMARCA1 V80756 16
3/26/08 14:53
For the below file, I issued the f
The existing licenses already allow running in a virtual environment and
don't specify what chips etc that could be. They could change future
licenses, perhaps, but MS licenses don't work like Mainframe Licenses and it
would be hard to exclude mainframe based emulation without excluding VM
Ware
Hello Alyce,
As Mike said, looks like a upload error.
I guess these are from the IBM VM packages, in that case upload to VM in
binary mode, Recfm fixed and lrecl 80.
If you can't upload with specifing recordlayout you also can upload in
binary and use the PIPE FBLOCK to restore the correct l
Don't forget WAVV .. No Z/OS stuff but plenty of z/VM z/VSE and z/LINUX..
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Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:35 PM
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Subject: SHARE vs. zSeries Expo
We're
Alyce,
In cases like this it has (to the best of my knowledge) always been an
download/upload problem.
- Download the files with LRECL and RECFM, and ASCII or BIN as the site
requests.
- When uploading the files to your VM system, do so carefully following
the instructions from the site where
And I paid for a vendor session to give that non-vendor presentation. Gee, SHARE
encourages technical presentations, and EXPO has lots of sessions that are pretty poorly
attended - as in little interest.
Marcy Cortes wrote:
Did both last year.
While there is a lot of overlap, SHARE is a hea
Did both last year.
While there is a lot of overlap, SHARE is a heavier on technical how'tos
and user experiences sessions and non-IBM vendor content - Barton only
got 1 session at expo :)... IMHO.
You can use your IBM credits for all the z10's you're purchasing to
attend Expo, though :)
Marcy C
Hello,
When I issue the following vmarc commands in preparation for the
monwrite procedures,
this is what I get:
vmarc unpk monview vmarc a
MONVIEW SCRIPT A1. Bytes in= 11776, bytes out= 6168 (
52%).
Invalid header for compacted file.
Ready(8); T=0.01/0.01 13:38:10
v
It will work on an IS (been there done that) but painfully slow. Would
the p390 actually have to be a p390e? I started to work on it a few
times on a p370 but kept getting side tracked on other stuff.
Steve G
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Seems like Johnny Carson did this joke as "The Great Carnac".
Do you remember what the answers are/were? I can't remember the name
of the female movie star (of course you could substitute any currently
good looking female movie star(and let's not go too off thread with
this)). I do remember the o
We're planning our training for the year, and wondering about the value
of SHARE vs. zSeries Expo. Several of us have been to SHARE, but none
have been to the Expo. What do people who've been to both think of
each?
Dennis O'Brien
"Just beca
On Mar 26, 2008, at 1:55 PM, David Boyes wrote:
Not very. Adam's done it on our MP3K (RIP -- check the archives for a
URL with the screenshot of WinNT beating the living daylights out of
our
poor abused H70). Don't recommend it on that hardware.
I think it was actually a P390 or IS. REALLY
I would assume he needs VM because he needs several different versions of z/OS to support his
products. If your developing a z/OS product you need to have all the supported versions of z/OS to
test it on.
David Boyes wrote:
We have been using VM for 20 of our 27 years in business. A
developme
> > z/OS doesn't run because it deliberately issues an instruction
subcode
> > that is not implemented on an IFL and then craters in a specified
way
> > when the instruction fails.
> One might infer from your characterization that z/OS added code to
> intentionally crater itself on an IFL, and that
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>
>
> On Wednesday, 03/26/2008 at 03:17
What does this have to do with ESM?
Regards,
Richard Schuh
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:21 PM
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> Subject: Re: Logoff vs. Force
>
>
On Wednesday, 03/26/2008 at 03:17 EDT, David Boyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> z/OS doesn't run because it deliberately issues an instruction subcode
> that is not implemented on an IFL and then craters in a specified way
> when the instruction fails.
One might infer from your characterization t
On Wednesday, 03/26/2008 at 11:01 EDT, Mark Pace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Me too! Me too
>
> Give me a z10 and I'll try it.
If I find any on the sidewalk or near the storm drain I will save them for
you and Adam.
Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott
On Wednesday, 03/26/2008 at 12:05 EDT, "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> At my previous place of employment, I implemented a class S SEND command
on,
> initially, an HPO4 system. It was a problem at first because SEND was
OCO. I
> had to trace successful and unsuccessful SENDs on
> Systems such as z/OS do not run on an IFL due to
> some differences in the microcode loaded.
z/OS doesn't run because it deliberately issues an instruction subcode
that is not implemented on an IFL and then craters in a specified way
when the instruction fails.
> If somebody wanted to, they co
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Wade
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 2:01 PM
> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
> Subject: Re: z/VM - Lightweight specific purpose file system
>
>
> Why would the Microsoft Licensing be
> There could be virtualization uses
> at some point. My shop is a heavy MS shop and trying to retire
> their Multiprise 3000. It would be nice to pilot the migration
> of some Windows servers onto our lightly loaded VM/ESA system.
Wait for the new hardware, at least if you have anything else us
Why would the Microsoft Licensing be "tricky"? Expensive perhaps as you need
one license per virtual machine, but not tricky...
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Subject: Re: z/VM - Lightweight specific purpose file system
The
> Are you saying or asking if has run Bochs on a mainframe? That would
> be a very significant achievement.
Not very. Adam's done it on our MP3K (RIP -- check the archives for a
URL with the screenshot of WinNT beating the living daylights out of our
poor abused H70). Don't recommend it on that h
The tricky part about this is the Microsoft licensing.
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: March 26, 2008 14:41
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> -Orig
> > We have been using VM for 20 of our 27 years in business. A
development
> > environment without it has never been considered an option.
Now that's the sort of quote that should appear in IBM marketing
materials.
-- db
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:35 PM
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>
>
> If such a beast were to materializ
If such a beast were to materialize, would IBM let customers run it on
IFL's (where "L" stand for Linux)?
l
Stephen Frazier
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On: Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:54:00AM -0400,Jim Bohnsack Wrote:
} This is true, but I've only seen it for a tape drive with an
} intervention required. Have you seen other devices do this?
Occasionally for a disk, usually because its broken. More frequently
for tapes.
--
Rich Greenberg N Ft M
Hi, Gary.
So, let me see if I got this straightyour organization has developed
some sort of application, which runs on CMS, that allows Windows-based
code to be executed? Way cool, dude. Good luck with it, and could you
please keep this informed as to your progress on this?
Given your e
On Mar 26, 2008, at 11:12 AM, David L. Craig wrote:
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:59:00AM -0500, Dave Jones wrote:
Dave, yes, Boch, running Windows NT itself, has been hosted on top
of a
zLinux guest, running under z/VM. This feat was accomplished by my
colleague Adam Thornton, who clearly has
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:32:58PM -0400, Alan Altmark wrote:
>
> I think you'll find the MP3K is just too slow (CPU speed). That was the
> point of my talking about a z10; it's a much faster CPU than even a z9.
>
> But as an experiment to determine feasibility of the technology it would
> be
Early in the development cycle, we had both QEMU and Bochs running on
z/System version of Redhat (CentOS 5.4). The "Name two movie stars and a
dog" joke applied to both emulators running in this environment.
We concluded early on that we had to get rid of Linux and the emulation
layer. Both would
On Wednesday, 03/26/2008 at 12:13 EDT, "David L. Craig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Yes, Google is my friend. There's even a Debian package, I see.
> I, too, would be very interested is performance numbers from
> state-of-the-art hardware. There could be virtualization uses
> at some point. My
As Dave (Jones) said, yes, it's been done.
But Dave (Craig), while it *is* cool, don't be shocked at this feat.
BOCHS is a pure emulator. It can be built on *any* HW platform
("System p", Sun SPARC, or an ARM hand-held, not only "System z")
and will emulate the INTeL instruction set with a sma
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:59:00AM -0500, Dave Jones wrote:
> Dave, yes, Boch, running Windows NT itself, has been hosted on top of a
> zLinux guest, running under z/VM. This feat was accomplished by my
> colleague Adam Thornton, who clearly has way too much free time on his
> hands. ;-)
>
> W
At my previous place of employment, I implemented a class S SEND command
on, initially, an HPO4 system. It was a problem at first because SEND
was OCO. I had to trace successful and unsuccessful SENDs on a 2nd level
system to see where each went. Then I had to find a patch area where I
could put my
David L. Craig wrote:
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:29:59AM -0400, Alan Altmark wrote:
An excellent goal. As a point of comparison, have you ever run Windows
using the Bochs emulator on zLinux? If so, on what machine? (I'd like to
see someone try it on a z10.)
Are you saying or asking if has
This is true, but I've only seen it for a tape drive with an
intervention required. Have you seen other devices do this?
Jim
Rich Greenberg wrote:
Caveat: Thids doesn't always work:
I have had some success with the SEND command such as:
CP SEND CP target LOG
sometimes, especially if some d
On the other hand, if you are referring to the user being forced as the
one who hangs, any condition that hangs it when it is forced will likely
hang it in logoff.
I presume that you are using RETRIEVE as the retrieval tool in DISKACNT.
If so, use (iirc) SEND CP DISKACNT EXT followed by SEND DISK
Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is also a class C version of SEND that doesn't require you
> to be the SECUSER, ...
Well, you learn something new every day!! I guess I have never gone back
and read this up or tried it.
Colin Allinson
Amadeus Data Processing GmbH
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:29:59AM -0400, Alan Altmark wrote:
>
> An excellent goal. As a point of comparison, have you ever run Windows
> using the Bochs emulator on zLinux? If so, on what machine? (I'd like to
> see someone try it on a z10.)
Are you saying or asking if has run Bochs on a m
On Wednesday, 03/26/2008 at 10:46 EDT, "Wandschneider, Scott"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anybody have a trick on how to LOGOFF disconnected users like
> DISKACNT instead of using FORCE. Sometimes FORCE will cause a user to
> hang and it requires the forcing user to have class A. I know th
Scott:
Using SEND to logoff users of the RETRIEVE MODULE like DISKACNT, EREP or
OPERSYMP is much cleaner (ie avoids "HCPCRC8084E An IUCV IPRCODE of 02 was
encountered during an IUCV SEND function for user DISKACNT".) if you:
CP SEND CP userid EXT
CP SEND userid END
CP SEND CP userid LOGOFF
Way too easy - THANK YOU!
Thank you,
Scott R Wandschneider
Senior Systems Programmer
Infocrossing
Office 402.963.8905
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rothman, Peter
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:49 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UAR
"Wandschneider, Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anybody have a trick on how to LOGOFF disconnected users like
> DISKACNT instead of using FORCE. Sometimes FORCE will cause a user to
> hang and it requires the forcing user to have class A. I know that the
> FORCE command can be change to
Me too! Me too
>
> Give me a z10 and I'll try it.
>
> Adam
--
Mark Pace
Mainline Information Systems
On: Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 07:40:57AM -0700,Wandschneider, Scott Wrote:
} Does anybody have a trick on how to LOGOFF disconnected users like
} DISKACNT instead of using FORCE. Sometimes FORCE will cause a user to
} hang and it requires the forcing user to have class A. I know that the
} FORCE comm
On Mar 26, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Alan Altmark wrote:
On Wednesday, 03/26/2008 at 12:20 EDT, "Gary M. Dennis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Emulation would be a non-starter for a production environment. I
would
describe this system as a single pass code segment translation system
with
conditional b
Use the "CP SEND" command to "send" a LOGOFF command.
David Wakser
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Behalf Of Wandschneider, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:41 AM
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Subject: Logoff vs. Force
Does anybod
CP SEND CP 'userid' LOGOFF'
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Wandschneider, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:41 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Logoff vs. Force
Does anybody have a trick on how to LOGOFF disconn
Does anybody have a trick on how to LOGOFF disconnected users like
DISKACNT instead of using FORCE. Sometimes FORCE will cause a user to
hang and it requires the forcing user to have class A. I know that the
FORCE command can be change to another class, but would rather stay away
from FORCE altog
On Wednesday, 03/26/2008 at 12:20 EDT, "Gary M. Dennis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Emulation would be a non-starter for a production environment. I would
> describe this system as a single pass code segment translation system
with
> conditional block invalidation.
>
> We have been using VM for
Sounds very interesting. I hope you present your method at a conference sometime. Even if it isn't a
commercial success the idea is intriguing.
Gary M. Dennis wrote:
Emulation would be a non-starter for a production environment. I would
describe this system as a single pass code segment transla
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