Moving on (a bit)

2010-09-23 Thread Alan Ackerman
I have moved from z/VM Support to z/Linux Support. I am still working for Bank of America. Still working for the same manage r, Mike Sepp. (He made the same move). I still have the same desk in Concord, CA that I have had sin ce 1986. I still have a desk in my bedroom. (For all those days I sta

Re: Central vs. expanded storage

2010-09-23 Thread Alan Ackerman
In other words "It depends!" (Copyright 1985 by Bill Bitner. See http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/BITNER/.) We heard a rumor at SHARE that there is magic number (something like "pag e age"?) for the age of pages in XSTORE. It "should" be between some limits. What limits? What va riable? (We have

Re: Virtualizing a z10

2010-09-23 Thread Ivan Warren
On 9/23/2010 7:26 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: No secret: It uses the PREFETCH DATA instruction in the General-Instructions-Extensions Facility. Of course, since developers are no longer shackled by the z900, they may use other z10+ instructions at their discretion. Forgot to ask.. So why do you

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2010-09-23 Thread Lionel Dyck
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Re: VM64814 information

2010-09-23 Thread Alan Ackerman
I went and looked at APARs VM64814 and VM64816 on IBMLink. Almost no info rmation! They both simply say NF NEWFUNCT, with no description. Come on IBM, why the secrecy ? VM64814 says: COMMENTS: New Function Support Statement: IBM is supporting this in customer test environments until APAR

Re: cp command or utility to query what machine is using more cpu or io or memory

2010-09-23 Thread Rogério Soares
Thanks Mike. i already use perftoolkit. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Mike Walter wrote: > If you are interested in just what ONE single user is using (the numbers > are "smoothed" over a period of time, then: CP INDicate > as in: > CP IND USER someone > for more detail: > CP IND USER so

Re: cp command or utility to query what machine is using more cpu or io or memory

2010-09-23 Thread Scott Rohling
No single 'query' command, no. You should enable and configure PERFKIT (Performance Toolkit) .. once you do so, you can query many performance aspects of your system, including which users are using the most cpu, memory, io, paging, etc.. Scott Rohling 2010/9/23 Rogério Soares > Hi listeners

Re: cp command or utility to query what machine is using more cpu or io or memory

2010-09-23 Thread Mike Walter
If you are interested in just what ONE single user is using (the numbers are "smoothed" over a period of time, then: CP INDicate as in: CP IND USER someone for more detail: CP IND USER someone EXPanded But keep in mind that is only a one-time snapshot of a single user. CP INDICATE can also sho

cp command or utility to query what machine is using more cpu or io or memory

2010-09-23 Thread Rogério Soares
Hi listeners, there is a way to query what guest is using more cpu or memory using cp or cms? Tia, Rogério Soares

Re: Virtualizing a z10

2010-09-23 Thread Rich Smrcina
The 10 part. On 09/23/2010 09:27 AM, McKown, John wrote: If you are allowed to say, what particular z10+ only feature does 6.1 require? We aren't a z/VM shop, so I've not perused the z/VM manuals, if the answer is in there I apologize. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Se

Re: Virtualizing a z10

2010-09-23 Thread Marcy Cortes
Well, to *support* something on a box you also have to have tested it there. At least that's the grief I get from non-IBM vendors when I ask for product x for Linux on z! It may run, but they didn't invest the testing dollars. I suspect that's part of it too. Running tests on those >4 yr.

Re: Virtualizing a z10

2010-09-23 Thread McKown, John
I somewhat agree. I'm confused by IBM's z "philosophy". I remember when the S/370 arch was around and IBM was targetting from mid-size to large shops (4331 was __small__!). Now the z people seem to be like Bentley dealers. If you're not a multimillionaire, you don't even need to consider a Bentl

Re: Virtualizing a z10

2010-09-23 Thread Ivan Warren
On 9/23/2010 7:26 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: No secret: It uses the PREFETCH DATA instruction in the General-Instructions-Extensions Facility. Of course, since developers are no longer shackled by the z900, they may use other z10+ instructions at their discretion. Sheesh... Would it have been h

Re: Applying Maintenance - Best Practice

2010-09-23 Thread Marcy Cortes
We put it on 2nd level first. Check that it IPLs, basically... not a lot we can do there. Then our vm test lpar. Make sure everything comes up. Maybe start a Linux there. Then our 2 Linux test/dev lpars, which run lots of servers. Gets a lot of exercise there. Let it cook a few weeks. Roll t

Re: Applying Maintenance - Best Practice

2010-09-23 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
PUT2PROD was changed awhile back so that it doesn't bounce TCPIP. I don't recall when it was changed, but I know that it doesn't bounce TCPIP on z/VM 5.4.0.     Dennis "A slip

Re: Applying Maintenance - Best Practice

2010-09-23 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
I put all maintenance on a second-level system and test it before putting it on a production system. Sometimes the nature of the change is such that it won't get much of a test on a guest, but I still do it. Dennis "A slipping sear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you le

Re: Applying Maintenance - Best Practice

2010-09-23 Thread George Henke/NYLIC
ty, Mike, for the nice writeup and the headsup on PUT2PROD and TCPIP. Our 5.4 level 2 test environment is not really there, unless our old 5.2 Level 2 is still lurking around. At least it is still in the directory. If it is, I suppose I can just DDR my 5.4 disks to the old 5.2 disks (if we st

Re: Applying Maintenance - Best Practice

2010-09-23 Thread Mike Walter
It's really up to you and your management's direction. If you only have one system to maintain, once you get the hang of it it's not really all that hard to: 1) apply all maintenance to the 2nd level test system, 2) IPL the 2nd level test system, 3) perform some cursory (or more stringent, depe

Re: Applying Maintenance - Best Practice

2010-09-23 Thread George Henke/NYLIC
I suppose RSU maintenance gets burned-in at Level 2, whereas COR maintenance goes right in to Level 1. But , what bout PSP COR? Level 1 or Level 2. Scott Rohling Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System 09/23/2010 10:58 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System To IBMVM@LISTSER

Re: Virtualizing a z10

2010-09-23 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 09/23/2010 at 10:27 EDT, "McKown, John" wrote: > If you are allowed to say, what particular z10+ only feature does 6.1 require? > We aren't a z/VM shop, so I've not perused the z/VM manuals, if the answer is > in there I apologize. No secret: It uses the PREFETCH DATA instructi

Re: Central vs. expanded storage

2010-09-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:36 PM, David Boyes wrote: >> (requires Crystal Ball Technology >> that we have not yet announced). > > Sorry for the delays in the speed-of-light upgrades. Barring further > interference from the future, you should have a prototype to play with two > weeks from the 11th

Re: Applying Maintenance - Best Practice

2010-09-23 Thread Scott Rohling
I'd say it depends on the purpose of your 2nd level system.Do what you would normally do when applying maintenance... do you put it on 1st or 2nd level first? If your 2nd level system is meant to be a z/VM 'test' system, then it seems like you're already committed to that level of effort. S

Re: Central vs. expanded storage

2010-09-23 Thread David Boyes
> (requires Crystal Ball Technology > that we have not yet announced). Sorry for the delays in the speed-of-light upgrades. Barring further interference from the future, you should have a prototype to play with two weeks from the 11th of last November...8-) -- db PS -- It's a *joke*, son. 8-)

Applying Maintenance - Best Practice

2010-09-23 Thread George Henke/NYLIC
Would you recommend putting this 5.4 zEnterprise compatibility maintenance on at Level 1 or Level 2. We currently have both environments for 5.4. I suppose the quickest and easiest (maybe dirtiest too?) way is just to put it on at Level 1 and fall back to CPOLD if there is a problem. "Best pra

Re: Virtualizing a z10

2010-09-23 Thread McKown, John
If you are allowed to say, what particular z10+ only feature does 6.1 require? We aren't a z/VM shop, so I've not perused the z/VM manuals, if the answer is in there I apologize. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richl

Re: Virtualizing a z10

2010-09-23 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 09/21/2010 at 04:42 EDT, "O'Brien, Dennis L" wrote: > z10's were available quite awhile before z/VM 6.1.0 was. I'd find it hard to > believe that the z/VM lab didn't have a real z10 to test 6.1.0 on. I suspect > there was a time when they emulated a z10 on a z9, but to my knowle

Re: Central vs. expanded storage

2010-09-23 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:14 AM, O'Brien, Dennis L wrote: > I heard from a couple of performance people at SHARE that we should have 20% > to 25% of the total storage in an LPAR configured as expanded storage.   > Naturally, that's a guideline and the proper amount varies by workload.  What > sh