Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-02 Thread Jon Brock
"Rabbit season!" "Manager season!" "Rabbit season!" "Manager season! Shoot! Shoot!" Jon IT managers generally run about 30-35 cents a pound, and about 12 miles per hour, top speed. They're usually in season from August through October, with the young ones appearing in April or May. The

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-02 Thread Dave Jones
delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 09:02 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] New mainframe redbook Well, we certainly se

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Shimon Lebowitz
On 1 Aug 2006 at 22:34, Adam Thornton wrote: > > "Man, it sucks to be you," said the fat lion. "I went to White > Plains. I ate an IBM Middle Manager a day, and no one ever even > noticed." In the Israeli version of that story, the lion was caught when he ate The person in charge of m

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Adam Thornton
On Aug 1, 2006, at 9:39 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 03:14 AST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Sell" an IT manager. How much do they go for these days??? When are they "In Season"??? What is the "Bag Limit"??? IT managers generally run about 30-35 cents a pound, and about 12

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 03:14 AST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > "Sell" an IT manager. > > How much do they go for these days??? > When are they "In Season"??? > What is the "Bag Limit"??? IT managers generally run about 30-35 cents a pound, and about 12 miles per hour, top speed. They

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread pfa
/VM Operating System To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: New mainframe redbook On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 01:36 EST, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, I see where you're heading with this. It's a much bigger project > than what I was proposing doing

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Jack Woehr
David Boyes wrote: If we can agree on an outline and a timeframe, then that'll be a lot quicker than getting IBM to create a project for this. I volunteer write the intro chapter, "Why Unix Weenies Should Care About VM". -- Jack J. Woehr # "Men never do evil so completely and

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Jim Vincent
> Ah, flattered to be included in that list of fine VM folks. However, > I'm running around like a chicken without its head these days. Be > careful what you ask for - build it they will come - and then they won't > go away! I think it was way easier being a less important o/s fighting > for sur

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Marcy Cortes
m [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 09:02 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] New mainframe redbook Well, we certainly seem to have enough "David"s will to contribute...now we need some Bartons, Reeds, Romneys, Alans, Robs, Ma

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread A. Harry Williams
to go. /ahw > >Mike Walter >Hewitt Associates > > > > >"David Boyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" >08/01/2006 02:00 PM >Please respond to >"The IBM z/VM Operating System" > > > &

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 01:36 EST, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, I see where you're heading with this. It's a much bigger project > than what I was proposing doing with the z/OS Redbook. The z/OS Redbook is 700 pages and just scratches the surface of z/OS. It really is the basic

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Mike Walter
Was that "volumes 2 and 3 **through** 8"!? %-)~ Mike Walter Hewitt Associates "David Boyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" 08/01/2006 02:00 PM Please respond to "The IBM z/VM Operating System" To IBMVM@L

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread David Boyes
I'm drafting a working outline for a community-published book to address some of this. Give me a day or so, and let's see if people are willing to sign up for pieces of it, and then we can plan volumes 2 and 3...8-) -- db > OK, I see where you're heading with this. It's a much bigger project > th

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Alan. OK, I see where you're heading with this. It's a much bigger project than what I was proposing doing with the z/OS Redbook. As Rob has suggested, having one or two authors per chapter, seemed to have worked well with the old VM/ESA Handbooks, and could do so here on the project as

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 8/1/06, Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Best Practices and System Programmer Tricks would be in vols. 2 and 3. :-) I think we already have a few volunteers for doing the chapter on "How to order your PTF without getting tangled in the User Interface" ;-) I really enjoyed the "Han

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Kris Buelens
If time permits, I'd volunteer too. Surely vols 3 seems attractive to me. Kris, IBM Belgium, VM customer support > On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 10:58 EST, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Thanks interesting to hear, Alan. As you might infer, there seems to be > > some interest both s

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 10:58 EST, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks interesting to hear, Alan. As you might infer, there seems to be > some interest both some of the list membership to see such a Redbook > produced and are willing to donate some of their time and energy to make > i

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Dave Jones
;ll be a lot quicker than getting IBM to create a project for this. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:16 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU S

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Dave Jones
Thanks interesting to hear, Alan. As you might infer, there seems to be some interest both some of the list membership to see such a Redbook produced and are willing to donate some of their time and energy to make it happen. Can you tell us where this proposal stands? Is it related to the work

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread David Kreuter
ECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:16 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: New mainframe redbook How many customers do you need to offer to help before it can be made in to a formal project? I am also willing to contribute what I can to this

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 10:18 AST, "Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" > This book is the basis for the z/OS courses some higher-eds are > offering. I have started (in my "spare time") doing a z/VM > version of this, but I think we need a formal project for this. There is already a

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread David Boyes
t; Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:16 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: New mainframe redbook > > How many customers do you need to offer to help before it can be made in > to > a formal project? I am also willing to contribute what I can to this. > > /Thomas Kern > /301-903-2211

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Thomas Kern
How many customers do you need to offer to help before it can be made in to a formal project? I am also willing to contribute what I can to this. /Thomas Kern /301-903-2211 On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:34:32 -0500, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w rote: >"spare time" and "Jim Elliott" are phrases one

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Dave Jones
Hi, Jim. "spare time" and "Jim Elliott" are phrases one very seldom sees together in the same sentence;-) At least one other person, besides myself, has expressed interest in contributing to a new document. What do we need to do to get this made into a "formal" project? Have a good one

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-08-01 Thread Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Yesterday, IBM released an new Redbook entitled: "Introduction > to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics" > (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246366.html) > ... > It would be nice, imho, if IBM was to produce a similar Redbook > for z/VM. I would be willing to contribute to it Dave:

Re: New mainframe redbook

2006-07-28 Thread Jack Woehr
Dave Jones wrote: It would be nice, imho, if IBM was to produce a similar Redbook for z/VM. I would be willing to contribute to it Me too! -- Jack J. Woehr # "Men never do evil so completely and PO Box 51, Golden, CO 80402 # cheerfully as when they do it from http:/

New mainframe redbook

2006-07-28 Thread Dave Jones
Yesterday, IBM released an new Redbook entitled: "Introduction to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics" (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246366.html) I've downloaded and taken a quick look at it and it seems to be a very good introduction to the mainframe in general and z/OS in particular for