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>
> Interesting problem - a system in which 4 > 7. Surely there is a
>parallel universe somewhere ...
>
That use of "orthogonal" is common in computer science. Axes at right ang
les ("orthogonal") are
used to represent independent variables. These variables can be manipulat
ed independently. So in
this sense "orthogonal" and "independent" are similar. But in computer sc
ience they talk about
"orth
I feel very vindicated.
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On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:57:24 -0600, Adam Thornton
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>On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Brian Nielsen wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:57:31 -0600, Adam Thornton
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> I'll give you a dollar if you can show me a base in which 54 is more
>>> than t
On 3/8/07, Jim Bohnsack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
*I give up.
Don't... The books say "orthogonal" is about "a right angle" or the
product being zero. So I guess the dependency between model number and
the number of cylinders makes sense when you come from the right angle
;-)
Alan Altmark w
I'm glad that, as a struggling math major in college in the mid-60's, I
went into computers instead of trying to keep up with higher math such
as the number of cylinders on a disk. I thought that an orthogon was a
type of crooked 4-sided shape but Google says:
'*Orthogonal*' means mutually ind
On Wednesday, 03/07/2007 at 09:32 EST, "Bates, Bob [CCC-OT_IT]"
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> I was fixing an exec with this just yesterday and ran into the same
problem. I
> thought I had an easy solution those months ago by altering 3390-0A to
3390-3
> and 3390-0C to 3390-9. Then the 3390-27'
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Does Hercules emulate 2311's ??
On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Dave Wade wrote:
> Yes, its fine with smaller DASD. It will also emulate
> larger than normal FBA. However there are some issues
> with larger devices, when the file used to contain the
> image goes over 2GB.
N
> > We've just been honoring the 3390 all these years by trying to do things
> > they would have done them. Had FBA been more popular at the time of the
> > real 3390's, we might be seeing 3350 mod 81's instead.
Maybe that would be 3370 mod 81? Or 9336 model something?
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, David
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> Does Hercules emulate 2311's ??
>
>
Yes, its fine with smaller DASD. It will also emulate
larger than normal FBA. However there are some issues
with larger devices, when the file used to contain the
image goes over 2GB.
__
On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:18:14 -0800, Schuh, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
:
>Guess it should have been a problem involving a 3 digit number with 0
>for the middle digit. Then, a base of -17 would be equivalent to a base
>of +17.
True, but that doesn't mean there's no solution.
Are you willin
Send it to him via e-mail :-)
Regards,
Richard Schuh
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On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:00
On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:18 AM, Schuh, Richard wrote:
Guess it should have been a problem involving a 3 digit number with 0
for the middle digit. Then, a base of -17 would be equivalent to a
base
of +17.
Well, now we know what base we're calculating in where 54 = 3 * 27,
which incidentally a
On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:00 AM, Brian Nielsen wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:57:31 -0600, Adam Thornton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'll give you a dollar if you can show me a base in which 54 is more
than two and a half times as big as 27.
A long time ago I read a mathematical paper on some inter
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:57:31 -0600, Adam Thornton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'll give you a dollar if you can show me a base in which 54 is more
>than two and a half times as big as 2
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:57:31 -0600, Adam Thornton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'll give you a dollar if you can show me a base in which 54 is more
>than two and a half times as big as 27.
Converting to mathematical terms:
j=54
k=27
n=2.5
You want j/k > n, where j and k are in base b.
Expressin
return maxcyl
end
if msg ^= '' then say msg
exit mrc
Regards,
Richard Schuh
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Right, there's the details query. But the issue is do those cyl values
make the monitor data so t
> How then do I have actual volumes on my system of 32,760 cyls.
> That's not divisible by 1113 (ds8000 here).
Marcy: Sorry, I was not clear. Allocation is in multiples of 1113
cylinders. You can make a volume whatever size you want, but if
it is not a multiple of 1113 cylinders, the remainder up
No, the 2311 "pack" was 7.25 MB. I may have some doc at home that has
some geometry info.
Jim
Tom Duerbusch wrote:
Wow...
9 MB per pack.
We'll never use it all .
And, they are demountable too.
Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting
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en that would read a table of addresses and
matching in the correct device type would be useful.
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That's what I think too. Mod 27 and Mod 54 don't exist. I just read
the ds8000 doc, yo
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That's what I think too. Mod 27 and Mod 54 don't exist. I just read
the ds8000 doc, you can choose 3390 Standard Mod 3, 3390 Standard Mod 9,
or 3390 Custom Volume.
Velocity, if
Does Hercules emulate 2311's ??
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Glad to know that other?s memorys work no bette
rch 06, 2007 4:19 PM
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The "mod 27" moniker was selected because the 32,760 size was "roughly"
three times a mod 9. The mod 54 is "roughly" three times the mod 27. It
would have been too hard to allocate a "3390 mo
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New m
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New math.
I'll give you a dollar if you can show me a base in which 54 is more than two
and a half times as big as 27.
Adam
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New math.
I'll give you a dollar if you can show me a base in which 54 is more
than two and a half times as big as 27.
Adam
On Mar 6, 2007, at 3:35 PM, RPN01 wrote:
New math.
I'll give you a dollar if you can show me a base in which 54 is more
than two and a half times as big as 27.
Adam
New math.
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On Mar 6, 2007, at 3:18 PM, RPN01 wrote:
The “mod 27” moniker was selected because the 32,760 size was
“roughly” three times a mod 9. The mod 54 is “roughly” three times
the mod 27.
Two times, I hope, or it woulda been a "mod 81", right? (And isn't
the 54 just less than 64Kcyls ?) Is t
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How then do I have actual volumes on my system of 32,760 cyls. That's
not divisible by 1113 (ds8000 here).
Marcy Cortes
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> That's what I think too. Mod 27 and Mod 54 don't exist. I just
> read the ds8000 doc, you can choose 3390 Standard Mod 3, 3390
> Standard Mod 9, or 3390 Custom Volume.
Marcy:
> On the DS8000 family, you can allocate any number of cylinders
> you want, but they must be in multiples of 1113 (a 33
That's what I think too. Mod 27 and Mod 54 don't exist. I just read
the ds8000 doc, you can choose 3390 Standard Mod 3, 3390 Standard Mod 9,
or 3390 Custom Volume.
Velocity, if you are listening, question, any way of seeing the cyl
counts in any of the screens for "custom" volumes?
Marcy Corte
3390 model 1, 3 and 9 were real devices that were the same except for the number of cylinders. After
RAID came along everyone stopped making real devices. Model 27 and 54 never existed. They were
emulated model 9's with more cylinders.
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Yes there are model 27 and 54 as w
Wow...
9 MB per pack.
We'll never use it all .
And, they are demountable too.
Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting
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Glad to know that other's memorys work no better than mine.
We should all switch to emulated 2311's and be done with it.
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Glad to know that other¹s memorys work no better than mine.
We should all switch to emulated 2311¹s and be done with it.
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so much for MY memory
David Boyes wrote:
the 3370 was CKD
the 3375 was FBA
and the 3380 was back to CKD
and the 3390 changed the bytes per track but stayed CKD
You've got the 3375 and 3370 reversed. 3375 was CKD.
> the 3370 was CKD
> the 3375 was FBA
> and the 3380 was back to CKD
> and the 3390 changed the bytes per track but stayed CKD
You've got the 3375 and 3370 reversed. 3375 was CKD.
The 3370 was FBA, we used them when I worked at Aldrich Chemical. The
3310 was also FBA.
William Munson wrote:
If I remember correctly
the 3370 was CKD
the 3375 was FBA
and the 3380 was back to CKD
and the 3390 changed the bytes per track but stayed CKD
all required conversion to move from o
On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Marcy Cortes wrote:
32760 on a mod 27. The 27 is to a 9 as the 9 is to a 3. :)
Not really. 3339 * 3 = 10017. 10017 * 3 = 30051 and 30051 <>
32760.
I think it was ICKDSF support when I reported a strange message that
said they were really all 9's, just o
> 32760 on a mod 27. The 27 is to a 9 as the 9 is to a 3. :)
Not really. 3339 * 3 = 10017. 10017 * 3 = 30051 and 30051 <> 32760.
I think it was ICKDSF support when I reported a strange message that
said they were really all 9's, just of different sizes Which kind of
goes along with wh
If I remember correctly
the 3370 was CKD
the 3375 was FBA
and the 3380 was back to CKD
and the 3390 changed the bytes per track but stayed CKD
all required conversion to move from or to.
Bill Munson
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Office of Information Technology
State of New Jersey
(609) 984-4065
President MVM
I used the 9332 and 9335. $DASD$ CONSTS mentions 3310 also.
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> We've j
> We've just been honoring the 3390 all these years by trying to do things
> they would have done them. Had FBA been more popular at the time of the
> real 3390's, we might be seeing 3350 mod 81's instead.
Had MVS been able to cope with FBA, rather. FBA was plenty popular with the
non-MVS crowd.
On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:53 AM, David Boyes wrote:
32760 on a mod 27. The 27 is to a 9 as the 9 is to a 3. :)
Now, if the mod 27 left Chicago traveling east at 54 mph for 9 hours,
and the mod 9 left Chicago traveling west at 3 mph for 21 hours, which
fish first needed the bicycle?
(Sorry. Never pos
> 32760 on a mod 27. The 27 is to a 9 as the 9 is to a 3. :)
Now, if the mod 27 left Chicago traveling east at 54 mph for 9 hours,
and the mod 9 left Chicago traveling west at 3 mph for 21 hours, which
fish first needed the bicycle?
(Sorry. Never post on antihistamines. It's all ever so surreal
t;
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32760 on a mod 27. The 27 is to a 9 as the 9 is to a 3. :)
MA
On 3/6/07, Ed Zell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > How many cylinders in a m
Yes there are model 27 and 54 as well as 1, 3 and 9.
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How many cylinders in a mod 9?
Is t
32760 on a mod 27. The 27 is to a 9 as the 9 is to a 3. :)
MA
On 3/6/07, Ed Zell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How many cylinders in a mod 9?
There are 10,017 cylinders on a 3390-9 (3339*3).
I am not sure about the other ones you mention.
Ed Zell
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> How many cylinders in a mod 9?
There are 10,017 cylinders on a 3390-9 (3339*3).
I am not sure about the other ones you mention.
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