Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-12-21 Thread Hans Rempel
Hi Larry. It is possible that the 2.4 vm system ddr does not support it. It does work on z/VM 3.1 and later DDR. For testing in your VM userid you must use LOADPARM and not PARM. I kept my tape volid so I had to IPL twice to get past the volid. The rest of the tape should then hold the DDR pro

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-12-21 Thread Pohlen (Mailinglist)
I don't know the method with AUTODDDA. Therefore I will tell you how I do it if necessary (hopefully not too often). The standalone method if you have no VM working: 1. Mount the tape containing the DDR IPL on a drive 2. on HMC IPL on the tape drive with LOADPARM where is the 4-digit de

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-12-20 Thread Larry Israel
Although we have IPLed our VM/ESA 2.4 on our 9672 using the HMC, I also need to know how to run a DDR restore. With a DDR tape that I had built with DDR at the front, followed by a full-pack dump after it, I could not get it to work under VM. With a tape at 181 and the disk pack attached at 521,

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-11-24 Thread Hans Rempel
just can't beat VM for making life at work easy. Hans Rempel -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: November 23, 2006 11:49 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4 >

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-11-24 Thread Rick Troth
[blush] I knew I was going to do that. Messed up on the MDISK statement syntax. When you're away from your tools ... the mind just fades. [sigh] But y'all get the idea. -- R;

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-11-24 Thread Rick Troth
Oh ... I always forget something ... Some may find it handy to leverage 1st level CMS disks. (You can always change this later and let 2nd level have its own CMS support disks.) For example, MAINT might have MDISK 190 MNT190 0 END RR ALL -or- MDISK 190 DEVNO 190 RR ALL

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-11-24 Thread Rick Troth
Lately, I've been IPLing second level CP from a recomp CMS minidisk. So much easier to set-up. Still needs a CP formatted volume to run, but I find that I can DIRECTXA to that before booting second level. So in this case, the IPL vol (of the 2nd level system) is not CP owned, but yeah, the vol

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-11-24 Thread David Boyes
> >One major caution: be sure the volume you're doing this on is in the > >Offline_at_IPL in your production SYSTEM CONFIG; you don't want this > >directory "accidentally" coming online if something happens to the > >production volume that contains your normal CP directory. > > Sorry to disagree:

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-11-24 Thread Kris Buelens
>One major caution: be sure the volume you're doing this on is in the >Offline_at_IPL in your production SYSTEM CONFIG; you don't want this >directory "accidentally" coming online if something happens to the >production volume that contains your normal CP directory. Sorry to disagree: CP will neve

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-11-23 Thread David Boyes
> I therefore created a mini VM system with TCPIP started so that I could > restore it using this method and have an VM system that I could IPL. > > I did that a few years back. I'd can't remember off hand how that was > done. > Does anyone else remember? This is a good thing to do. (in fact, I'l

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-11-23 Thread Hans Rempel
f Of Larry Israel Sent: November 23, 2006 4:51 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4 Thank you for all the responses. The consensus is to try to find used controllers. The FLEXCUB solution is more elegant and versatile, but we have no xSeries machines ly

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-11-23 Thread Larry Israel
Thank you for all the responses. The consensus is to try to find used controllers. The FLEXCUB solution is more elegant and versatile, but we have no xSeries machines lying around, and are looking for a cheap solution. By the way, I understand that even if we can get our system to load via the H

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-10-27 Thread Gary Eheman
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:37:39 +0200, Larry Israel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >This is a request to you archaeologist. Well, "Software Archaeology" happens to be a trademark of my employer. Consider checking out our FLEXCUB product (Control Unit Behavior) which could easily handle your 3274

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-10-26 Thread Kris Buelens
System To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4 You can IPL VM2.4 to the SYSTEM_CONSOLE instead of a 3270 console. Your SYSTEM_CONSOLE is the HMC's System Messages window ( a sort of line-mode/tty interface, not full-screen 3270). At an

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-10-26 Thread Edward M. Martin
Hello Larry, The easiest, cheapest, most reliable is to buy a 3174. Here is a price from a local dealer. Heck Buy two and keep one for backup. Scrape them when you are done. CONTROLLERS-DOLLARS - 3174-01L-$650 3174-11L-$650 Ed Ma

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-10-26 Thread David Boyes
Probably the cheapest solution is to buy a used 3174-11L and decommission the 3274s. Used price is less than $1K USD (heck, I've got one I'll give to you if you want to ship it there), and it's not worth the effort to try to figure out another solution for that little $$$. If the 3174s are properly

Re: IPL Help for old 9672 with VM/ESA 2.4

2006-10-26 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
You can IPL VM2.4 to the SYSTEM_CONSOLE instead of a 3270 console. Your SYSTEM_CONSOLE is the HMC's System Messages window ( a sort of line-mode/tty interface, not full-screen 3270). At anytime you can force the VM IPL to the SYSTEM_CONSOLE by typing SYSC in the LOADPARM field of the HMC LOAD wi