On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:30:08PM -0500, John McKown wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Edward M Martin wrote:
>
> > I would suggest to you all, IBM LAWYERS are now watch everyone
> > involved with this Hercules conversation.
> > I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
>
Thank-you Jim you have given me a definite answer.
Now I know it pointless talking to the procurement team about going down
this path.
- Original Message -
From: "Jim Elliott, IBM"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:03:59 +1000, Graeme Moss
wrote:
>The company I work for is very tight with money (eg they don't pay me wh
at I
>would like to receive) and the section I work for (Software Factory) onl
y
>gets hand-me-down mainframes. I can see the situation arising where our
>clients who
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Adam Thornton
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:59 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
On Jul 29, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Edward M Martin wrote:
> Hello Adam,
>
>
On Jul 29, 2009, at 1:50 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
I seem to recall it being mentioned somewhere that after the PSI
debacle IBM
amended the license terms to specifically prohibit the use of zVM
under
Emulation of any kind thus closing this loophole.
Even if it's on the same processor? That
On Jul 29, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Edward M Martin wrote:
Hello Adam,
I can say that I was told, in no uncertain terms, from IBM
that it is illegal to run VM/ESA and up under Hercules.
That was a while back, and things may have changed but I have
never
seen anything to the contrary.
Martin
Aultman Health Foundation
330-363-5050
ext 35050
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Adam Thornton
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:26 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
On Jul 28
> -Original Message-
> From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
> Behalf Of Adam Thornton
> Sent: 29 July 2009 02:26
> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
> Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
>
> On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:32 PM, John McK
On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Graeme Moss wrote:
The company I work for is very tight with money (eg they don't pay
me what I would like to receive) and the section I work for
(Software Factory) only gets hand-me-down mainframes. I can see the
situation arising where our clients who are on a
On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:32 PM, John McKown wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Adam Thornton wrote:
On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Edward M Martin wrote:
I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
under Hercules, 2) they do not like it, and 3) they do not have any
sense of hu
>> We are licensed to run z/VM 5.x on our z9. I do not believe there is a
>> restriction that it must be the host system in a lpar thus running lpar
>> -> vm -> linux -> hercules -> vm is quite legal. I am trying to asertain
>> should I bother going to our procurment people to ask them to talk to I
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Adam Thornton wrote:
> On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Edward M Martin wrote:
>
> >
> > I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
> > under Hercules, 2) they do not like it, and 3) they do not have any
> > sense of humor.
>
> Perfectly fine to run it und
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Edward M Martin wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I would suggest to you all, IBM LAWYERS are now watch everyone
> involved with this Hercules conversation.
>
> I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
> under Hercules, 2) they do not like it, and
>>> On 7/28/2009 at 6:03 PM, Graeme Moss wrote:
> We are licensed to run z/VM 5.x on our z9. I do not believe there is a
> restriction that it must be the host system in a lpar thus running lpar ->
> vm -> linux -> hercules -> vm is quite legal. I am trying to asertain should
> I bother going
> -Original Message-
> From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
> Behalf Of Rob van der Heij
> Sent: 28 July 2009 22:26
> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
> Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Ma
July 29, 2009 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
Hello Everyone,
I would suggest to you all, IBM LAWYERS are now watch everyone
involved with this Hercules conversation.
I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
under Hercules, 2) they do not like it, and 3) they
nt leap for mankind". -- Neil
Armstrong, 20 July 1969, Sea of Tranquility
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf
Of Dave Jones
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 14:44
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBMVM] z/VM 6.1 and Her
But I think that's the real problem here, you can not license z/VM 6.1
on a z9 processor, so in effect you would be running unlicensed software
(z/VM 6.1) on an unsupported system (z9->Linux->Hercules->z/VM 6.1).
And, as Rob has pointed out, performance would in all likelihood be
perfectly hor
On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Edward M Martin wrote:
I can say that, 1) it is illegal to run z/VM (pick a version)
under Hercules, 2) they do not like it, and 3) they do not have any
sense of humor.
Perfectly fine to run it under Hercules on the processor z/VM is
licensed to.
Adam
/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
The company I work for is very tight with money (eg they don't pay me
what I
would like to receive) and the section I work for (Software Factory)
only
gets hand-me-down mainframes. I can see the situation arising where our
clients who are on a z10 will want z/VM 6.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Mark Post wrote:
On 7/28/2009 at 5:03 PM, Graeme Moss wrote:
> -snip-
>> Questions
>> 1/ Do you think z/VM 6.1 could be installed under Hercules under Linux on a
>> z9 ?
>
> Most likely it would work.
Re-reading the original question, it appears that OP is
> -Original Message-
> From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
> [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Graeme Moss
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:04 PM
> To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
> Subject: z/VM 6.1 and Hercules on Z9
>
> The company I work for is very t
>>> On 7/28/2009 at 5:03 PM, Graeme Moss wrote:
-snip-
> Questions
> 1/ Do you think z/VM 6.1 could be installed under Hercules under Linux on a
> z9 ?
Most likely it would work.
> 2/ Do you think IBM would allow it since it is not production?
Absolutely not. If someone from IBM finds out,
The company I work for is very tight with money (eg they don't pay me what I
would like to receive) and the section I work for (Software Factory) only
gets hand-me-down mainframes. I can see the situation arising where our
clients who are on a z10 will want z/VM 6.1 but the Software Factory only
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